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Post by MulaiAzhagi Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:12 pm


http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jayalalithaa-at-64-she-is-the-voice-of-indian-federalism-224201.html


===> She is the most intelligent women politician India ever had so far.

A great administrator as well.

May turn out to be the best CM in India.




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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:28 pm

if all this is true, more power to her. it is very much in line with my own thinking for TN (and other states if they so desire) to assert autonomy from the central government.

however, what is disappointing is that all the corruption allegations in prior terms have been swept under the rug. this seems to be the way indian politics operates.
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:33 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:if all this is true, more power to her. it is very much in line with my own thinking for TN (and other states if they so desire) to assert autonomy from the central government.

however, what is disappointing is that all the corruption allegations in prior terms have been swept under the rug. this seems to be the way indian politics operates.

TN has consistently had the maximum number of cabinet ministers in the central govt. this means that TN is not in a position to assert autonomy from the central govt.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:41 pm

rashmun: we don't mind wielding power over the rest of the country. we don't want the masses from the dusty indo-gangetic plains having any say in our affairs. hope that helps.
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:51 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun: we don't mind wielding power over the rest of the country. we don't want the masses from the dusty indo-gangetic plains having any say in our affairs. hope that helps.

two things. the people from the indo-gangetic plains are responsible for some important facets of tamil culture today. For instance, Rajendra Chola went up to the Indo-Gangetic plains and requested thousands of brahmins to migrate to TN with their families and promised these people that he would provide them with land and financial assistance in return for their offering prayers for the longevity of his reign and his dynasty. (The request was accepted.) Clearly Rajendra Chola, and many other tamil kings who did the same thing, had greater respect for people from indo-gangetic plains than you do. In this connection, mention must also be made of the yearly pilgrimage many tamilians make to places like Benaras,Prayag, Kashi Vishwanath temple, Vrindavan, Gaya, etc.

Seondly, if tamilians wield power over the rest of the country from the center then they also wield power from Tamil Nadu from the center. It is pointless than to talk of TN having any autonomy. In both this govt. and the last govt. and also many other previous govts. the maximum number or a large number of cabinet ministers were from TN. And the current home minister is a tamilian.

autonomy should never be given to TN because it would only encourage people like KV to become more vociferous in their demands for separation from India. any such demand needs to be crushed, and the best person to do so is another tamilian--in this case the home minister Chidambaram.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:49 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jayalalithaa-at-64-she-is-the-voice-of-indian-federalism-224201.html
===> She is the most intelligent women politician India ever had so far.
A great administrator as well.
May turn out to be the best CM in India.

Best administrator, my foot. From today on wards, it is 2 hours of power cut in Chennai and 4 hours in other ares of TN (officially). Although unofficially it is 6 to 8 hrs in many parts of TN. She is getting kicked by the courts on one issue or the other an I'm not even talking about the corruption cases.

The only reason she became the CM is because of the previous CM and his gang . Every 5 years TN alternates between the devil and the deep sea.

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Post by doofus_maximus Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:09 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jayalalithaa-at-64-she-is-the-voice-of-indian-federalism-224201.html


===> She is the most intelligent women politician India ever had so far.

A great administrator as well.

May turn out to be the best CM in India.




I concur with PS. When you have CMs like Modi and Nitish Kumar, JJ is far far behind.

You need to hear stories about the power outages in rural TN. They cut power for more than 8 hours. It is not even summer yet. Imagine losing power around 4 or 5 in the morning.

Students taking 10th or 12th board exams are suffering because they neither get sleep nor can study.
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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:11 pm

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jayalalithaa-at-64-she-is-the-voice-of-indian-federalism-224201.html
===> She is the most intelligent women politician India ever had so far.
A great administrator as well.
May turn out to be the best CM in India.

Best administrator, my foot. From today on wards, it is 2 hours of power cut in Chennai and 4 hours in other ares of TN (officially). Although unofficially it is 6 to 8 hrs in many parts of TN. She is getting kicked by the courts on one issue or the other an I'm not even talking about the corruption cases.

The only reason she became the CM is because of the previous CM and his gang . Every 5 years TN alternates between the devil and the deep sea.

how about best adminstrator in south india then? maybe the three south indian states, TN, AP, Kerala? currently we have a bunch of corrupt assholes in AP govt (muchocricket will come onboard to question if CBR wasnt as corrupt for sure) and the last able administrator in AP lost power almost a decade ago so the bar is sufficiently low for her to hitch her saree and leap over.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:39 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/jayalalithaa-at-64-she-is-the-voice-of-indian-federalism-224201.html


===> She is the most intelligent women politician India ever had so far.

A great administrator as well.

May turn out to be the best CM in India.




I concur with PS. When you have CMs like Modi and Nitish Kumar, JJ is far far behind.

