How do you respond to Islamic terrorism?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Ya, just like the Godhra train burnings are conveniently forgotten when talking about 2002 riots.....just like the adamant stand of the muslims in giving away an old and abandoned mosque for the sentiments of millions of hindus who hold the place sacred (even when a brick by brick reconstruction of the mosque at a different location is suggested) when they talk about the desecration of the mosque. Talk about peaceful co-existance! If only they had given away the mosque and showed their magnanimity!

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Ya, just like the Godhra train burnings are conveniently forgotten when talking about 2002 riots.....just like the adamant stand of the muslims in giving away an old and abandoned mosque for the sentiments of millions of hindus who hold the place sacred (even when a brick by brick reconstruction of the mosque at a different location is suggested) when they talk about the desecration of the mosque. Talk about peaceful co-existance! If only they had given away the mosque and showed their magnanimity!

Even by the standards of the nonsense that is spouted on these Hindu Muslim threads, I have to say this argument about the mosque is particularly nonsensical.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Kinnera wrote:
Even by the standards of the nonsense that is spouted on these Hindu Muslim threads, I have to say this argument about the mosque is particularly nonsensical.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

Doesn't comment that you responded to in itself provide the explanation to your query.

truthbetold wrote:What are the strategies and tactics to eliminate the islamic terrorist threat to common man of the world?

1.  Go to war with states sponsoring/supporting terrorism. ex:  Afghan war

2.  Coordination among world nations

3.  Isolation of terrorist sponsoring nations such as Pakistan

4.  Counter Islamic propaganda of victimhood

5.  Within a country, set up national coordinating bodies like Homeland security (USA).  India is struggling to create a national body (NIA) because of central and state government disputes and distrust.

6.  Extensive, coordinated intelligence gatherings

7.  Educating people about how to identify possible threats and what to do if a threat is perceived.

8.  People's action through Gandhian methods to express their anger at terrorist acts. 

9.  Resolve prickly issues that cause tensions between people.

10. Drain the swamp. Make it difficult for the terrorist to create safe havens,  sympathetic smoke screens and pools of financial sources.

While the above list is not exhaustive, it is presented to initiate discussion.  Some items require more explanation and discussion.  We can get into detail as discussion progresses.

What other actions would you like to add? 

What actions you feel do not belong up here?

Do you believe fighting islamic terrorism is important or not? 

Can you provide examples of successful strategies from past experiences?

Kris wrote:

truthbetold wrote:What are the strategies and tactics to eliminate the islamic terrorist threat to common man of the world?

1.  Go to war with states sponsoring/supporting terrorism. ex:  Afghan war

2.  Coordination among world nations

3.  Isolation of terrorist sponsoring nations such as Pakistan

4.  Counter Islamic propaganda of victimhood

5.  Within a country, set up national coordinating bodies like Homeland security (USA).  India is struggling to create a national body (NIA) because of central and state government disputes and distrust.

6.  Extensive, coordinated intelligence gatherings

7.  Educating people about how to identify possible threats and what to do if a threat is perceived.

8.  People's action through Gandhian methods to express their anger at terrorist acts. 

9.  Resolve prickly issues that cause tensions between people.

10. Drain the swamp. Make it difficult for the terrorist to create safe havens,  sympathetic smoke screens and pools of financial sources.

While the above list is not exhaustive, it is presented to initiate discussion.  Some items require more explanation and discussion.  We can get into detail as discussion progresses.

What other actions would you like to add? 

What actions you feel do not belong up here?

Do you believe fighting islamic terrorism is important or not? 

Can you provide examples of successful strategies from past experiences?

