Would civilian protests across Muslim world help dilute ISIS

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:32 pm

and minimize its influence? one flaw with this kind of thinking is with lumping all of them and assuming muslims across the world are one big homogeneous group. Wonder if an Indian Muslim would a have special feelings towards a Nigerian Muslim bcz of religion.

by Guest Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:43 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:and minimize its influence? one flaw with this kind of thinking is with lumping all of them and assuming muslims across the world are one big homogeneous group. Wonder if an Indian Muslim would a have special feelings towards a Nigerian Muslim bcz of religion.

Yeah, i think so.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:and minimize its influence? one flaw with this kind of thinking is with lumping all of them and assuming muslims across the world are one big homogeneous group. Wonder if an Indian Muslim would a have special feelings towards a Nigerian Muslim bcz of religion.

Of course not... not at all.. That is why the moderate, civilians across the muslim world dont protests against ISIS. ISIS is neither kafir or infidels. Protesting against ISIS is against iSlam as it will be talking against fellow family members.

They know very well that muslim protests in non-muslim world - peaceful protests such as bus burning, temple burning and kafir/infidel killing - will work only against serious issues like Quron burning in US or conversion of a muslim woman in India.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:05 pm

Token protests and man mohan singh like robot condemnations do not do any one any good. As muslims begin to realize that medieval obscurantist societal values will hinder their progress and their children will be left behind in a ever changing world. those groups of muslims have to slowly turn off oxygen for ISIS. What that means is making small democractic advances in different parts of muslim world to create an alternate vision to wahabi/isis type medieval vision. The progressive and forward looking muslims have to fight and destroy isis type forces internal to islam. They have to shed brutal islam and rewrite the cultural code to compromise with democracy and progress. So far muslim intellectuals failed to overcome these negative forces and I agree it is very difficult. But they do not have a choice. They have to kill the monster culture with in islam.

by Kris Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:Token protests and man mohan singh like robot condemnations do not do any one any good. As muslims begin to realize that medieval obscurantist societal values will hinder their progress and their children will be left behind in a ever changing world. those groups of muslims have to slowly turn off oxygen for ISIS. What that means is making small democractic advances in different parts of muslim world to create an alternate vision to wahabi/isis type medieval vision. The progressive and forward looking muslims have to fight and destroy isis type forces internal to islam. They have to shed brutal islam and rewrite the cultural code to compromise with democracy and progress. So far muslim intellectuals failed to overcome these negative forces and I agree it is very difficult. But they do not have a choice. They have to kill the monster culture with in islam.

>>>Logically, yes, but not when critical thinking is crowded out with an uncompromising ideology that is hell-bent on vilifying the 'other'. The progressives have an uphill battle on their hands to free themselves from this theocratic mindset. The other choice is to up and leave. A Pakistani doctor whom I met on the plane back from Singapore told me of his personal torment in making the decision to move back to the US where he had lived previously. It is apparently much, much more stifling than we think.

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:37 pm

truthbetold wrote:Token protests and man mohan singh like robot condemnations do not do any one any good. As muslims begin to realize that medieval obscurantist societal values will hinder their progress and their children will be left behind in a ever changing world. those groups of muslims have to slowly turn off oxygen for ISIS. What that means is making small democractic advances in different parts of muslim world to create an alternate vision to wahabi/isis type medieval vision. The progressive and forward looking muslims have to fight and destroy isis type forces internal to islam. They have to shed brutal islam and rewrite the cultural code to compromise with democracy and progress. So far muslim intellectuals failed to overcome these negative forces and I agree it is very difficult. But they do not have a choice. They have to kill the monster culture with in islam.

Who do you think is impacted the most by ISIS, Chrsitians, Yazidis or Muslims? Who is taking them on, Muslims or Christians?

by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:23 pm

Do Muslims Worldwide Need To Condemn ISIS Killing?

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/journalist-james-foley-isis-beheading-killing-muslim-condemnation/53f21d3afe34440c7b00047f

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:34 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Do Muslims Worldwide Need To Condemn ISIS Killing?

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/journalist-james-foley-isis-beheading-killing-muslim-condemnation/53f21d3afe34440c7b00047f

hahaha... this is like your courtesy criticism that means nothing. How about demonstrating, looting, fatwaing, excommuncating these ISIS terrorists? How about convening an OIC emergency meeting and enforce a blockade of the ISIS controlled area and send an OIC armada to supervise the border, etc..etc..etc..

