A different approach to fixing Sulekha CH -- will this work?

I would like to test an idea for how CH can overcome the current divisions and benefit from the progress that we have made on this site in the last week.

First let us establish a few facts.

1. Sulekha needs to fundamentally redesign its forum infrastructure in order to fix their HTML tag problems. They have already attempted a band-aid solution, and it failed spectacularly. They need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a different design.
   
2. Sulekha has never been good at moderating the site, and that is a plus point for its platform. Any new solution should be able to "manage itself" without admin intervention.
   
3. A different design will take time and money for Sulekha. Development dollars need to spent, and a new solution will take at least a few weeks to design, develop and test. In the meanwhile, the rift in the community continues with no end in sight.
   
4. This forum has taken just about 20 hours of my time over one week to set up. It is not rocket science to set something like this up.
   
5. This forum beats Sulekha CH on all technical considerations. The only area it falls short is in the fact that one user is admin, and has the ability to do things like delete posts, see email addresses, etc.
   

Now, here is a way Sulekha can very quickly solve its forum problem. Just adopt this forum as the official Sulekha CH. Take over from me as admin. (I will be happy to turn it over, provided some conditions are met, as stated below.) Redirect all traffic that comes in for forums.sulekha.com to this site. Over time, if they want to, they can also implement either phpBB3 or vBulletin on their own servers and provide this same interface. (Either option will cost them less than $1,000 -- much cheaper than spending programmer hours on fixing a creaking, broken forum.)

What is in it for Sulekha? Well, they get to retain a user base much of which has already left. Once they implement phpBB3 or vBulletin on their servers, they also get to keep ad revenues.

What is in it for the users of this forum? I can think of two benefits:

1. The concern that most users have about admin powers is taken care of. We return to the same situation we have with Sulekha CH -- no user has special powers (except those of appealing the the admins, which some of us do seem to have more of than others!)
   
2. It will get cross-traffic from Sulekha, which will help bring in newcomers and keep the forum going in the really long run.

Here are my tentative conditions for turning over admin to Sulekha. They need to make enforceable commitments to:

1. Never turn admin rights over to anyone.
   
2. Never take features away from users, or shut the forums down.
   
3. Never disclose any personal information about users to anyone.
   
4. Actively promote the forums on the rest of the Sulekha site (blogs, classifieds, movies, sports, news, etc.)
   
5. Maintain "archive access" to past discussions, through a link on this forum. The interface needs to be set back to what it was 10 days ago, so old posts don't get mangled upon retrieval.

These are the ones I can think of right now... there perhaps need to be a couple more.

What do you think of this proposal?

PS: My motivations for this are two-fold. First, a desire to drop the Ring of admin powers into the fires of Mount Doom. Second, a desire to alleviate the fears that my CH detractors have about a forum run by me.

you have become crazy. you are actually obsessed

- Sulekha Moderator.

charvaka wrote:What do you think of this proposal?

I was thinking sorta same, not exactly this forum, but at this point, he is better off taking over somethng already built and functioning. The overhaul from scratch will take up time and money.

The whole point is, how much will this help his business interests?

how do you plan on proposing this to satya? he seems to be a very recalcitrant fellow. what if he says i'll get back to you and never does? ok, we still have nothing to lose but still wondering aloud. i mean, we really don't know how important CH is for his business and he does not seem to be willing to share that info.

sake123 wrote:you have become crazy. you are actually obsessed

- Sulekha Moderator.

hello tulekha mod. how are you?

sake123 wrote:you have become crazy. you are actually obsessed

- Sulekha Moderator.

CEO with a Garden ? AKA Big Ugly Vulgar mouthed Fatso ?

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:how do you plan on proposing this to satya? he seems to be a very recalcitrant fellow. what if he says i'll get back to you and never does? ok, we still have nothing to lose but still wondering aloud. i mean, we really don't know how important CH is for his business and he does not seem to be willing to share that info.