# 2 through 7.

The response cannot be muddled and the "solutions" cannot be naïve like nation-building in war theaters to make countries come up to speed. The naivety in that is both in intent and viability of these grand designs for populations who have no concept or tradition of self-rule or self-questioning. With regard to #3, Pakistan's feet needs to be held to the fire on cracking down on terror networks with no leeway given. The outsourcing of the cracking down on the taliban thugs to Pakistan was one of the dumbest moves post 9-11. With a strengthened network to gather intel, when terrorist attacks happen, they should be countered with the objective of wiping out not just those cells that were immediately responsible but also their sponsors. If the stranglehold by these elements is broken, you may just see some loosening up in certain societies where people start speaking up which may catalyze changes. Ultimately, that change has to come from within. In the meantime, the rest of the world would be foolish if it doesn't protect itself.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

Kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Ya, just like the Godhra train burnings are conveniently forgotten when talking about 2002 riots.....just like the adamant stand of the muslims in giving away an old and abandoned mosque for the sentiments of millions of hindus who hold the place sacred (even when a brick by brick reconstruction of the mosque at a different location is suggested) when they talk about the desecration of the mosque. Talk about peaceful co-existance! If only they had given away the mosque and showed their magnanimity!

Even by the standards of the nonsense that is spouted on these Hindu Muslim threads, I have to say this argument about the mosque is particularly nonsensical.

Please explain why it is nonsensical.

1. Ownership of the property in question was being actively disputed in the courts and it is the Sangh Parivar that broke the law and resorted to violence breaking the first part of the phrase "peaceful coexistence."
   
   
2. The Muslims had no obligation to "give away" anything. They have just as much right to be treated as equal citizens of India as anyone else. They do not have to earn brownie points from you by being magnanimous to you.
   
   
3. If anyone was being "adamant" in that debate, it was the Sangh Parivar. If you have a house in the US that a Christian group comes and claims to be their land some 500 years ago, and they offer to relocate your house "brick-by-brick," I doubt you would be inclined to display magnanimity. If they bulldoze your house despite your objections, then it is likely that you think you were treated as a second-class citizen in your own country.
   
   
4. India as a constitutional republic came into being in 1950. Its constitution does not provide for correcting historical wrongs perpetrated by one religious group on another centuries ago. People who violate the constitution and take the law into their own hands are the ones guilty of violating "peaceful coexistence," not people who petition the courts and the executive to protect their property.
   

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

How do you rationalize the BJP's unwillingness to do anything about the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir while they ruled India?

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Please explain why it is nonsensical.

Let me count the ways:

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[*]If anyone was being "adamant" in that debate, it was the Sangh Parivar. If you have a house in the US that a Christian group comes and claims to be their land some 500 years ago, and they offer to relocate your house "brick-by-brick," I doubt you would be inclined to display magnanimity. If they bulldoze your house despite your objections, then it is likely that you think you were treated as a second-class citizen in your own country.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Please explain why it is nonsensical.

Let me count the ways:

1. If anyone was being "adamant" in that debate, it was the Sangh Parivar. If you have a house in the US that a Christian group comes and claims to be their land some 500 years ago, and they offer to relocate your house "brick-by-brick," I doubt you would be inclined to display magnanimity. If they bulldoze your house despite your objections, then it is likely that you think you were treated as a second-class citizen in your own country.
   

Wrong example. Are you saying that Muslims are foreigners who immigrated to India and built their Babri Masjid ?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Wrong example. Are you saying that Muslims are foreigners who immigrated to India and built their Babri Masjid ?

Indian Muslims have been living in India far longer than Kinnera has been living in the US. So if anything, Indian Muslims have stronger grounds for outrage in this situation than Kinnera would if a Christian group bulldozed her house.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
If the Livermore hindu temple had been built on a native american land after destroying their holy place, the curts would have ruled against hindus and the hindu temple would be raced to the ground and they will have absolutely no rights to argue about the temple.

Now that is the right example.

FluteHolder wrote:None will work. The OIC is some 100+ countries with 1.5 billion population and many powrful countrues - Grypt, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Indnesia, Pakis, etc. The non muslim countries have to get tough and show no mercy - except for the minorities to practice their religion with bans on convertion - and unifrm law. Essentially keep the iSlamis under cntrol. Either you cntrol them or they control you. 


Let the OIC fight and kill each other on their own.
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We can all talk/discuss from our own comfort zones. We can never feel the pain or understand until it affects us directly. It is not our kin/relative gets killed/injured nor none of us will be facing the hardships the ordinary citizens go thru. 
Wonder how Singapore is dealing this problem. They deal it very firmly like the dealt the riots recently?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

We are still waiting for your comments on the newslink/pictures about Kashmiri Pandit refugee camps North of Delhi after cleansed out of Kashmir by its muslims.

