Eminent Uttar Pradeshi poet who hated Hindi

Rashmun wrote:Raghupati Sahai, better known by his nom de plume of 'Firaq Gorakhpuri', was a Professor of English, but he is most famous for being one of the greatest Urdu poets of modern India. He was an Uttar Pradeshi.

Firaq considered urdu to be a polished, sophisticated, cultured, and refined language; he regarded hindi to be a 'language of the rustics'.*

Note: Hindustani, the spoken hindi of urban India, is closer to urdu than to any hindi dialect spoken in the hindi speaking belt of rural North India. It could even be argued that spoken hindi of urban India, spoken urdu of urban India , and hindustani are the same language with very minor differences.

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There are several other celebrated non-Muslim writers and poets who have
pride of the place in Urdu literature. Raghupati Sahai Firaq Gorakhpuri,
was one of the great Urdu poets who won Janpeeth Award in early seventies.
He was so proud of Urdu that he described Hindi as the 'language of the
rustics'.

http://www.sacw.net/aii/urdu.html

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Urdu and Hindi are dialects of the same basic language. You exaggerate by giving these languages alternate names like Hindi, Urdu, and Hindustani. And yeah I forgot your Duckini.

Standard Urdu is often contrasted with Standard Hindi.[48] Apart from religious associations, the differences are largely restricted to the standard forms: Standard Urdu is conventionally written in the Nastaliq style of the Persian alphabet and relies heavily on Persian and Arabic as a source for technical and literary vocabulary,[49] whereas Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws on Sanskrit.[50] However, both have large numbers of Arabic, Persian and Sanskrit words, and most linguists consider them to be two standardised forms of the same language,[51][52] and consider the differences to be sociolinguistic,[53] though a few classify them separately.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:From the Wikipedia page:

Standard Urdu is often contrasted with Standard Hindi.[48] Apart from religious associations, the differences are largely restricted to the standard forms: Standard Urdu is conventionally written in the Nastaliq style of the Persian alphabet and relies heavily on Persian and Arabic as a source for technical and literary vocabulary,[49] whereas Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws on Sanskrit.[50] However, both have large numbers of Arabic, Persian and Sanskrit words, and most linguists consider them to be two standardised forms of the same language,[51][52] and consider the differences to be sociolinguistic,[53] though a few classify them separately.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:There are dialects of Tamil that I have a very hard time with. This despite taking formal Tamil through all years of middle and high school. For example spoken Sri Lankan Tamil is nearly incomprehensible to me. Doesn't mean it's a different language.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Germans don't understand much of Swiss German, but it's not considered a separate language.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Germans don't understand much of Swiss German, but it's not considered a separate language.

So why did the great Urdu poet Firaq Gorakhpuri say that "Hindi is the language of rustics"?

Rashmun wrote:Raghupati Sahai, better known by his nom de plume of 'Firaq Gorakhpuri', was a Professor of English, but he is most famous for being one of the greatest Urdu poets of modern India. He was an Uttar Pradeshi.

Firaq considered urdu to be a polished, sophisticated, cultured, and refined language; he regarded hindi to be a 'language of the rustics'.*

Note: Hindustani, the spoken hindi of urban India, is closer to urdu than to any hindi dialect spoken in the hindi speaking belt of rural North India. It could even be argued that spoken hindi of urban India, spoken urdu of urban India , and hindustani are the same language with very minor differences.

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There are several other celebrated non-Muslim writers and poets who have
pride of the place in Urdu literature. Raghupati Sahai Firaq Gorakhpuri,
was one of the great Urdu poets who won Janpeeth Award in early seventies.
He was so proud of Urdu that he described Hindi as the 'language of the
rustics'.

http://www.sacw.net/aii/urdu.html

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya" means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya" means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

garam_kuta wrote:

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya" means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

I know someone, who is not a native urdhu speaker, in social gatherings/parties, prefers to use 'kudha hafiz' to all who are familiar with it only because it sounds so nice compared to ciao/bye/adios/arivedarci/sayonara etc., interestingly it's of persian origin, i believe

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:There are dialects of Tamil that I have a very hard time with. This despite taking formal Tamil through all years of middle and high school. For example spoken Sri Lankan Tamil is nearly incomprehensible to me. Doesn't mean it's a different language.

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya"(in Urdu) means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya"(in Urdu) means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

The same as "Unke 'pujya pita' ka 'dehant' ho gaya" (in Hindi -- devanagari script), and
"Unke 'dear father' ka 'death' ho gaya" (in Roman -- Latin script)


Is the basic language for the sentence in the above is same or different, even though might be written using three different types of scripts (Urdu or modified Farsi, Devanagari / Hindi and Latin / English) and in addition might contain a few words (father and death for example) from different languages (Farsi, Hindi and English)?

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

silvermani wrote:Urdu has its own script and lot of the words are very different from Hindi. Without googling can someone say what "Unke waalid saab ka intekhaal ho gaya"(in Urdu) means? That being said, Firaq probably loved urdu as it was the language of the nawabs.

The same as "Unke 'pujya pita' ka 'dehant' ho gaya" (in Hindi -- devanagari script), and
"Unke 'dear father' ka 'death' ho gaya" (in Roman -- Latin script)


Is the basic language for the sentence in the above is same or different, even though might be written using three different types of scripts (Urdu or modified Farsi, Devanagari / Hindi and Latin / English) and in addition might contain a few words (father and death for example) from different languages (Farsi, Hindi and English)?

the words "ho gaya" (has occurred)  constitute the verb. Every verb of an urdu sentence will be a simple Hindustani word. The way to classify any sentence on the basis of language is through its verb.

Rashmun wrote: நீ ஒரு முட்டாள்

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/why-hindi-urdu-is-one-language-and-arabic-is-several/

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://unravellingmag.com/articles/ausbausprachen-abstandsprachen-define-language/

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:When a person who speaks it as a third language is able to understand good bits of both "languages" and can't distinguish between the "two" it's time to call them the same language. Since many Northindians seem to think Urdu is more refined, maybe you should just accept Urdu as the name for "both" your "languages".

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:When a person who speaks it as a third language is able to understand good bits of both "languages" and can't distinguish between the "two" it's time to call them the same language. Since many Northindians seem to think Urdu is more refined, maybe you should just accept Urdu as the name for "both" your "languages".

in urdu the nouns and adjectives may be persian or arabic. this is not the case in Hindustani. Urdu is a special form of Hindustani.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:When a person who speaks it as a third language is able to understand good bits of both "languages" and can't distinguish between the "two" it's time to call them the same language. Since many Northindians seem to think Urdu is more refined, maybe you should just accept Urdu as the name for "both" your "languages".

in urdu the nouns and adjectives may be persian or arabic. this is not the case in Hindustani. Urdu is a special form of Hindustani.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:When a person who speaks it as a third language is able to understand good bits of both "languages" and can't distinguish between the "two" it's time to call them the same language. Since many Northindians seem to think Urdu is more refined, maybe you should just accept Urdu as the name for "both" your "languages".