I don't know. I first wanted to get the views of the members here. Once I have a good proposal, I can post it on old CH addressed to Satya. I am open to other suggestions. I have no idea if Satya cares much about CH. If he doesn't, this proposal is actually good for him -- really cheap and easy way to keep his traffic!

you have my support. to find out other members' views you can start a poll. or, you can just go ahead and make this proposal to sulekha. i do not think any member would mind this move -- it is constructive and harmless. plus we are not making any commitment to sulekha as of now.

p.s. we can have a poll right before we sign on the dotted line (if that moment comes).

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:you have my support. to find out other members' views you can start a poll. or, you can just go ahead and make this proposal to sulekha. i do not think any member would mind this move -- it is constructive and harmless. plus we are not making any commitment to sulekha as of now.

p.s. we can have a poll right before we sign on the dotted line (if that moment comes).

I'll wait a day or two to get more opinions -- particularly on what conditions we need to establish to ensure that the forum is protected in the long run after we turn it over to Sulekha.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

sake123 wrote:you have become crazy. you are actually obsessed

- Sulekha Moderator.

CEO with a Garden ? AKA Big Ugly Vulgar mouthed Fatso ?

Swamiji, what do you think of the idea to turn over teh admin to Sulekha and have this become the official Sulekha CH? Possible, not possible? Good idea or bad?

He is a businessman and might well agree...

Perhaps you should simply write to him...

When Uppili was new to CH, Satya office sent him an email saying he wanted to talk to Uppili. The hyper-secret that he was he did not want to be found out. So he replied saying he was not interested and would call Satya later if interested.

That arrogant and paranoid uppili. I think satya is a nice enough guy and might listen or at least respond.... best is for you to volunteer your cell number and agree to discuss.

There is no charge in sending him an email.

MS,

being a businessman has a role to play only if and whether CH has any role to play in his "business." we do not know why he is doing "band-aid treatment" to CH. is it to oblige -sandilya, PI and numerous friends who have emailed him or whether it's important to his business. his lack of seriousness does not seem to suggest that it is anyway important to his business.

that said, i think calling him on phone would be better -- it will be difficult for him to be evasive. if he only he told us, "guys, take a hint..." we would reconcile ourselves to the reality instead of making assumptions and presumptions (that we are doing now).

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:MS,

being a businessman has a role to play only if and whether CH has any role to play in his "business." we do not know why he is doing "band-aid treatment" to CH.

There could be a personal attachment to CH. After all, both he and Sangeeta both used to be there.

OTOH, if he realizes that he can save bucks and keep CH alive - some other place he might well agree to it. The alternative might be to spend a lot of money or CH on life support until everyone deserts it.

tell me what has he to lose ? After all, even Sulekha CH changed appearances a few times in the past. Whats one more time.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:tell me what has he to lose ? After all, even Sulekha CH changed appearances a few times in the past. Whats one more time.

i agree. he has nothing to lose and no investment to make either.

It doesn't hurt to put this forward to Satya. I don't know how involved he is in the day-to-day aspects of sulekha. This may be a reason why the CH took a turn for the worse. Nevertheless, he may still have a soft corner considering his role in the early days. I can vouch for the fact that he is logical and reasonable. I haven't spoken to him in awhile, but if he needs to get to a comfort level with you, feel free to use me as a reference, for whatever that may be worth.

The only problem with this forum is that one cannot have threaded discussions. i recall u talking about this once.

Rashmun wrote:The only problem with this forum is that one cannot have threaded discussions. i recall u talking about this once.

you don't need a threaded format to sustain a long discussion (that carries on over weeks/years). see this for example:

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/334-first-war-of-independence-1857/

or

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1838-sarasvati-civilization/

This is not a good idea. To continue Cro-Magnon's abusive husband analogy, this is like getting a new home, free and clear of the old husband, living there with freedom for a week and then talking about turning over the keys of the new home to the old abusive husband.

Sulekha (and Satya Prabhakar) have not shown any commitment to the message board and its members during the 3+ (?) years that I have been coming to Sulekha. Some of you old timers may have known Satya personally in the old days. He and his wife might have participated on the message board in the old days. But those are the old days. How long ago are we talking? Last decade? Last century? Sulekha's management has proven to be technically incompetent in managing the message board. Plus, not only do they display garish, browser-raping ads, they also allow spammers to post unchecked. One of the ads on Sulekha actually tried to install some trojan on a computer with IE6 that happened to use some day last year. I don't want to continue listing the negatives of Sulekha to people who know the facts better than I do.