You need to hear stories about the power outages in rural TN. They cut power for more than 8 hours. It is not even summer yet. Imagine losing power around 4 or 5 in the morning.

Students taking 10th or 12th board exams are suffering because they neither get sleep nor can study.

Heard that 8 to 10 hr power cuts - not just in rural areas but also in major cities like trichy and Salem. Power is diverted to the industries during the day. Wait for the summer to begin (soon).

I guess, the present day kids can identify with their great grandparents when it comes to studying under street lights and Kerosene lanterns.

Oh...yeah...let us not forget about the expected Cauvery row given the heat, and karnataka political struggles.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:41 pm

Rashmun wrote:

two things. the people from the indo-gangetic plains are responsible for some important facets of tamil culture today. For instance, Rajendra Chola went up to the Indo-Gangetic plains and requested thousands of brahmins to migrate to TN with their families and promised these people that he would provide them with land and financial assistance in return for their offering prayers for the longevity of his reign and his dynasty. (The request was accepted.) Clearly Rajendra Chola, and many other tamil kings who did the same thing, had greater respect for people from indo-gangetic plains than you do. In this connection, mention must also be made of the yearly pilgrimage many tamilians make to places like Benaras,Prayag, Kashi Vishwanath temple, Vrindavan, Gaya, etc.

Are you trying to prove your intelligence or idiocy? Srsly?

Please clarify..it will help us in understanding you.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:43 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

two things. the people from the indo-gangetic plains are responsible for some important facets of tamil culture today. For instance, Rajendra Chola went up to the Indo-Gangetic plains and requested thousands of brahmins to migrate to TN with their families and promised these people that he would provide them with land and financial assistance in return for their offering prayers for the longevity of his reign and his dynasty. (The request was accepted.) Clearly Rajendra Chola, and many other tamil kings who did the same thing, had greater respect for people from indo-gangetic plains than you do. In this connection, mention must also be made of the yearly pilgrimage many tamilians make to places like Benaras,Prayag, Kashi Vishwanath temple, Vrindavan, Gaya, etc.

Are you trying to prove your intelligence or idiocy? Srsly?

Please clarify..it will help us in understanding you.

this may help:

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:40 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

two things. the people from the indo-gangetic plains are responsible for some important facets of tamil culture today. For instance, Rajendra Chola went up to the Indo-Gangetic plains and requested thousands of brahmins to migrate to TN with their families and promised these people that he would provide them with land and financial assistance in return for their offering prayers for the longevity of his reign and his dynasty. (The request was accepted.) Clearly Rajendra Chola, and many other tamil kings who did the same thing, had greater respect for people from indo-gangetic plains than you do. In this connection, mention must also be made of the yearly pilgrimage many tamilians make to places like Benaras,Prayag, Kashi Vishwanath temple, Vrindavan, Gaya, etc.

Are you trying to prove your intelligence or idiocy? Srsly?

Please clarify..it will help us in understanding you.

this may help:

https://such.forumotion.com/t4139-overheard-on-chaikaapi-chat-merlot-and-uppili

Thanks for clarifying that you are INDEED desperately trying to prove your idiocy.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:42 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

two things. the people from the indo-gangetic plains are responsible for some important facets of tamil culture today. For instance, Rajendra Chola went up to the Indo-Gangetic plains and requested thousands of brahmins to migrate to TN with their families and promised these people that he would provide them with land and financial assistance in return for their offering prayers for the longevity of his reign and his dynasty. (The request was accepted.) Clearly Rajendra Chola, and many other tamil kings who did the same thing, had greater respect for people from indo-gangetic plains than you do. In this connection, mention must also be made of the yearly pilgrimage many tamilians make to places like Benaras,Prayag, Kashi Vishwanath temple, Vrindavan, Gaya, etc.

Are you trying to prove your intelligence or idiocy? Srsly?

Please clarify..it will help us in understanding you.

this may help:

https://such.forumotion.com/t4139-overheard-on-chaikaapi-chat-merlot-and-uppili

Thanks for clarifying that you are INDEED desperately trying to prove your idiocy.

lol!

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Post by MulaiAzhagi Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:43 pm

===> JJ cannot be blamed for the power cuts.

Power plants are not something you build overnight.

Karunanidhi did not do much to alleviate the problem when he was ruling the state before.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:04 pm

MulaiAzhagi wrote:===> JJ cannot be blamed for the power cuts.
Power plants are not something you build overnight.
Karunanidhi did not do much to alleviate the problem when he was ruling the state before.

Yeah, same thing that Karunanidhi said. Just change the names. "Jayalalitha did not do much to alleviate the problem when she was ruling the state before". Devil and the deep sea..

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:15 pm

>> TN has consistently had the maximum number of cabinet ministers in the central govt. this means that TN is not in a position to assert autonomy from the central govt.

What is your logic if any?

