Senior BJP Leader Uma Bharati: Narendra Modi is not a a good orator

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:15 pm

http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/narendra-modi-not-a-good-orator-like-atal-bihari-vajpayee-uma-bharti-502697?pfrom=home-lateststories

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:17 pm

Jhansi: The outspoken Uma Bharti of the BJP today talked about the oratorical skills of her party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and those of the man he wants to emulate, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. She found Mr Modi wanting.

"Vajpayee was a good orator. People say that there has been no orator like him in Indian politics. If you have paid attention then you would know that Modi is not a good orator. People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him," Ms Bharti said, while campaigning in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, from where she has been nominated by the BJP to contest the general election.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:40 pm

Ahmedabad/New Delhi: BJP Vice President Uma Bharti, who now considers Narendra Modi as a strong leader, who can tackle issues like terrorism and naxalism, had in 2011 called the Gujarat Chief Minister "Vinash Purush".

Dubbing Modi's development agenda as "farji (fake)", she had said, "Na Ram na roti, Gujarat ko dono hi na mile (Gujarat could neither find Ram nor bread)."

Accusing the media of indulging in "Modi's PR excercise", she had said, "Media ne gubbare me hawa bhar diya hai...isliye hawa bhi aapko (media) hi nikalni padegi. (It's the media that has inflated the balloon, and so it's you people (media persons) who have to deflate it.)."

Although she has retracted since then, but it is interesting to watch what she actually said.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AHD-exposed-uma-bharti-had-called-narendra-modi-vinash-purush-4307036-NOR.html

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:41 pm

Rashmun wrote:Ahmedabad/New Delhi: BJP Vice President Uma Bharti, who now considers Narendra Modi as a strong leader, who can tackle issues like terrorism and naxalism, had in 2011 called the Gujarat Chief Minister "Vinash Purush".

Dubbing Modi's development agenda as "farji (fake)", she had said, "Na Ram na roti, Gujarat ko dono hi na mile (Gujarat could neither find Ram nor bread)."

Accusing the media of indulging in "Modi's PR excercise", she had said, "Media ne gubbare me hawa bhar diya hai...isliye hawa bhi aapko (media) hi nikalni padegi. (It's the media that has inflated the balloon, and so it's you people (media persons) who have to deflate it.)."

Although she has retracted since then, but it is interesting to watch what she actually said.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AHD-exposed-uma-bharti-had-called-narendra-modi-vinash-purush-4307036-NOR.html

Vinash Purush can be translated as Mr Destruction

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:04 pm

rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:09 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

In fact this is an important development. It shows that infighting continues within the BJP and that Modi has not yet been able to stamp his authority on the BJP at the national level in the same way as he has done in Gujarat.If the BJP tally falls below 180 I expect Modi not to become the PM.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:11 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

In fact this is an important development. It shows that infighting continues within the BJP and that Modi has not yet been able to stamp his authority on the BJP at the national level in the same way as he has done in Gujarat.If the BJP tally falls below 180 I expect Modi not to become the PM.

it's like this. a man has committed first degree murder and you are ranting about his shoplifting!

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:14 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

In fact this is an important development. It shows that infighting continues within the BJP and that Modi has not yet been able to stamp his authority on the BJP at the national level in the same way as he has done in Gujarat.If the BJP tally falls below 180 I expect Modi not to become the PM.

it's like this. a man has committed first degree murder and you are ranting about his shoplifting!

This is not about Modi's oratorical deficiency; it is about the fact that he is still not an undisputed leader within the BJP. Advani was never a great orator and yet Uma Bharati never said something like this publicly about Advani, and that too just before the elections. Basically Uma is trying to cool the personality cult that Modi has been trying to build up with his followers comparing him to Lord Shiva, Goddess Durga, etc.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:16 pm

Rashmun wrote:Jhansi: The outspoken Uma Bharti of the BJP today talked about the oratorical skills of her party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and those of the man he wants to emulate, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. She found Mr Modi wanting.

"Vajpayee was a good orator. People say that there has been no orator like him in Indian politics. If you have paid attention then you would know that Modi is not a good orator. People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him," Ms Bharti said, while campaigning in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, from where she has been nominated by the BJP to contest the general election.

douchemun, you are a laughable clown with your head so far up your ass (that's probably hiding a few of my missing shoes). the strongest compliment anyone can pay a leader is in the very next sentence: [size=12.800000190734863]People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him[/size]

by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:20 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:21 pm

VARANASI: After a 'hate video' on 2002 Gujarat riots were circulated on Facebook, another video of Uma Bharati attacking BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi has been uploaded on social network.

An old video clip of Uma Bharati, perhaps at the time when she had floated her own political outfit, is being circulated through WhatsApp. It was also uploaded on Youtube with title "Narendra Modi Exposed By Uma Bharati", on March 13.

