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Hitler's generous side
by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:52 pm
I am going to present some of the great things Hitler did. Over the next several months, my goal is to make this the longest thread here, and present all the great things we should be grateful to Hitler for.
If you say that Hitler did bad things, I will dispute you with random copy-paste links and eventually on page 8 agree that he lost his head at some point during WWII. I will further say that he ought to have made peace with America like Emperor Hiro Hito of Japan did.
Anyway, on to my main point: Hitler was a good dictator whose achievements should not be neglected just because of the unfortunate loss of his cranial cavity and its contents sometime during the 1940s. Here is why.
Hitler: A Side We Never See
It seems we owe Hitler for many of our "labor" comforts we enjoy today. i.e. a 40 hour week, overtime, holiday pay and so on. Never learned this in school, did you?
The substantial tariffs imposed on the sale of German goods abroad had sharply curtailed the nation's ability to export her products. Under obligation to pay gigantic sums to their conquerors, the Germans had paid out billions upon billions. Then, bled dry, they were forced to seek recourse to enormous loans from abroad, from the United States in particular.
This indebtedness had completed their destruction and, in 1929, precipitated Germany into a terrifying financial crisis.
Yet the Reich wasn't a factory of 100 or 200 workers, but a nation of 65 million citizens crushed under the imposed burdens of the Treaty of Versailles, by industrial stagnation, by frightful unemployment, and by a gut-wrenching misery shared by the entire people.
To accomplish his great goal, he (Hitler) would need to reestablish the equilibrium of the social classes within the context of a regenerated community, free his nation from foreign hegemony, and restructure its geographic unity.
In the eyes of the capitalists, money was the sole active element in the flourishing of a country's economy. To Hitler's way of thinking, that conception was radically wrong: capital, on the contrary, was only an instrument. Work was the essential element: man's endeavor, man's honor, blood, muscles and soul.
Hitler wanted not just to put an end to the class struggle, but to reestablish the priority of the human being, in justice and respect, as the principal factor in production.
"The people," Hitler declared, "were not put here on earth for the sake of the economy, and the economy doesn't exist for the sake of capital. On the contrary, capital is meant to serve the economy, and the economy in turn to serve the people."
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitler-side-we-never-see.html
If you say that Hitler did bad things, I will dispute you with random copy-paste links and eventually on page 8 agree that he lost his head at some point during WWII. I will further say that he ought to have made peace with America like Emperor Hiro Hito of Japan did.
Anyway, on to my main point: Hitler was a good dictator whose achievements should not be neglected just because of the unfortunate loss of his cranial cavity and its contents sometime during the 1940s. Here is why.
Hitler: A Side We Never See
It seems we owe Hitler for many of our "labor" comforts we enjoy today. i.e. a 40 hour week, overtime, holiday pay and so on. Never learned this in school, did you?
The substantial tariffs imposed on the sale of German goods abroad had sharply curtailed the nation's ability to export her products. Under obligation to pay gigantic sums to their conquerors, the Germans had paid out billions upon billions. Then, bled dry, they were forced to seek recourse to enormous loans from abroad, from the United States in particular.
This indebtedness had completed their destruction and, in 1929, precipitated Germany into a terrifying financial crisis.
Yet the Reich wasn't a factory of 100 or 200 workers, but a nation of 65 million citizens crushed under the imposed burdens of the Treaty of Versailles, by industrial stagnation, by frightful unemployment, and by a gut-wrenching misery shared by the entire people.
To accomplish his great goal, he (Hitler) would need to reestablish the equilibrium of the social classes within the context of a regenerated community, free his nation from foreign hegemony, and restructure its geographic unity.
In the eyes of the capitalists, money was the sole active element in the flourishing of a country's economy. To Hitler's way of thinking, that conception was radically wrong: capital, on the contrary, was only an instrument. Work was the essential element: man's endeavor, man's honor, blood, muscles and soul.
Hitler wanted not just to put an end to the class struggle, but to reestablish the priority of the human being, in justice and respect, as the principal factor in production.
"The people," Hitler declared, "were not put here on earth for the sake of the economy, and the economy doesn't exist for the sake of capital. On the contrary, capital is meant to serve the economy, and the economy in turn to serve the people."
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitler-side-we-never-see.html
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Re: Hitler's generous side
by Guest Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:53 pm
Hitler committed suicide after he lost the war. In contrast, Nizam was appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh after he lost the war.
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Re: Hitler's generous side
by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:53 pm
Hitler's tremendous social achievement in putting Germany's six million unemployed back to work is seldom acknowledged today. Although it was much more than a transitory achievement, "democratic" historians routinely dismiss it in just a few lines. Since 1945, not a single objective scholarly study has been devoted to this highly significant, indeed unprecedented, historical phenomenon.
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Re: Hitler's generous side
by Guest Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:54 pm
Rashmun wrote:Hitler committed suicide after he lost the war. In contrast, Nizam was appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh after he lost the war.
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by Guest Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:55 pm
Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
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Re: Hitler's generous side
by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:57 pm
It is possible that Hitler did not commit suicide. I will look for links to "prove" this.Rashmun wrote:Hitler committed suicide after he lost the war. In contrast, Nizam was appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh after he lost the war.