How do you rationalize the BJP's unwillingness to do anything about the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir while they ruled India?

Dont think that I am all 100% enamored with BJP. I am hoping that Modi is just controlling his words and he will do smething about it as it is his nature.  Notice how Rajnath is harping all the time that "all are equal" song.  I am reasonably sure that Modi will set right the wrongs - somewhat. All depends on how many seats the BJP wins.

the previous BJP govt could hardly do anything per its wishes as it was dependent on the allies. It was a necessity to dance with JD-U, BJD, TDP. if it had done anything at all to to make the "vote-bank" angry, the allies would have pulled down the Govt.

Hope the BJP gets a mjority on its own....(even then there are plenty of recent party hoppers" let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
If the Livermore hindu temple had been built on a native american land after destroying their holy place, the curts would have ruled against hindus and the hindu temple would be raced to the ground and they will have absolutely no rights to argue about the temple.

Now that is the right example.

Here is a newsflash for you. This entire country is built on Native American land. All of it. Including every single church, temple, and mosque in the land.

truthbetold wrote:What are the strategies and tactics to eliminate the islamic terrorist threat to common man of the world?

1.  Go to war with states sponsoring/supporting terrorism. ex:  Afghan war

2.  Coordination among world nations

3.  Isolation of terrorist sponsoring nations such as Pakistan

4.  Counter Islamic propaganda of victimhood

5.  Within a country, set up national coordinating bodies like Homeland security (USA).  India is struggling to create a national body (NIA) because of central and state government disputes and distrust.

6.  Extensive, coordinated intelligence gatherings

7.  Educating people about how to identify possible threats and what to do if a threat is perceived.

8.  People's action through Gandhian methods to express their anger at terrorist acts. 

9.  Resolve prickly issues that cause tensions between people.

10. Drain the swamp. Make it difficult for the terrorist to create safe havens,  sympathetic smoke screens and pools of financial sources.

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how about the strategy that the US has pursued so far? take a side based on the exigencies presented by any given situation and then deal with the fall out decades later with "shock and awe" pretending to have forgotten the original intervention never happened. it seems to have worked fabulously well.

Ya, just like the Godhra train burnings are conveniently forgotten when talking about 2002 riots.....just like the adamant stand of the muslims in giving away an old and abandoned mosque for the sentiments of millions of hindus who hold the place sacred (even when a brick by brick reconstruction of the mosque at a different location is suggested) when they talk about the desecration of the mosque. Talk about peaceful co-existance! If only they had given away the mosque and showed their magnanimity!

Even by the standards of the nonsense that is spouted on these Hindu Muslim threads, I have to say this argument about the mosque is particularly nonsensical.

Please explain why it is nonsensical.

Let me count the ways:

1. Ownership of the property in question was being actively disputed in the courts and it is the Sangh Parivar that broke the law and resorted to violence breaking the first part of the phrase "peaceful coexistence."
   
2. The Muslims had no obligation to "give away" anything. They have just as much right to be treated as equal citizens of India as anyone else. They do not have to earn brownie points from you by being magnanimous to you.
   
3. If anyone was being "adamant" in that debate, it was the Sangh Parivar. If you have a house in the US that a Christian group comes and claims to be their land some 500 years ago, and they offer to relocate your house "brick-by-brick," I doubt you would be inclined to display magnanimity. If they bulldoze your house despite your objections, then it is likely that you think you were treated as a second-class citizen in your own country.
   
4. India as a constitutional republic came into being in 1950. Its constitution does not provide for correcting historical wrongs perpetrated by one religious group on another centuries ago. People who violate the constitution and take the law into their own hands are the ones guilty of violating "peaceful coexistence," not people who petition the courts and the executive to protect their property.
   