These negatives far outweigh the benefits listed by Charvaka. In fact, I don't even see how passing on the admin role to Sulekha and Satya Prabhakar is any better than Charvaka remaining the admin. As far as I am concerned, Satya is a total stranger to me. I know at least a little bit about Charvaka.

The second benefit mentioned was cross-traffic from the rest of Sulekha. New comers signing up for our forum is a once in a blue moon type event. In the past 3 years that I have been visiting Sulekha, I have not seen too many new people come to the message board from the rest of Sulekha. I don't want to turn over this message board to Sulekha just for the sake of that rare new member signing up. We don't need to make this message board a part of Sulekha to induce new people to join us. We can occasionally post links to this forum on Sulekha's message board, blogs and other carefully chosen desi forums on the rest of the Internet. Our personal marketing efforts plus Google ranking should bring plenty of new members to this board.

Regarding the conditions mentioned by Charvaka in the original post above, how are we going to enforce them? If Sulekha takes charge of this board, how can we stop them from making small and big changes that we don't like? These are not enforceable conditions. So, they cannot be considered as a major factor in this decision.

Ultimately, for me, Charvaka retaining admin powers vs Sulekha taking over this site is a choice between two evils. I personally feel that the former is a far lesser evil than the latter. The former will continue to be a far lesser evil as long as new members can register to this forum using throw away email options like http://10minutemail.com and the admin cannot see the members' IP addresses.

Charvaka,

We shouldn't do something that might turn into a worse situation, just because you want to wash your hands off admin powers.

We agreed yesterday that we would let this board run for a few days without you exercising any admin options or even logging in as admin. Let's continue this board without even thinking that you are an admin and that you should give up the responsibility to somebody else.

If we learn that we can continue running this board without any admin intervention, we can come up with other imaginative ways to resolve the admin question than gifting this board to Sulekha.

S P

SomeProfile wrote:Charvaka,

We shouldn't do something that might turn into a worse situation, just because you want to wash your hands off admin powers.

We agreed yesterday that we would let this board run for a few days without you exercising any admin options or even logging in as admin. Let's continue this board without even thinking that you are an admin and that you should give up the responsibility to somebody else.

If we learn that we can continue running this board without any admin intervention, we can come up with other imaginative ways to resolve the admin question than gifting this board to Sulekha.

S P

Thanks for your detailed response. The intent of my post was to get the views of the people here. I have never known Satya myself, so I do have some reservations about "giving the keys" to him. I think I will put this idea in cold storage for now. It's not like being admin is a heavy burden at this point -- I haven't even logged in as admin in the last two days, and I am going to see how long I can keep it that way (even beyond the one week we talked about.) If we ever need to talk about admin powers again, this can be one of the ideas on the table.

EDIT: The other thing that prompted my original post was serious worries about Sulekha making the original interface worse. Already they have made a change that makes most old discussions impossible to read (by breaking all formatting tags.) If they continue to make the old CH worse (for retrieving old discussions), we may lose much of "lore" of this group. That need not be a bad thing, but just something that worried me yesterday and prompted this whole idea.

Carvaka, i would expect you to don your admin hat if this board is hit by any spams and also by extreme obscenity--for instance the posting of pornographic pictures or videos. It is in fact for the reason of constant monitoring that it may not be a bad idea for Sulekha to take over this board providing they give assurances to all the conditions you have specified. But my feeling is that Satya will not agree to Sulekha taking over this board and will try to fix CH--perhaps create CH again from scratch-- and hope that the old timers return. Personally i have to say that i like the threaded discussions format better.

The creation of this board was a very good thing to do for Sulekha since it had become too complacent. I recall the days when i exchanged emails with Sangeeta and she told me how she treated CH almost like a baby. Even at nights they would be up seeing whether any posts contained vulgar/pornographic content. Even extreme abusive language would not be tolerated and often posts were deleted or edited because of extreme abusive content; occasionally handle banning took place because of this reason. Old timers were of course given a fair bit of leeway and could often get away with harsh exchanges upto a limit. I recall also Satya making a plea on CH that posters should post using only a single handle.

charvaka wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:Charvaka,

We shouldn't do something that might turn into a worse situation, just because you want to wash your hands off admin powers.