In the video, Uma Bharati describes Modi as "Vinash Purush" and mentions how she felt about the situation under which the Hindus and Muslims were living in Gujarat. Mentioning a trip to Gujarat, she says in the video that the Hindus in Gujarat actually were scared.

She has been shown as saying that "Gujarat is a fear-stricken state" and she solely held Narendra Modi accountable for such a "situation".

Uma goes on to say that Modi's facts about the GDP of Gujarat was a complete lie and in fact Gujarat's debt increased up to double in five years.

"That's why I call him "Vinash Purush" instead of "Vikaas Purush"," says Uma Bharati in the video.

It may be mentioned here that in November 2004, after criticizing LK Advani, Uma Bharati was suspended and later expelled from BJP, following which she floated her own political party named as Bharatiya Janshakti Party. She was re-inducted in the BJP on June 7, 2011.

Presently, she has been fielded from Jhansi seat for 2014 Lok Sabha elections.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Home/Lok-Sabha-Elections-2014/News/Uma-Bharatis-old-video-against-Narendra-Modi-creates-ripples/articleshow/32893343.cms

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:23 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:28 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Jhansi: The outspoken Uma Bharti of the BJP today talked about the oratorical skills of her party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and those of the man he wants to emulate, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. She found Mr Modi wanting.

"Vajpayee was a good orator. People say that there has been no orator like him in Indian politics. If you have paid attention then you would know that Modi is not a good orator. People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him," Ms Bharti said, while campaigning in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, from where she has been nominated by the BJP to contest the general election.

douchemun, you are a laughable clown with your head so far up your ass (that's probably hiding a few of my missing shoes). the strongest compliment anyone can pay a leader is in the very next sentence: People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him

Can you read hindi? If yes, read the last sentence of this article:

http://www.jagran.com/news/national-narendra-modi-not-a-good-orator-like-atal-bihari-vajpayee-uma-bharti-11200593.html?src=NN-TK

As you might see the article accepts the fact that Uma's statement about Modi is startling and has caused amazement since it is the kind of talk Congress leaders indulge in, not BJP leaders.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:28 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

yeah, ok. i'm sure the case is being held up in some dock somewhere waiting for a judge to be assigned. justice in india moves very slow indeed. do you even believe your own bullshit? I know you got a poorly developed amygdala but even you must wonder what that smell is that constantly accompanies you?

by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:30 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Jhansi: The outspoken Uma Bharti of the BJP today talked about the oratorical skills of her party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and those of the man he wants to emulate, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. She found Mr Modi wanting.

"Vajpayee was a good orator. People say that there has been no orator like him in Indian politics. If you have paid attention then you would know that Modi is not a good orator. People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him," Ms Bharti said, while campaigning in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, from where she has been nominated by the BJP to contest the general election.

douchemun, you are a laughable clown with your head so far up your ass (that's probably hiding a few of my missing shoes). the strongest compliment anyone can pay a leader is in the very next sentence: People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him

Can you read hindi? If yes, read the last sentence of this article:

http://www.jagran.com/news/national-narendra-modi-not-a-good-orator-like-atal-bihari-vajpayee-uma-bharti-11200593.html?src=NN-TK

As you might see the article accepts the fact that Uma's statement about Modi is startling and has caused amazement since it is the kind of talk Congress leaders indulge in, not BJP leaders.

can you comprehend english? read your own copy and paste job, I italicized, bolded & used large red font for ease of locating it.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:32 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

yeah, ok. i'm sure the case is being held up in some dock somewhere waiting for a judge to be assigned. justice in india moves very slow indeed. do you even believe your own bullshit? I know you got a poorly developed amygdala but even you must wonder what that smell is that constantly accompanies you?

Only a few days ago, one of the cases in which Narendra Modi is a direct accused reached the stage of being heard by the Gujarat High Court. Here is the link:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/zakia-jafri-moves-gujarat-high-court-over-sits-clean-chit-to-modi/article5800700.ece

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:37 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Jhansi: The outspoken Uma Bharti of the BJP today talked about the oratorical skills of her party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi and those of the man he wants to emulate, Atal Bihari Vajpayee. She found Mr Modi wanting.

"Vajpayee was a good orator. People say that there has been no orator like him in Indian politics. If you have paid attention then you would know that Modi is not a good orator. People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him," Ms Bharti said, while campaigning in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, from where she has been nominated by the BJP to contest the general election.

douchemun, you are a laughable clown with your head so far up your ass (that's probably hiding a few of my missing shoes). the strongest compliment anyone can pay a leader is in the very next sentence: People go to his rallies not to listen to his speech but to tell him that they want him to change this country and they stand by him

Can you read hindi? If yes, read the last sentence of this article:

http://www.jagran.com/news/national-narendra-modi-not-a-good-orator-like-atal-bihari-vajpayee-uma-bharti-11200593.html?src=NN-TK

As you might see the article accepts the fact that Uma's statement about Modi is startling and has caused amazement since it is the kind of talk Congress leaders indulge in, not BJP leaders.

can you comprehend english? read your own copy and paste job, I italicized, bolded & used large red font for ease of locating it.