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Dont think that I am all 100% enamored with BJP. I am hoping that Modi is just controlling his words and he will do smething about it as it is his nature.  Notice how Rajnath is harping all the time that "all are equal" song.  I am reasonably sure that Modi will set right the wrongs - somewhat. All depends on how many seats the BJP wins.

the previous BJP govt could hardly do anything per its wishes as it was dependent on the allies. It was a necessity to dance with JD-U, BJD, TDP. if it had done anything at all to to make the "vote-bank" angry, the allies would have pulled down the Govt.

Hope the BJP gets a mjority on its own....(even then there are plenty of recent party hoppers" let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Hmmm.. you are already predicting Gujarat style riots.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Dont think that I am all 100% enamored with BJP. I am hoping that Modi is just controlling his words and he will do smething about it as it is his nature.  Notice how Rajnath is harping all the time that "all are equal" song.  I am reasonably sure that Modi will set right the wrongs - somewhat. All depends on how many seats the BJP wins.

the previous BJP govt could hardly do anything per its wishes as it was dependent on the allies. It was a necessity to dance with JD-U, BJD, TDP. if it had done anything at all to to make the "vote-bank" angry, the allies would have pulled down the Govt.

Hope the BJP gets a mjority on its own....(even then there are plenty of recent party hoppers" let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Hmmm.. you are already predicting Gujarat style riots.

Are you already predicting muslims will burn another train?  If the muslims assume the right to initiate bmb/killing then the victim will decide what kind of punishment to give t the perpetrators - isn't it Shariat laws?   Hope Modi implements UCC or expand muslim personal law to Shariat criminal laws for muslims.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Dont think that I am all 100% enamored with BJP. I am hoping that Modi is just controlling his words and he will do smething about it as it is his nature.  Notice how Rajnath is harping all the time that "all are equal" song.  I am reasonably sure that Modi will set right the wrongs - somewhat. All depends on how many seats the BJP wins.

the previous BJP govt could hardly do anything per its wishes as it was dependent on the allies. It was a necessity to dance with JD-U, BJD, TDP. if it had done anything at all to to make the "vote-bank" angry, the allies would have pulled down the Govt.

Hope the BJP gets a mjority on its own....(even then there are plenty of recent party hoppers" let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Hmmm.. you are already predicting Gujarat style riots.

Are you already predicting muslims will burn another train?  If the muslims assume the right to initiate bmb/killing then the victim will decide what kind of punishment to give t the perpetrators - isn't it Shariat laws?   Hope Modi implements UCC or expand muslim personal law to Shariat criminal laws for muslims.

Dude, who brought up 2 decade old Kasmhir Pundit issue (as a precursor I presume) in this thread, and whose specialty is raking-up some old unproven shit to rile up half-baked fanatical chaddi brains.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Dont think that I am all 100% enamored with BJP. I am hoping that Modi is just controlling his words and he will do smething about it as it is his nature.  Notice how Rajnath is harping all the time that "all are equal" song.  I am reasonably sure that Modi will set right the wrongs - somewhat. All depends on how many seats the BJP wins.

the previous BJP govt could hardly do anything per its wishes as it was dependent on the allies. It was a necessity to dance with JD-U, BJD, TDP. if it had done anything at all to to make the "vote-bank" angry, the allies would have pulled down the Govt.

Hope the BJP gets a mjority on its own....(even then there are plenty of recent party hoppers" let us wait and see. We waited fr 60 years and only shyt happened.why not wait for 6 years?

Hmmm.. you are already predicting Gujarat style riots.

Are you already predicting muslims will burn another train?  If the muslims assume the right to initiate bmb/killing then the victim will decide what kind of punishment to give t the perpetrators - isn't it Shariat laws?   Hope Modi implements UCC or expand muslim personal law to Shariat criminal laws for muslims.

Dude, who brought up 2 decade old Kasmhir Pundit issue (as a precursor I presume) in this thread, and whose specialty is raking-up some old unproven shit to rile up half-baked fanatical chaddi brains.

hahahaha...you are now upset....you are angry....if people can drag 10 yr old stories and 50 yr old story and 1000 yr old story, then it is fine to dig up 20 year old story?  why shouldn't one ? bcz it involves Hindus ?  

you did not answer my question....are the muslims planning to burn the next train? Then karma will decide the fate. who are we to predict/decide anything ?