We agreed yesterday that we would let this board run for a few days without you exercising any admin options or even logging in as admin. Let's continue this board without even thinking that you are an admin and that you should give up the responsibility to somebody else.

If we learn that we can continue running this board without any admin intervention, we can come up with other imaginative ways to resolve the admin question than gifting this board to Sulekha.

S P

Thanks for your detailed response. The intent of my post was to get the views of the people here. I have never known Satya myself, so I do have some reservations about "giving the keys" to him. I think I will put this idea in cold storage for now. It's not like being admin is a heavy burden at this point -- I haven't even logged in as admin in the last two days, and I am going to see how long I can keep it that way (even beyond the one week we talked about.) If we ever need to talk about admin powers again, this can be one of the ideas on the table.

EDIT: The other thing that prompted my original post was serious worries about Sulekha making the original interface worse. Already they have made a change that makes most old discussions impossible to read (by breaking all formatting tags.) If they continue to make the old CH worse (for retrieving old discussions), we may lose much of "lore" of this group. That need not be a bad thing, but just something that worried me yesterday and prompted this whole idea.

charvaka wrote:I think I will put this idea in cold storage for now.

as poster harharmahadev pointed out in another thread, such groups (like ours) normally do not sustain beyond 6 months. i don't know the rationale behind it but statistics are against us. if we merge with sulekha, i think, this will not happen.

having said that, whether we merge with sulekha are not, is not really important right now. we still have six months.

despite my strong committment to stay away friom sulekha, i have to admit that, in retrospect, what attracted me to the site was it's threaded type discussions. that format was unique to sulekha. i don't see that format ever coming back to life. what we have, here, is the only choice. but i have given one, among many, reason why we may lose members eventually. running a bb is not easy. yesterday i spent some time in anothersubcontinent.com after a long time. i noticed that arnab was struggling with the latest version of invision. traffic at his site had fallen to an abysmal low. the star participants had left the site (but they had left earlier). elsewhere harharmahadev had to close his bb after many years of operating it for lack of traffic. so there is reason to be cautious and sceptical. by merging with sulekha we cut our risks, though, to my mind, the idea is purely theoretical and i don't think sulekha will ever agree to it. but we have other alternatives too -- merging with desichatter or anothersubcontinent. we should evaluate all such options in due course and not be gung ho about this forum. the other alternative is to do nothing. frankly, both alternatives are good. my thoughts are very ambivalent about this issue. but what i'd like to underscore is that we should not get stressed out about this subject -- better to wait and watch now for what we have already done is quite a lot.

edit. typos

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:having said that, whether we merge with sulekha are not, is not really important right now. we still have six months.

Agree.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:what attracted me to the site was it's threaded type discussions. that format was unique to sulekha. i don't see that format ever coming back to life. what we have, here, is the only choice.

Please check your notes.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:by merging with sulekha we cut our risks, though, to my mind, the idea is purely theoretical and i don't think sulekha will ever agree to it. but we have other alternatives too -- merging with desichatter or anothersubcontinent. we should evaluate all such options in due course and not be gung ho about this forum.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:but what i'd like to underscore is that we should
not get stressed out about this subject -- better to wait and watch now
for what we have already done is quite a lot.

Completely agree. Let's keep our options open, including the one of handing the forum over to Sulekha. We don't need to decide right now.

Rashmun wrote:But my feeling is that Satya will not agree to Sulekha taking over this board and will try to fix CH--perhaps create CH again from scratch-- and hope that the old timers return. Personally i have to say that i like the threaded discussions format better.

I hope he creates a brand-new CH with most of the features we have here + threaded view. I would be inclined to move to that if he does so. Also, please check your notes.