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:23 pm

>> Best administrator, my foot. From today on wards, it is 2 hours of power cut in Chennai and 4 hours in other ares of TN (officially).

You cannnot blame Jaya for it. Hindian government delayed permission for some power plants and transmission lines about a decade ago. At that time Tamil Tribune wrote that this is going to hurt TN industry for years to come.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:39 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> Best administrator, my foot. From today on wards, it is 2 hours of power cut in Chennai and 4 hours in other ares of TN (officially).

You cannnot blame Jaya for it. Hindian government delayed permission for some power plants and transmission lines about a decade ago. At that time Tamil Tribune wrote that this is going to hurt TN industry for years to come.

tamil tribune is a worthless and discredited rag. for instance, it claims that gangster Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:44 pm

>> Rashmun wrote ---
tamil tribune is a worthless and discredited rag. for instance, it claims that gangster Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot.


Rashmun,
Show us all wher Tamil Tribune "Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot" and I will say openly that you are telling the truth.

Put up or shut up.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:48 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> Rashmun wrote ---
tamil tribune is a worthless and discredited rag. for instance, it claims that gangster Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot.


Rashmun,
Show us all wher Tamil Tribune "Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot" and I will say openly that you are telling the truth.

Put up or shut up.

Year 2000. A popular Kannada movie star, Rajkumar, and two others were kidnapped in Tamil Nadu by a Tamil sandalwood smuggler, newly turned Tamil nationalist ("Sandalwood" Veerappan) and two established Tamil nationalist groups of Tamil Nadu (TNLA and TNRT) and taken to a jungle hideout bordering Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. All their demands for the release of Rajkumar were political or humanitarian in nature. There were no selfish personal demands. Their demands included compensation for Karnataka Tamils harmed during the 1991 violence and punishment of those engaged in criminal acts at that time. (NOTE: Not a single individual was punished. Compensation is yet to be paid in spite of a court order.)

http://www.tamiltribune.com/00/1202.html

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:52 pm

[quote="Rashmun"]
Kayalvizhi wrote:>> Rashmun wrote ---
tamil tribune is a worthless and discredited rag. for instance, it claims that gangster Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot.


Rashmun,
Show us all wher Tamil Tribune "Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot" and I will say openly that you are telling the truth.

Put up or shut up.

Year 2000. A popular Kannada movie star, Rajkumar, and two others were kidnapped in Tamil Nadu by a Tamil sandalwood smuggler, newly turned Tamil nationalist ("Sandalwood" Veerappan) and two established Tamil nationalist groups of Tamil Nadu (TNLA and TNRT) and taken to a jungle hideout bordering Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. All their demands for the release of Rajkumar were political or humanitarian in nature. There were no selfish personal demands. Their demands included compensation for Karnataka Tamils harmed during the 1991 violence and punishment of those engaged in criminal acts at that time. (NOTE: Not a single individual was punished. Compensation is yet to be paid in spite of a court order.)

http://www.tamiltribune.com/00/1202.html



Nowhere does it say that Veerappan is a Tamil patriot?

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:56 pm

[quote="Kayalvizhi"]
Rashmun wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:>> Rashmun wrote ---
tamil tribune is a worthless and discredited rag. for instance, it claims that gangster Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot.


Rashmun,
Show us all wher Tamil Tribune "Veerappan should be considered a great tamil patriot" and I will say openly that you are telling the truth.

Put up or shut up.

Year 2000. A popular Kannada movie star, Rajkumar, and two others were kidnapped in Tamil Nadu by a Tamil sandalwood smuggler, newly turned Tamil nationalist ("Sandalwood" Veerappan) and two established Tamil nationalist groups of Tamil Nadu (TNLA and TNRT) and taken to a jungle hideout bordering Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. All their demands for the release of Rajkumar were political or humanitarian in nature. There were no selfish personal demands. Their demands included compensation for Karnataka Tamils harmed during the 1991 violence and punishment of those engaged in criminal acts at that time. (NOTE: Not a single individual was punished. Compensation is yet to be paid in spite of a court order.)

http://www.tamiltribune.com/00/1202.html



Nowhere does it say that Veerappan is a Tamil patriot?

it calls him 'Tamil Nationalist' which i take to mean the same as 'Tamil patriot'. Tamil Tribune also LIES when it says that gangster Veerappan had no selfish demands and that his demands were political or humanitarian in nature.

Conclusion: Tamil Tribune is a worthless, discredited rag not to be trusted.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:09 pm

<< it calls him 'Tamil Nationalist' which i take to mean the same as 'Tamil patriot'.



OK. If you say "all Tamil nationalists are Tamil patriot", THANKS. Messaage to all who read this---Rashmun is telling the truth here.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:11 pm

Rasmun wrote >> Tamil Tribune also LIES when it says that gangster Veerappan had no selfish demands and that his demands were political or humanitarian in nature.



