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Post by Guest Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:42 pm

I wish to know more about the beneficial aspects of Mughal rule in India in general. In fact, why focus only on mughals let us broaden the discussion to all muslim kings who ever ruled any region of India. This would include the Nawabs of Arcot (now in modern Tamil Nadu), the Nizams of Hyderabad, Tipu Sultan and Hyder Ali of Karnataka, etc.

Not just the cultural aspects like ghazals and mughlai food (kebabs, etc.) but things a little more substantial: for instance, were sudras and untouchables better off under muslim kings than under hindu kings?

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Post by rawemotions Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:30 pm

Lots of "Benefits"
Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai_Sultanate

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Ibn Batuta describes Ghiyasuddin Dhamgani's actions as:
“ the Hindu prisoners were divided into four sections and taken to each of the four gates of the great catcar. There, on the stakes they had carried, the prisoners were impaled. Afterwards their wives were killed and tied by their hair to these pales. Little children were massacred on the bosoms of their mothers and their corpses left there. Then, the camp was raised, and they started cutting down the trees of another forest. In the same manner did they treat their later Hindu prisoners. This is shameful conduct such as I have not known any other sovereign guilty of. It is for this that God hastened the death of Ghiyath-eddin.


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Post by Guest Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:59 pm

rawemotions wrote:Lots of "Benefits"
Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai_Sultanate

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Ibn Batuta describes Ghiyasuddin Dhamgani's actions as:
“ the Hindu prisoners were divided into four sections and taken to each of the four gates of the great catcar. There, on the stakes they had carried, the prisoners were impaled. Afterwards their wives were killed and tied by their hair to these pales. Little children were massacred on the bosoms of their mothers and their corpses left there. Then, the camp was raised, and they started cutting down the trees of another forest. In the same manner did they treat their later Hindu prisoners. This is shameful conduct such as I have not known any other sovereign guilty of. It is for this that God hastened the death of Ghiyath-eddin.


presumably Ghiyasuddin was killing people indiscriminately without regard to their religion. When Babur invaded India he had to face the Lodhi dynasty which was a muslim dynasty. Prior to the Lodhi dynasty there had been several other muslim dynasties. So it was not a hindu vs muslim fight as you are portraying it to be. it is well known that Ajatashatru killed the people of the Vajjian tribes (including women and children) and that Vidudabha massacred people belonging to the Sakya tribe. So atrocities were committed by everyone in ancient and medieval times.

Ajatashatru and Vidudabha killed their own fathers. Yet, budhist and jain kings hail Ajatashatru at least as a good king and an able administrator. so you see everything is relative. do not get too perturbed when you read up some scrap of history.

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Post by ashdoc Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:31 am

yes , but the general level of violence greatly increased after the islamic invasions .

the historian ferishta himself writes that when allauddin khilji's armies invaded the deccan , the people were completely dumbfounded by the mass massacres and wholesale destruction by the muslim armies . he says those people had never seen such cruelties before .

the reason is that hindus kings fought dharmayuddha . while hindu kings fought great battles , in nearby fields farmers calmly tilled the fields . thats because , by unwritten laws , generally hindu kings never indulged in pointless destruction , rape of women , and mass massacres .

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:48 am

Rashmun wrote:I wish to know more about the beneficial aspects of Mughal rule in India in general. In fact, why focus only on mughals let us broaden the discussion to all muslim kings who ever ruled any region of India. This would include the Nawabs of Arcot (now in modern Tamil Nadu), the Nizams of Hyderabad, Tipu Sultan and Hyder Ali of Karnataka, etc.

Not just the cultural aspects like ghazals and mughlai food (kebabs, etc.) but things a little more substantial: for instance, were sudras and untouchables better off under muslim kings than under hindu kings?

Why don't you just google for the 1000s of post you made on mughals on CH leading you to suffer from Mugalitis and awarded the grand title "Rashmunullah Akbar Jehadi ?"

Stop blabbering the same crap over and over just to seek attention and come across as some intellectual.

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Post by Guest Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:51 am

ashdoc wrote:yes , but the general level of violence greatly increased after the islamic invasions .

the historian ferishta himself writes that when allauddin khilji's armies invaded the deccan , the people were completely dumbfounded by the mass massacres and wholesale destruction by the muslim armies . he says those people had never seen such cruelties before .

the reason is that hindus kings fought dharmayuddha . while hindu kings fought great battles , in nearby fields farmers calmly tilled the fields . thats because , by unwritten laws , generally hindu kings never indulged in pointless destruction , rape of women , and mass massacres .

http://rashmun.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/03/a-philosophical-analysis-of-certain-aspects-of-indian-3.htm

http://rashmun.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/03/a-philosophical-analysis-of-certain-aspects-of-indian-2.htm

http://rashmun.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/03/a-philosophical-analysis-of-certain-aspects-of-indian-1.htm

http://rashmun.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/03/a-philosophical-analysis-of-certain-aspects-of-indian.htm

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Post by Guest Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:55 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:I wish to know more about the beneficial aspects of Mughal rule in India in general. In fact, why focus only on mughals let us broaden the discussion to all muslim kings who ever ruled any region of India. This would include the Nawabs of Arcot (now in modern Tamil Nadu), the Nizams of Hyderabad, Tipu Sultan and Hyder Ali of Karnataka, etc.

Not just the cultural aspects like ghazals and mughlai food (kebabs, etc.) but things a little more substantial: for instance, were sudras and untouchables better off under muslim kings than under hindu kings?

Why don't you just google for the 1000s of post you made on mughals on CH leading you to suffer from Mugalitis and awarded the grand title "Rashmunullah Akbar Jehadi ?"

Stop blabbering the same crap over and over just to seek attention and come across as some intellectual.

are you only capable of showering personal insults or are you also capable of invoking historical facts to make your point?

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:07 am

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Why don't you just google for the 1000s of post you made on mughals on CH leading you to suffer from Mugalitis and awarded the grand title "Rashmunullah Akbar Jehadi ?"

Stop blabbering the same crap over and over just to seek attention and come across as some intellectual.

are you only capable of showering personal insults or are you also capable of invoking historical facts to make your point?

I can teach once, twice, and even 3 times to dumb idiots.... but not 20 times to someone who has psychological problems of repeating the same things.

Now show off your intelligence (and put your foot in your mouth - yet again)

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Post by Guest Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:23 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Why don't you just google for the 1000s of post you made on mughals on CH leading you to suffer from Mugalitis and awarded the grand title "Rashmunullah Akbar Jehadi ?"

Stop blabbering the same crap over and over just to seek attention and come across as some intellectual.

are you only capable of showering personal insults or are you also capable of invoking historical facts to make your point?

I can teach once, twice, and even 3 times to dumb idiots.... but not 20 times to someone who has psychological problems of repeating the same things.

Now show off your intelligence (and put your foot in your mouth - yet again)

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Post by FluteHolder Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:58 am

http://anupamamandan.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/11/i-am-afraid-because-i-am-hindu.htm

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