Rashmun wrote:The creation of this board was a very good thing to do for Sulekha since it had become too complacent. I recall the days when i exchanged emails with Sangeeta and she told me how she treated CH almost like a baby. Even at nights they would be up seeing whether any posts contained vulgar/pornographic content. Even extreme abusive language would not be tolerated and often posts were deleted or edited because of extreme abusive content; occasionally handle banning took place because of this reason. Old timers were of course given a fair bit of leeway and could often get away with harsh exchanges upto a limit. I recall also Satya making a plea on CH that posters should post using only a single handle.

Thanks for that... I didn't realize CH was an actively moderated site in its early days! Now that I think about it, threads used to be deleted for just one abusive post, even in 2006.

They created a set of moderators during the early 2000s, and I was one of those moderators . Of course, I would take offense only when someone dragged or abused family member or gave away personal info. I never received any guidelines by Sulekha. I blocked or deleted probably less than 5 posts in all. But, there were some others who used to delete posts, for unexplainable reasons.

That system disappeared - I think when they changed their format around 2004.

uppili aka m.samiyar - would you have considered banning hellsangel? just curious.

I dont think Uppili would have banned....(I am just guessing his mindset). Bcz the information was out from the net. Besides, it was still circumstantial - but with good certainty. nevertheless circumstantial. Also, outing of a female identity is more worrisome. I am trying to remember someone whose identity was outted. But cannot recall....strongly believe someone's was outted.

CH is/was sensitive and respectful of individual privacy - to a very large extent.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
CH is/was sensitive and respectful of individual privacy - to a very large extent.

I agree.. a couple of times I have asked them to kill a thread in which there was some personal info, or in case of NN's thread, and they would delete those threads right away...

I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote: Also, outing of a female identity is more worrisome.

why so?

Aww I looked into sulekha for the first time today, nice to see kripamaya crusading against the killer all on her own.... tough woman, that one. Wish she could join us, but I am honestly done asking anyone there... they somehow feel too smug and it seems like even if they were thinking of joining, requests by us make them feel further that they should hold back...

Carvaka, I agree with you on Maria... maybe partly her resentment that no one joined her earlier... or it may be just that, she prefers to be a leader and not a happy follower, like she wants to make us believe all the time....

Actually I was sure she was reading these threads, as I had given the 'flattery' reference here, and soon I saw her referring the 'flattery' stuff indirectly to seven, like her style is... and then she KNOWS very well that you are the admin, coz she read those posts, she still took cheap shots at people here, and then denied it point blank, saying she doesn't even know carvaka's role in this, and she has no idea what's going on... ended up making ME feel like a total fool in that interaction.

From this whole thing, one thing I am sure... like SP says he's glad he doesn't know me in real life, I can say it must be hard living close to Maria. She's a toughie, and not exactly consistently righteous either like she wants people to believe she is.

Tracy Whitney wrote:A
Carvaka, I agree with you on Maria... maybe partly her resentment that no one joined her earlier... or it may be just that, she prefers to be a leader and not a happy follower, like she wants to make us believe all the time....

I have heard this mentioned more than once and I am curious.
What "revolt" was this? Against what? Details?

I remember 3 years ago, someone had done this 'study' on Maria (at least that's what I thought he was doing, coz I enjoyed observing this as a newcomer)... at any random given time of the day he would post a 'Maria' thread... and out of the blue she would come over and post a giddy reply... didn't matter what time or the day it was, or what time of the week it was, and didn't matter if she wasn't responding on anything for the rest of the day.....he would get a reply within 2-3 hours, if not sooner...

And then she claims she doesn't know what's going on on CH...

*yeah I am feeling extra bytchy today, gotta tame this soon, or else I will carry the attitude into Monday*

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Really?. Where are these sensitive CHers? I would like to meet them and have kapi with them.

Yes, I am sure all of us are educated and working people but that hasn't stopped anyone from behaving in the most unethical and juvenile fashion - some have openly revealed personal information, some have hinted at it under a cloak of "ethical behaviour", some others have been cheerleading the "revealers" and others justify using personal information in arguments saying it was "public" anyway.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the esteemed folks who do "information sharing" through notes and private messages.

blabberwock wrote:What "revolt" was this? Against what? Details?