Tamil Tribune is not lying. Show me one selfish demand like give me money or give me pardon in his demands. You cannot. So you are a liar about it.

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Kayalvizhi wrote:Rasmun wrote >> Tamil Tribune also LIES when it says that gangster Veerappan had no selfish demands and that his demands were political or humanitarian in nature.



Tamil Tribune is not lying. Show me one selfish demand like give me money or give me pardon in his demands. You cannot. So you are a liar about it.

it is well known that Gangster Veerappan asked for and received a huge amount of money in exchange for returning film star Rajkumar.


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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:47 pm

>> it is well known that Gangster Veerappan asked for and received a huge amount of money in exchange for returning film star Rajkumar.

Show me an authenticated news report. YOU ARE A LIAR.

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Kayalvizhi wrote:>> it is well known that Gangster Veerappan asked for and received a huge amount of money in exchange for returning film star Rajkumar.

Show me an authenticated news report. YOU ARE A LIAR.

it is not me who is a LIAR but Tamil Tribune which is a LIAR. Here you go:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2002-12-17/bangalore/27315627_1_veerappan-ponnachi-mahadevaswamy-ransom

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:03 pm

Dec 17, 2002, 12.44am ISTBANGALORE: Veerappan is reported to have admitted to receiving a Rs 10-crore ransom from emissaries securing the release of thespian Rajkumar two years ago. STF intelligence sources, quoting a person who accompanied JD(U) functionary Ponnachi Mahadevaswamy to the Chengadi forest to negotiate Nagappa's release, said Veerappan claimed to have distributed crores of rupees, in addition to the Rs 10-crore ransom, among victims of atrocities allegedly committed by STF officers.

I SAID authenticated report. This says "reported to have". " claimed to have distributed crores of rupees, in addition to the Rs 10-crore" If he distributed Rs. 10 crore who got it? It is lots of money? Why did not government recover. We know that nobody in Sathyamangaslam become rich. I was there in 2009.

Rashmun, YOU ARE A LIAR. Posting unauthenticayed news clips.

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Kayalvizhi wrote:Dec 17, 2002, 12.44am ISTBANGALORE: Veerappan is reported to have admitted to receiving a Rs 10-crore ransom from emissaries securing the release of thespian Rajkumar two years ago. STF intelligence sources, quoting a person who accompanied JD(U) functionary Ponnachi Mahadevaswamy to the Chengadi forest to negotiate Nagappa's release, said Veerappan claimed to have distributed crores of rupees, in addition to the Rs 10-crore ransom, among victims of atrocities allegedly committed by STF officers.

I SAID authenticated report. This says "reported to have". " claimed to have distributed crores of rupees, in addition to the Rs 10-crore" If he distributed Rs. 10 crore who got it? It is lots of money? Why did not government recover. We know that nobody in Sathyamangaslam become rich. I was there in 2009.

Rashmun, YOU ARE A LIAR. Posting unauthenticayed news clips.

Rajkumar's family did not want to make the details of the financial transaction public. But leaving aside this case, do you really deny that he was a smuggler, specializing in sandalwood smuggling, and also a poacher. And that he had killed at least 120 people, many of them in cold blood. The very fact that he kidnapped Rajkumar and kept him hostage for 109 days means that Veerappan was a criminal.

Tamil Tribune is a worthless and discredited rag for praising a smuggler, a kidnapper, and a cold blooded killer.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:16 pm

YOU ARE A LIAR as stated in my previous post. You did not address them at all.

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Kayalvizhi wrote:YOU ARE A LIAR as stated in my previous post. You did not address them at all.

i called Tamil Tribune a worthless and discredited rag for praising a smuggler, a kidnapper, and a cold blooded killer. No need to get upset because that's exactly what Tamil Tribune is.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:40 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> Best administrator, my foot. From today on wards, it is 2 hours of power cut in Chennai and 4 hours in other ares of TN (officially).

You cannnot blame Jaya for it. Hindian government delayed permission for some power plants and transmission lines about a decade ago. At that time Tamil Tribune wrote that this is going to hurt TN industry for years to come.

For close to 2 decades, DMK and for 1 year ADMK was part of the government. And looks like the "Hindian" government has not prevented both the parties and their leaders from making money. It is perfectly right to blame Jayalalitha / Karunanidhi for the powercuts we face in Tamilnadu.

BTW, Modi is having an hostile government in Centre for close to a decade and Gujarat is a power surplus state. So blaming the "Hindian" government looks like a lame excuse

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:42 pm

Modi may be hostile. But Hindian gov is not hostile to Gujarat but it is to Tamil Nadu.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:44 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Modi may be hostile. But Hindian gov is not hostile to Gujarat but it is to Tamil Nadu.

So sayeth the Lankan Tamil who has no clue about Indian politics.

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