Notice that YOU have not criticized STILL...how much money did you send to the ISIS for their Jehad?

by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:43 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Do Muslims Worldwide Need To Condemn ISIS Killing?

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/journalist-james-foley-isis-beheading-killing-muslim-condemnation/53f21d3afe34440c7b00047f

hahaha... this is like your courtesy criticism that means nothing. How about demonstrating, looting, fatwaing, excommuncating these ISIS terrorists? How about convening an OIC emergency meeting and enforce a blockade of the ISIS controlled area and send an OIC armada to supervise the border, etc..etc..etc..

Notice that YOU have not criticized STILL...how much money did you send to the ISIS for their Jehad?

Saamiyaar, as usual you're making a fool of yourself. Watch the video before shooting your mouth off

by Kris Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:13 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Do Muslims Worldwide Need To Condemn ISIS Killing?

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/journalist-james-foley-isis-beheading-killing-muslim-condemnation/53f21d3afe34440c7b00047f

>>>I am not able to open the link for some reason. If the question were asked generally along the lines of 'do people of a religion need condemn the bad elements in their religion to gain credibility?', I would say 'no'. In the case of Islam, I would have to say 'yes', politically incorrect as it may seem. The reason is both due to theocracy and pragmatism. Of all the religions, this seems to be the one faith that goes out of its way to divide the world as believer vs. non-believer in its day- to- day affairs and makes a point of unity under the religion. In practical terms, we are too far down the road in terms of terrorist incidents in various parts of the world to keep asking everyone to overlook these as being due to some misguided elements. This is especially due to condemnations of these acts being rather muted from Islamic societies. They are of course free to not do that, but can't expect to be seen as credible by the global public without that.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:30 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Do Muslims Worldwide Need To Condemn ISIS Killing?

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/journalist-james-foley-isis-beheading-killing-muslim-condemnation/53f21d3afe34440c7b00047f

hahaha... this is like your courtesy criticism that means nothing. How about demonstrating, looting, fatwaing, excommuncating these ISIS terrorists? How about convening an OIC emergency meeting and enforce a blockade of the ISIS controlled area and send an OIC armada to supervise the border, etc..etc..etc..

Notice that YOU have not criticized STILL...how much money did you send to the ISIS for their Jehad?
Saamiyaar, as usual you're making a fool of yourself. Watch the video before shooting your mouth off

Watched for 3 min and that was enough to see they were just parroting the usual BS we hear from you, your ILK, and the iSlamo-apologists.

Lord resistance, abortion bombers do not go about carrying out their acts in MUSLIM/Hindu countries and threatening people WORLDWIDE. Bush did not bomb the entire world in the name of Jesus. But, the Muslims terrorists carry out killings in the name of Allah throughout the world and threatening specifically non-muslims to convert and be killed.And, it isl the duty of the muslims to police and take care of their "family" problem so that their people dont kill OTHER people. If muslims kill muslims it is Ummah business. But they kill non-muslims, and who they think are non-muslims. They also kill muslims who criticize them but they conside the critics as traitors.

by Merlot Daruwala Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:15 am

truthbetold wrote:Token protests and man mohan singh like robot condemnations do not do any one any good.

That's right. Until a couple of buses are burnt in Hyderabad or Mumbai, much stones thrown and a few glass windows broken, nothing good can come out of it.

truthbetold wrote:As muslims begin to realize that medieval obscurantist societal values will hinder their progress and their children will be left behind in a ever changing world. those groups of muslims have to slowly turn off oxygen for ISIS.

Can you please elaborate on how say, Turkish or Indian Muslims, could accomplish this?

truthbetold wrote:What that means is making small democractic advances in different parts of muslim world to create an alternate vision to wahabi/isis type medieval vision.

Ah. You mean like the glorious onset of liberty in Egypt, Libya (and underway at Syria) etc? Ya..sure. That's what will choke the ISIS fo sho.

truthbetold wrote:The progressive and forward looking muslims have to fight and destroy isis type forces internal to islam.

Yes yes..organize a candle light march right away.

truthbetold wrote:They have to shed brutal islam and rewrite the cultural code to compromise with democracy and progress.

How does a progressive Muslim shed brutal Islam? And rewrite cultural codes? Even some high level guidelines on how to carry out these recommendations would be very helpful.

truthbetold wrote:So far muslim intellectuals failed to overcome these negative forces and I agree it is very difficult. But they do not have a choice. They have to kill the monster culture with in islam.

Very kind of you to concede it is very difficult. Please show some more kindness by educating those Muslim intellectuals across the world on how exactly they can kill the monster culture.

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