I don't remember the details. Back in 2009, I received a note from Maria with a link to a Twitter group; she talked about drifting away from CH. I have never liked Twitter, so I didn't join that group. (I still haven't ever "tweeted" in my life.) I do remember that there was a really stupid stalker who used to harass her all the time; Jauhari was the name of one of his handles. I think Sulekha eventually banned them all, and the abuse finally stopped. What I don't remember for sure is whether Maria's drifting away coincided in time with that stalking, but I remember thinking it did.

[quote="charvaka]I don't remember the details. Back in 2009, I received a note from Maria with a link to a Twitter group; she talked about drifting away from CH. I have never liked Twitter, so I didn't join that group. (I still haven't ever "tweeted" in my life.) I do remember that there was a really stupid stalker who used to harass her all the time; Jauhari was the name of one of his handles. I think Sulekha eventually banned them all, and the abuse finally stopped. What I don't remember for sure is whether Maria's drifting away coincided in time with that stalking, but I remember thinking it did.[/quote]

At the time I wanted to take a break too from the whole bnp/qb/farty onslaught too, so I joined twitter, and it was nice actually... harmless chatter with many others who I didn't know, except tiana, anetra, maria, and I believe Shaken... we all began posting again in sulekha, after a month or so, but continued on twitter, which eventually slowed down then ended... I do remember when she had come back, almost none of the regulars had welcomed her back, and carried on as BAU, and she had felt hurt that people here were so unwarm and unwelcomy.

I was also testing out one forum, don't remember the name, and had invited her, and she had joined too... but I myself lost interest in it in 2 days and deleted it.

Based on that history, I had thought that she would join here soon enough. Specially when people are welcoming her..

There is one big difference in revolt of then and revolt of now, from what I gather from her posts... At the time she was probably abandoning other mean ch'ers... but this time it somehow has become a matter of abandoning sulekha itself.... dunno what her rationale is but this seems like a different case, and hence a reason for her showing her 'loyalty'?

blabberwock wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Really?. Where are these sensitive CHers? I would like to meet them and have kapi with them.

Dear Blabberoo,

I am a douchebag about 67.25% of the time. But I can be warm, sensitive and even romantic when we have kapi together. Deal? Please send me your personal info by pm.

Waiting with great expectations,

S P

Tracy Whitney wrote:
From this whole thing, one thing I am sure... like SP says he's glad he doesn't know me in real life, I can say it must be hard living close to Maria. She's a toughie, and not exactly consistently righteous either like she wants people to believe she is.

For me, Maria is one of the scarier women on Sulekha. She is insecure and passive-aggressive. One of the more dangerous personality trait combos in women. I still remember the time she threw a tantrum because a thread about tambram food became the hot topic of the day on Sulekha and she couldn't participate in that thread because she didn't seem to know much about that cuisine. The scary thing was that she took it so personally and interpreted that thread to mean people deliberately snubbing others out.

SomeProfile wrote:

blabberwock wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Really?. Where are these sensitive CHers? I would like to meet them and have kapi with them.

Dear Blabberoo,

I am a douchebag about 67.25% of the time. But I can be warm, sensitive and even romantic when we have kapi together. Deal? Please send me your personal info by pm.

Waiting with great expectations,

S P

SP, why, for you to post the details our kapi meeting at some random bulletin boards expressing your agony/angst/anger/sorrow and seek "advice"? Plus, there is also a distinct possibility that you will bore me to death with your "women tales". Deal rejected.

blabberwock wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Really?. Where are these sensitive CHers? I would like to meet them and have kapi with them.

Yes, I am sure all of us are educated and working people but that hasn't stopped anyone from behaving in the most unethical and juvenile fashion - some have openly revealed personal information, some have hinted at it under a cloak of "ethical behaviour", some others have been cheerleading the "revealers" and others justify using personal information in arguments saying it was "public" anyway.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the esteemed folks who do "information sharing" through notes and private messages.

You are expecting a perfect world. Such adherance to strict ethics does not - repeat does not exist in any real society. Why do you expect it on the net? It is not that people were giving away information out in the public left and right. Juvenile behavior, hinting , cheerleading, etc... are all still peripheral to central point of outing information publicly.

Anyway, when do you want to have kaapi Kashayam ? remember, I have a decent memory...not to mention my powerful Dhrushti. (you can take this as juvenile behavior).