Also, if he did commit suicide, Hitler was brave enough to confront his enemies. Nizam had licked the boots of the British for so long that he got used to it and couldn't help himself.
I think the reason you hate Hitler so much is because some of your family members may be affected by Hitler's policies when he lost his head.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:58 pm
It is possible that Nizam was not appointed Governor. I am going to make up my own facts for this thread.Rashmun wrote:Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:01 pm
Also, Hitler was a good dictator. If Hitler was a bad guy, that article would not have been written about him. The fact that the article exists is proof that Hitler was a good guy.panini press wrote:It is possible that Nizam was not appointed Governor. I am going to make up my own facts for this thread.Rashmun wrote:Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:01 pm
.panini press wrote:Also, Hitler was a good dictator. If Hitler was a bad guy, that article would not have been written about him. The fact that the article exists is proof that Hitler was a good guy.panini press wrote:It is possible that Nizam was not appointed Governor. I am going to make up my own facts for this thread.Rashmun wrote:Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:02 pm
.panini press wrote:Hitler's tremendous social achievement in putting Germany's six million unemployed back to work is seldom acknowledged today. Although it was much more than a transitory achievement, "democratic" historians routinely dismiss it in just a few lines. Since 1945, not a single objective scholarly study has been devoted to this highly significant, indeed unprecedented, historical phenomenon.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:08 pm
Second dot.panini press wrote:.panini press wrote:Hitler's tremendous social achievement in putting Germany's six million unemployed back to work is seldom acknowledged today. Although it was much more than a transitory achievement, "democratic" historians routinely dismiss it in just a few lines. Since 1945, not a single objective scholarly study has been devoted to this highly significant, indeed unprecedented, historical phenomenon.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:11 pm
Similarly neglected is the body of sweeping reforms that dramatically changed the condition of the worker in Germany. Factories were transformed from gloomy caverns to spacious and healthy work centers, with natural lighting, surrounded by gardens and playing fields. Hundreds of thousands of attractive houses were built for working class families. A policy of several weeks of paid vacation was introduced, along with week and holiday trips by land and sea. A wide-ranging program of physical and cultural education for young workers was established, with the world's best system of technical training. The Third Reich's social security and workers' health insurance system was the world's most modern and complete.
It is clear from these activities that Hitler was a ruler quite in the mold of Ashoka after the Kalinga war -- a ruler who cared deeply for the welfare of his people.
It is clear from these activities that Hitler was a ruler quite in the mold of Ashoka after the Kalinga war -- a ruler who cared deeply for the welfare of his people.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:16 pm
.panini press wrote:.panini press wrote:Also, Hitler was a good dictator. If Hitler was a bad guy, that article would not have been written about him. The fact that the article exists is proof that Hitler was a good guy.panini press wrote:It is possible that Nizam was not appointed Governor. I am going to make up my own facts for this thread.Rashmun wrote:Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
PS: I am trying to race towards 11 pages as quickly as possible. Please bear with my no-content dotting. Speed is more important than substance.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:20 pm
This remarkable record of social achievement is routinely hushed up today because it is embarrasses those who uphold the orthodox view of the Third Reich. Otherwise, readers might begin to think that perhaps Hitler was the greatest social builder of the twentieth century.
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitler-side-we-never-see.html
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitler-side-we-never-see.html
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:28 pm
The essential part of Hitler's life work was being the greatest social builder of the twentieth century. This scholarly study says so. If Hitler was a bad guy, this would not have happened. So Hitler was a good guy. QED.
Because Hitler's program of social reform was a crucially important - indeed, essential -- part of his life work, a realization of this fact might induce people to view Hitler with new eyes. Not surprisingly, therefore, all this is passed over in silence. Most historians insist on treating Hitler and the Third Reich simplistically, as part of a Manichaean morality play of good versus evil.
Because Hitler's program of social reform was a crucially important - indeed, essential -- part of his life work, a realization of this fact might induce people to view Hitler with new eyes. Not surprisingly, therefore, all this is passed over in silence. Most historians insist on treating Hitler and the Third Reich simplistically, as part of a Manichaean morality play of good versus evil.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:31 pm
.panini press wrote:This remarkable record of social achievement is routinely hushed up today because it is embarrasses those who uphold the orthodox view of the Third Reich. Otherwise, readers might begin to think that perhaps Hitler was the greatest social builder of the twentieth century.
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitler-side-we-never-see.html
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:45 pm
.panini press wrote:The essential part of Hitler's life work was being the greatest social builder of the twentieth century. This scholarly study says so. If Hitler was a bad guy, this would not have happened. So Hitler was a good guy. QED.
