Mysterious Origin of Tamil Language

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

I think what they are trying to say is that Tamil/Malayalam might be linguistically closer to Finnish than to Hindi. However, having some common words does not mean much in my opinion if the grammar is totally different. The common words could have come about through various reasons like trading.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

I think what they are trying to say is that Tamil/Malayalam might be linguistically closer to Finnish than to Hindi. However, having some common words does not mean much in my opinion if the grammar is totally different. The common words could have come about through various reasons like trading.

It seems the SI language specialists (from south India) trying to establish the links between their languages (especially Tamil and Malayalam) and the European languages unnecessarily overlook and bypass the north Indian region and languages (Hindi etc.) which happen to be geographically (for land based routes) situated between south India and Europe and therefore can't be easily ignored.

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

I think what they are trying to say is that Tamil/Malayalam might be linguistically closer to Finnish than to Hindi. However, having some common words does not mean much in my opinion if the grammar is totally different. The common words could have come about through various reasons like trading.

It seems the SI language specialists (from south India) trying to establish the links between their languages (especially Tamil and Malayalam) and the European languages unnecessarily overlook and bypass the north Indian region and languages (Hindi etc.) which happen to be geographically (for land based routes) situated between south India and Europe and therefore can't be easily ignored.

not just europe:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

I think what they are trying to say is that Tamil/Malayalam might be linguistically closer to Finnish than to Hindi. However, having some common words does not mean much in my opinion if the grammar is totally different. The common words could have come about through various reasons like trading.

It seems the SI language specialists (from south India) trying to establish the links between their languages (especially Tamil and Malayalam) and the European languages unnecessarily overlook and bypass the north Indian region and languages (Hindi etc.) which happen to be geographically (for land based routes) situated between south India and Europe and therefore can't be easily ignored.

not just europe:

Of course, that is consistent with the following, the knowledge (Veda and the languages including Sanskrit and others) flowing out of India to other places / countries than only the other way around, 
http://creative.sulekha.com/about-the-origins-of-vedas-and-sanskrit-including-aryan-invasion-theory_591513_blog

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

Telugu was traditionally clubbed with Dravidian languages. Interestingly, Both Telugu and Malayalam are heavily influenced by Sanskrit. A Sanskrit scholar can follow most of Telugu and Malayalam and an educated Malayalam and Telugu speaker can follow Sanskrit. I wonder if a Hindi speaking BIMARU bhaiyya or a Tamil speaking follower of Periyar can follow Sanskrit (Sanskrit words get butchered in Hindi to an extent that they sound quite different and Tamil doesn't have too many Sanskrit words).

Krishnamurthi's views on the Indo-European origin of Telugu are controversial. Telugu speaking coastal region was heavily influenced by Sanskrit. Telugu of Telangana doesn't have as many Sanskrit words in it; may be, they speak original Telugu)

Incidentally, Hindi is, relatively, a recent language. Comparing it with any of the SI languages is like comparing apples and oranges.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

Telugu was traditionally clubbed with Dravidian languages. Interestingly, Both Telugu and Malayalam are heavily influenced by Sanskrit. A Sanskrit scholar can follow most of Telugu and Malayalam and an educated Malayalam and Telugu speaker can follow Sanskrit. I wonder if a Hindi speaking BIMARU bhaiyya or a Tamil speaking follower of Periyar can follow Sanskrit (Sanskrit words get butchered in Hindi to an extent that they sound quite different and Tamil doesn't have too many Sanskrit words).

Krishnamurthi's views on the Indo-European origin of Telugu are controversial. Telugu speaking coastal region was heavily influenced by Sanskrit. Telugu of Telangana doesn't have as many Sanskrit words in it; may be, they speak original Telugu)

Incidentally, Hindi is, relatively, a recent language. Comparing it with any of the SI languages is like comparing apples and oranges.

The real problem is with the south Indians in the past few centuries believing too much, more than the north Indians, in the European-started Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) and thinking themselves and their languages as Dravidian (which they believe are different from the north Indians and north Indian languages, so called Aryan / Indo-European according to the AIT). 

Fortunately, now the Telugus, Malayalis and Kannadas have changed their stance about the AIT and they are believing less and less in it. They also are spending more time looking at their similarities with the the north Indian people and languages (Hindi etc.) and less time on the so called differences taught by the AIT (SIs being different from the NIs). But the same thing has not happened with respect to the Tamils who are still stuck in the AIT's time warp.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Telugu, spoken widely in Andhra Pradesh, on which the late Prof. B Krishnamurti researched in detail, is part of the Indo-European family. But the origin of Tamil, the language spoken by the southern neighbours, is still unclear.

It seems to have some relationship with, of all languages, Finnish, Hungarian and Basque. And Malayalam, which has commonality with Tamil, has several words common with Finnish; for example the words for basket (vatti in Malayalam, vatin in Finnish, batuya / vatuya for bag / purse in Hindi ), flower (puu, puu, phul in Hindi), house (kudi, koti, kutiya and kothi in Hindi). Here then is a puzzle waiting to be resolved by the next generation Krishnamurti on the proto-Tamil/Malayalam language.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/war-of-words-on-the-origin-of-words/article3836320.ece

Telugu was traditionally clubbed with Dravidian languages. Interestingly, Both Telugu and Malayalam are heavily influenced by Sanskrit. A Sanskrit scholar can follow most of Telugu and Malayalam and an educated Malayalam and Telugu speaker can follow Sanskrit. I wonder if a Hindi speaking BIMARU bhaiyya or a Tamil speaking follower of Periyar can follow Sanskrit (Sanskrit words get butchered in Hindi to an extent that they sound quite different and Tamil doesn't have too many Sanskrit words).

Krishnamurthi's views on the Indo-European origin of Telugu are controversial. Telugu speaking coastal region was heavily influenced by Sanskrit. Telugu of Telangana doesn't have as many Sanskrit words in it; may be, they speak original Telugu)

Incidentally, Hindi is, relatively, a recent language. Comparing it with any of the SI languages is like comparing apples and oranges.

The real problem is with the south Indians in the past few centuries believing too much, more than the north Indians, in the European-started Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) and thinking themselves and their languages as Dravidian (which they believe are different from the north Indians and north Indian languages, so called Aryan / Indo-European according to the AIT). 

Fortunately, now the Telugus, Malayalis and Kannadas have changed their stance about the AIT and they are believing less and less in it. They also are spending more time looking at their similarities with the the north Indian people and languages (Hindi etc.) and less time on the so called differences taught by the AIT (SIs being different from the NIs). But the same thing has not happened with respect to the Tamils who are still stuck in the AIT's time warp.

Rashmun wrote:
i myself continue to believe in the AMT (aryan migration theory); it is a sensible theory. It explains why the original sanskrit word for caste is varna, meaning color in sanskrit. In other words, the original caste based segregation was on the basis of difference in skin color. that is why upper caste hindus are, on average, more fair, than low caste hindus.