Tracy Whitney wrote:
Based on that history, I had thought that she would join here soon enough. Specially when people are welcoming her..

There is one big difference in revolt of then and revolt of now, from what I gather from her posts... At the time she was probably abandoning other mean ch'ers... but this time it somehow has become a matter of abandoning sulekha itself.... dunno what her rationale is but this seems like a different case, and hence a reason for her showing her 'loyalty'?

Yeha, I expected her to join this place and continue posting on CH, like say Impy and Uppili do. She's the last person on CH I expected to show loyalty to technical infrastructure rather than the people! Even the people she stuck with, she isn't much proud of associating with; she keeps saying "I speak for myself" when people remind her that QB is in there with her.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. She will come here when she does. In the meanwhile, we have enough posters here to talk about (never mind Sevaji's contention today that we only have 2-3 posters here as opposed to 6-7 on old CH!)

to make a big deal out of nothing is so typical of CHers...I'm just saying, it's possible that maria wasn't all anti-suchforumotion at first but didnt feel the need to join right away. It wasn't isn't abt ego or any such thing.

We shud 've let them take their time to shift and not rushed them and eventually (maybe by now) we wud ve had all the original CHers here on forumotion.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

You are expecting a perfect world. Such adherance to strict ethics does not - repeat does not exist in any real society. Why do you expect it on the net? It is not that people were giving away information out in the public left and right. Juvenile behavior, hinting , cheerleading, etc... are all still peripheral to central point of outing information publicly.

They are all connected - a matter of degree.

Anyway, when do you want to have kaapi Kashayam ? remember, I have a decent memory...not to mention my powerful Dhrushti. (you can take this as juvenile behavior).

What is "dhrushti"? (ability to see ahead?)

[quote="blabberwock"]

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

They are all connected - a matter of degree.

Anyway, when do you want to have kaapi Kashayam ? remember, I have a decent memory...not to mention my powerful Dhrushti. (you can take this as juvenile behavior).

What is "dhrushti"? (ability to see ahead?)

now i can see why you did not see eye-eye with Maria. Kupparai vizhundhalum meesailE mann ottale.


Dhrishti, dhrushti all same... But, what about Kaapi Kashayam ? When and where ? I live under the Adayaar Aalamaram.

seven wrote:to make a big deal out of nothing is so typical of CHers...I'm just saying, it's possible that maria wasn't all anti-suchforumotion at first but didnt feel the need to join right away. It wasn't isn't abt ego or any such thing.

We shud 've let them take their time to shift and not rushed them and eventually (maybe by now) we wud ve had all the original CHers here on forumotion.

You are probably right.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

now i can see why you did not see eye-eye with Maria. Kupparai vizhundhalum meesailE mann ottale.

What does this saying mean? How is relevant to what I am saying? What has Maria S got anything to with all this? Questions, questions!

Dhrishti, dhrushti all same... But, what about Kaapi Kashayam ? When and where ? I live under the Adayaar Aalamaram.

I don't trust any Saamiyaars, including the fake ones.

SomeProfile wrote:

blabberwock wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I was also referring to CHers....that is perhaps, most of the CHers are educated and working people. college kids would have outted a lot of personal info. The CHers know that it will become a case of mutual destruction if some personal info was outted.

Really?. Where are these sensitive CHers? I would like to meet them and have kapi with them.

Dear Blabberoo,

I am a douchebag about 67.25% of the time. But I can be warm, sensitive and even romantic when we have kapi together. Deal? Please send me your personal info by pm.

Waiting with great expectations,

S P

I am curious about you! How about meeting me for coffee?

>> I don't trust any Saamiyaars, including the fake ones.

Forget it. You are not lucky to listen to my discourse.

Take this Vibuthi and run.

>> I don't trust any Saamiyaars, including the fake ones.

Forget it. You are not lucky to listen to my discourse.

Take this Vibuthi and run.

PseudoIntellectual wrote:
I am curious about you! How about meeting me for coffee?

Sure, next time I plan a trip to the Bay Area, I will PM you in advance. There will be the usual conditions like no photography, etc.