Because Hitler's program of social reform was a crucially important - indeed, essential -- part of his life work, a realization of this fact might induce people to view Hitler with new eyes. Not surprisingly, therefore, all this is passed over in silence. Most historians insist on treating Hitler and the Third Reich simplistically, as part of a Manichaean morality play of good versus evil.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:51 pm
Nevertheless, restoring work and bread to millions of unemployed who had been living in misery for years; restructuring industrial life; conceiving and establishing an organization for the effective defense and betterment of the nation's millions of wage earners; creating a new bureaucracy and judicial system that guaranteed the civic rights of each member of the national community, while simultaneously holding each person to his or her responsibilities as a German citizen: this organic body of reforms was part of a single, comprehensive plan, which Hitler had conceived and worked out years earlier.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:59 pm
.panini press wrote:The essential part of Hitler's life work was being the greatest social builder of the twentieth century. This scholarly study says so. If Hitler was a bad guy, this would not have happened. So Hitler was a good guy. QED.
Because Hitler's program of social reform was a crucially important - indeed, essential -- part of his life work, a realization of this fact might induce people to view Hitler with new eyes. Not surprisingly, therefore, all this is passed over in silence. Most historians insist on treating Hitler and the Third Reich simplistically, as part of a Manichaean morality play of good versus evil.
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by Idéfix Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:59 pm
.panini press wrote:Nevertheless, restoring work and bread to millions of unemployed who had been living in misery for years; restructuring industrial life; conceiving and establishing an organization for the effective defense and betterment of the nation's millions of wage earners; creating a new bureaucracy and judicial system that guaranteed the civic rights of each member of the national community, while simultaneously holding each person to his or her responsibilities as a German citizen: this organic body of reforms was part of a single, comprehensive plan, which Hitler had conceived and worked out years earlier.
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Re: Hitler's generous side
by FluteHolder Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:41 pm
Can we expect few more threads titled as 'Aurangzeb's Generous Side, Akbar's Generous Side, etc?
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by ashdoc Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:47 pm
Rashmun wrote:Hitler committed suicide after he lost the war. In contrast, Nizam was appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh after he lost the war.
hitler was confronted with tough nonvegetarians who would have given him punishment for his crimes---so he committed suicide .
on the other hand the nizam was confronted with people who are half vegetarian and who therefore piss in their pants when confronted by muslims---hence he was confident that his confronters would not have the balls to punish him for the crimes he had committed and he did not commit suicide . and he was proved right---instead of punishing him he was duly given governorship of the same people he was harassing earlier .
jai secularism and jai vegetarianism......
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by Merlot Daruwala Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:54 am
panini press wrote:.panini press wrote:Also, Hitler was a good dictator. If Hitler was a bad guy, that article would not have been written about him. The fact that the article exists is proof that Hitler was a good guy.panini press wrote:It is possible that Nizam was not appointed Governor. I am going to make up my own facts for this thread.Rashmun wrote:Charvaka, why was Nizam appointed Governor of Andhra Pradesh if he was as bad as Hitler?
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by Propagandhi711 Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:07 am
Also there were many movies in regional cinema with the name of hitler....would the tamils name their heros hitler if he was not a great man? Subrmaniam bharathi also had a positive view of hitler and his vegetarianism...any man that fetuses to eat animal flesh cn only be good. All these points will goi into wiki support articles and reposted on such 14 dozen times
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by Guest Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:27 am
If Hitler was not a kind, benevolent, great man would his name be remembered and immortalized in India?
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by Idéfix Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:29 pm
Thanks one and all for sharing more proofs of Hitler's generous side. It has been brought to my attention that an understanding of fire, how it spreads and how it can be controlled is an attribute of a good ruler. So I give you Hitler's great achievement in the area of pyrotechnics.
The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand (help·info)) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.
At 21:25 (UTC +1), a Berlin fire station received an alarm call that the Reichstag building, the assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze. The fire started in the Session Chamber,[1] and, by the time the police and firemen arrived, the main Chamber of Deputies was engulfed in flames.
The police conducted a thorough search inside the building and found Marinus van der Lubbe, council communist and unemployed bricklayer, who had recently arrived in Germany, ostensibly to carry out political activities. The fire was used as evidence by the Nazis that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe and four Communist leaders were subsequently arrested.
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By 23:30 hours (11:30 p.m.), the fire was put out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
As it can be seen, Hitler's fire department was swift in getting to the fire site and finding the people responsible. The fire was put out in just two hours. The search is also called thorough. If Hitler was not a great man, this would not have happened.
The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand (help·info)) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.
At 21:25 (UTC +1), a Berlin fire station received an alarm call that the Reichstag building, the assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze. The fire started in the Session Chamber,[1] and, by the time the police and firemen arrived, the main Chamber of Deputies was engulfed in flames.
The police conducted a thorough search inside the building and found Marinus van der Lubbe, council communist and unemployed bricklayer, who had recently arrived in Germany, ostensibly to carry out political activities. The fire was used as evidence by the Nazis that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe and four Communist leaders were subsequently arrested.
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By 23:30 hours (11:30 p.m.), the fire was put out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
As it can be seen, Hitler's fire department was swift in getting to the fire site and finding the people responsible. The fire was put out in just two hours. The search is also called thorough. If Hitler was not a great man, this would not have happened.
Last edited by panini press on Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:37 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Added link to make my post more scholarly)
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by Idéfix Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:30 pm
Excellent idea. The next thread in my series Generous Sides of Despotic Tyrants will be dedicated to the Alamgir Aurangzeb the Great, the benefactor of Hindu temples.FluteHolder wrote:
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