Hahahaha...Now England all out for 72

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:35 pm

..

and lose their 2nd test match. Kevin Pieterson opened his stinky mouth 1 month back about England being #1 for many many years.... and this happens.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:49 pm

Pakistan's NEWBIE spinners Ajmal (34) and Rahman (31) are causing havoc. What is wrong in India calling back Wasim jaffer and Murali Karthik ? they can easily play for 2 to 3 years while developing some young bowlers in the long run. Right now, bowling is the weakest link.

Murali Karthik is ignored for no reason - er..due to the stupidity of the selectors. Another Rakesh Tandon.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:54 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Pakistan's NEWBIE spinners Ajmal (34) and Rahman (31) are causing havoc. What is wrong in India calling back Wasim jaffer and Murali Karthik ? they can easily play for 2 to 3 years while developing some young bowlers in the long run. Right now, bowling is the weakest link.

Murali Karthik is ignored for no reason - er..due to the stupidity of the selectors. Another Rakesh Tandon.

May be we should begin supporting PAK team Smile

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:10 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Pakistan's NEWBIE spinners Ajmal (34) and Rahman (31) are causing havoc. What is wrong in India calling back Wasim jaffer and Murali Karthik ? they can easily play for 2 to 3 years while developing some young bowlers in the long run. Right now, bowling is the weakest link.

Murali Karthik is ignored for no reason - er..due to the stupidity of the selectors. Another Rakesh Tandon.

May be we should begin supporting PAK team

yeah rite. After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus. (looks like even in cricket it will take 10 Indians to score the runs of 1 pakistani)

by truthbetold Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:06 am

How many Indian bowlers does it take to get An australian batsman out?

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:12 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus.

you are from tamil nadu. your ancestors did not suffer subjugation and humiliation at the hands of islamic invaders. there is no need for you to feel this borrowed sense of persecution.

by Guest Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:35 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus.

you are from tamil nadu. your ancestors did not suffer subjugation and humiliation at the hands of islamic invaders. there is no need for you to feel this borrowed sense of persecution.

what about the Nawabs of Arcot?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:48 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus.

you are from tamil nadu. your ancestors did not suffer subjugation and humiliation at the hands of islamic invaders. there is no need for you to feel this borrowed sense of persecution.

Okieee...

You can think 1 hindu = 10 musalmans.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:25 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus.

you are from tamil nadu. your ancestors did not suffer subjugation and humiliation at the hands of islamic invaders. there is no need for you to feel this borrowed sense of persecution.

what about the Nawabs of Arcot?

what about him?

by Guest Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:30 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

After all, 1 musalman = 10 hindus.

you are from tamil nadu. your ancestors did not suffer subjugation and humiliation at the hands of islamic invaders. there is no need for you to feel this borrowed sense of persecution.

what about the Nawabs of Arcot?

what about him?

--> what i am saying is that tamil nadu has also been conquered and ruled and subjugated by muslim rulers. Starting from when the Vijayanagar empire was conquered by the Bahamani rulers after the Battle of Talikota. At that time modern TN was a part of the Vijayanagar empire.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:34 am

that maybe so, but contemporary tamilians don't bear any psychological scars from it. certainly there is no narrative that i've heard of mass rapes and pillaging passed down through generations. most (maybe not 100% but most will suffice) of the hindu-muslim animus that exists today has its origins in the rape and pillage of northindia by islamic invaders.

by Guest Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:53 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that maybe so, but contemporary tamilians don't bear any psychological scars from it. certainly there is no narrative that i've heard of mass rapes and pillaging passed down through generations. most (maybe not 100% but most will suffice) of the hindu-muslim animus that exists today has its origins in the rape and pillage of northindia by islamic invaders.

--> the reason for this is that there are only 4-5 % muslims in modern TN. Nobody gives a shit in TN about muslims; they are not viewed as any threat. In contrast, the muslim population is a lot more in north india and they comprise an important vote bank. (muslims comprise about 18% of the total population of around 200 million in U.P.). hence they are either wooed or demonized by political parties for the sake of vote bank politics. and that is what creates the psychological scars.

--> this does not mean that rape and pillage did not take place in TN and in regions around modern TN (including Sri Lanka). not just by the muslims but also by hindu rulers, including the Cholas. Indeed, Cholas have been compared to Mahmud of Ghazni by some historians for their looting and their ruthless conduct. That is why the psychological scars in north indians on the basis of hindus vs muslims can be compared to psychological scars in Sri Lanka on the basis of tamils vs sinhalese:

"Ruthless conqueror. Having first fought and
then agreed to a truce with Vengi of the eastern Chalukyas, Rajaraja,
according to his own inscription, conquered Lakshadweep and the
Maldives. Buddhist literature from Sri Lanka says that the Indian king
took advantage of an internal strife in Sri Lanka and invaded the
island. The ruthless Chola conquest was apparently no different from the
conduct of Mahmud of Ghazni at Somnath. The Kulavamsa says that the
capital Anuradhapura, which sported many Buddhist viharas, was 'utterly
destroyed in every way by the Chola army.' Not only were the viharas
decimated, but the holy stupas in them were torn apart in search of
treasure. As George W. Spencer observes in The Politics of Expansion: The Chola Conquest of Sri Lanka and Sri Vijaya, 'Even if we allow for the exaggeration of the chroniclers, it is clear that the Cholas devastated the city.' "
---

"It was no religious conquest. The viharas were
looted because they contained treasures, as did the temples of India
during Mahmud's conquest. Rajaraja's adventures may be dismissed as
having happened within the extended coastal waters of India. But his son
Rajendra was a true conqueror of overseas territories. Says Dr. K.V.
Hariharan in The Chola Maritime Activities in Early Historical Setting:
'Of the most notable was Rajendra Chola's naval expedition against
Kadaram. In this expedition, he defeated a king named Sangama
Vijayottungavarman, the king of Kataha, belonging to the Sailendras of
Java. The territories wrested by the Cholas from this king consisted of
the extensive kingdom of Sri Vijaya, which at one time included Sumatra
and Java, with its capital at Palembang.' "

---

"Apparently it was after the Sailendra dynasty
wrested the Sri Vijaya empire that relations with the Cholas soured. Is
it probable that the imperial Chola was apprehensive of the conquering
energy of the Sailendras ruling over the Sri Vijaya empire? There are
scholars who believe that by the time Rajendra came to [the] throne, the
Sailendra power was ebbing. Anyway, at its height, it encompassed all
the islands from Nicobar to Sumatra and included the entire Malayan
peninsula. Its capital, the city of Sri Vijaya, was believed to be to
the southeast corner of Sumatra."

---

"Not only did Rajendra's army sack Kadaram and the
Sri Vijaya capital, but it also took the Sri Vijaya king Sangrama
Vijayottungavarman captive. The kingdom was restored to him only after
he acknowledged Chola suzerainty. Tamil inscriptions recovered from the
region show that there was Chola military presence till at least 1088 in
the Malay archipelago."

---

"Information on these raiding conquests are sketchy,
but scholars like R.C. Majumdar think that the emperor despatched more
than one expedition to humble the Sri Vijayas. The list of 13 towns in
the archipelago sacked by the Cholas has come from Rajendra's own
inscriptions. Scholars have identified all but two of them. Six are
located on the Malay peninsula, four on Sumatra, the other being the
Nicobar islands. Scholars like Paul Wheatley have been sceptical of
Rajendra's claims about the number of towns his army sacked, but most
agree that a raid did take place."

---

"Says George Spencer: 'The campaign is plausible
because it fits the Chola pattern of compulsive expansion in this
period, fits the aim of Rajendra to exceed his father's accomplishments
and fits the persistent Chola need to locate fresh sources of plunder or
tribute.' There is evidence to show that the king of Kambujadesa
(modern Cambodia) sent a chariot to the Chola, probably to appease him
so that his strategic attention does [sic] not extend further than the
Malay peninsula."

http://sikhtimes.com/news_062903a.html

by Guest Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that maybe so, but contemporary tamilians don't bear any psychological scars from it. certainly there is no narrative that i've heard of mass rapes and pillaging passed down through generations. most (maybe not 100% but most will suffice) of the hindu-muslim animus that exists today has its origins in the rape and pillage of northindia by islamic invaders.

--> the reason for this is that there are only 4-5 % muslims in modern TN. Nobody gives a shit in TN about muslims; they are not viewed as any threat. In contrast, the muslim population is a lot more in north india and they comprise an important vote bank. (muslims comprise about 18% of the total population of around 200 million in U.P.). hence they are either wooed or demonized by political parties for the sake of vote bank politics. and that is what creates the psychological scars.

--> this does not mean that rape and pillage did not take place in TN and in regions around modern TN (including Sri Lanka). not just by the muslims but also by hindu rulers, including the Cholas. Indeed, Cholas have been compared to Mahmud of Ghazni by some historians for their looting and their ruthless conduct. That is why the psychological scars in north indians on the basis of hindus vs muslims can be compared to psychological scars in Sri Lanka on the basis of tamils vs sinhalese.

--> Additionally, one should point out that many telugus have the same psychological scars which many north indians have i.e. because of the hindus vs muslims issue. The reason is that the muslim population in hyderabad is almost 40% and hyderabadi muslims even have their own political party which i am informed has been almost invariably winning elections from the muslim areas in hyderabad every time since independence. If hyderabadi muslims would have been 4-5% then the situation would have been as in TN.

--> I am proud of the fact that U.P. muslims do not have any credibile political party of their own (of course there exist lunatic fringe political parties but nobody gives them any importance) unlike the case in Hyderabad. Could it be that Hyderabadi muslims are more communal than UP muslims?

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