Naturally she can't launch an all out attack on Modi since she is herself standing for Lok Sabha elections on a BJP ticket and she would get suspended or expelled from the BJP if she were to make a frontal assault on him. But what she can do, just a few days before the elections, is to cut Modi down to size and try and cool Modi's emerging personality cult. Her real views on Modi are given in the old video that is being circulated which is showing her slamming Modi and Modi's Gujarat I gave the link to the TOI article describing the video.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun -- you are the one posting irrelevant stuff. i don't think we should even be discussing modi's oratorical skills and other qualities. he is a mass murderer and hence not suitable to be PM. there ends the matter. nothing else needs to be said.

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

yeah, ok. i'm sure the case is being held up in some dock somewhere waiting for a judge to be assigned. justice in india moves very slow indeed. do you even believe your own bullshit? I know you got a poorly developed amygdala but even you must wonder what that smell is that constantly accompanies you?

Only a few days ago, one of the cases in which Narendra Modi is a direct accused reached the stage of being heard by the Gujarat High Court. Here is the link:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/zakia-jafri-moves-gujarat-high-court-over-sits-clean-chit-to-modi/article5800700.ece

The next date of hearing for this case in the Gujarat High Court is April 11:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-03-20/news/48402075_1_zakia-jafri-closure-report-clean-chit

It is strange that a person who is accused of being involved in a criminal conspiracy to commit murders, rapes, arson, etc. has a good chance of becoming PM. And we have a few dunces cheering such a person on to become PM even while his case is being heard by the Gujarat High Court ( after which no doubt the Supreme Court would also have to hear this case since the losing side would immediately appeal).

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:21 pm

मोदी के समर्थक इंसान नही किसि दैत्य की सेना के सिपाही लगते हैं!"

by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:47 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

weird how the centre ruling party with the entire might of govt machinery, sympathetic judiciary and every incentive to suppress modi cant seem to find anything to pin on him that's remotely close in the last 12 yrs and not for the lack of trying either.

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

yeah, ok. i'm sure the case is being held up in some dock somewhere waiting for a judge to be assigned. justice in india moves very slow indeed. do you even believe your own bullshit? I know you got a poorly developed amygdala but even you must wonder what that smell is that constantly accompanies you?

Only a few days ago, one of the cases in which Narendra Modi is a direct accused reached the stage of being heard by the Gujarat High Court. Here is the link:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/zakia-jafri-moves-gujarat-high-court-over-sits-clean-chit-to-modi/article5800700.ece

The next date of hearing for this case in the Gujarat High Court is April 11:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-03-20/news/48402075_1_zakia-jafri-closure-report-clean-chit

It is strange that a person who is accused of being involved in a criminal conspiracy to commit murders, rapes, arson, etc. has a good chance of becoming PM. And we have a few dunces cheering such a person on to become PM even while his case is being heard by the Gujarat High Court ( after which no doubt the Supreme Court would also have to hear this case since the losing side would immediately appeal).

I wouldnt be surprised if some asshole like you or your idol dogvijay pushes these cases hoping to tie up modi in courts. afterall such tactics are standard. doesnt prove anything other than to fools like you

by Guest Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:26 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

This has to do with the fact that the judicial process in India is very slow because there are too few judges handling too many cases. That is why even murder cases can go on for decades.

yeah, ok. i'm sure the case is being held up in some dock somewhere waiting for a judge to be assigned. justice in india moves very slow indeed. do you even believe your own bullshit? I know you got a poorly developed amygdala but even you must wonder what that smell is that constantly accompanies you?

Only a few days ago, one of the cases in which Narendra Modi is a direct accused reached the stage of being heard by the Gujarat High Court. Here is the link:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/zakia-jafri-moves-gujarat-high-court-over-sits-clean-chit-to-modi/article5800700.ece

The next date of hearing for this case in the Gujarat High Court is April 11:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-03-20/news/48402075_1_zakia-jafri-closure-report-clean-chit

It is strange that a person who is accused of being involved in a criminal conspiracy to commit murders, rapes, arson, etc. has a good chance of becoming PM. And we have a few dunces cheering such a person on to become PM even while his case is being heard by the Gujarat High Court ( after which no doubt the Supreme Court would also have to hear this case since the losing side would immediately appeal).

I wouldnt be surprised if some asshole like you or your idol dogvijay pushes these cases hoping to tie up modi in courts. afterall such tactics are standard. doesnt prove anything other than to fools like you

The case has been filed by Zakia Jafri, the widow of Ehsaan Jafri who was killed in the 2002 Guj riots. More about Ehsaan Jafri in this thread:

https://such.forumotion.com/t21807-narendra-modi-to-ehsaan-jafri-during-2002-guj-riots-you-are-on-your-own-jafri-save-yourself

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