Tinker tailor soldier spy

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:40 pm

Did anyone actually watch the movie and follow it on first viewing without ever reading the book? I read the book like 22 yrs ago and forgot most of it...the movie is so intractely crafted that its hard to get what's going on fully...Ned to borrow the book frm library and read again....love me spy thrillers, they're the best when they aren't badly made shoot'em ups with bombastic CIA characters

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:45 pm

i tried watching it. very boring.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:45 pm

I watched it twice. Got most of it on first viewing but second time helped. Never read the book.

by bw Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:48 pm

it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:49 pm

bw wrote:it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

by bw Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:52 pm

bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

ok i will. have you read any book or seen any movie on Kim Philby?

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:55 pm

I read almost all of le carre's books, even the dense, unreadable ones and hated just one book - the little drummer girl, which is ant Israel- Palestinian conflict...that whole area with its nasty inhabitants turns me off for some reason. Watching this movie is building a hankering for the Karla trilogy and other Cold War works by le carre

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:57 pm

After watching the movie, I got intrigued by Le Carre's work. I added Tinker Tailor to my reading list, but haven't gotten to it yet. I used to read Frederick Forsyth et al in college, but Le Carre certainly seems to be at a superior level.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:03 am

Oh yeah...le carre is vastly superior prose wise and in the complexity of his novels, plot wise...you'll like him much more than Forsyth...Forsyth gets a little too right wing in his later works, le carre is definitely left wing in his world view and sensibilities. I like his prose, only secondary to vs Naipaul among modern british authors, IMO.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:04 am

Also spy who came in from the cold is the definitive classic and there was a 1960s movie version which was very well made.

by bw Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:08 am

Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

ok i will. have you read any book or seen any movie on Kim Philby?

i haven't read any books but have watched some videos on youtube about him.

by Guest Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:40 am

bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:it is hard if you haven't read the book and does require a couple of viewings. i think compressing everything into 2 hours was not easy.

the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness is very nicely done.

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

ok i will. have you read any book or seen any movie on Kim Philby?

i haven't read any books but have watched some videos on youtube about him.

The whole Cambridge 5 case was a very interesting case. What was peculiarly interesting is that all 5 (Philby, Maclean, Burgess, Blunt, Caincross) were identified but none of them were imprisoned and all died of natural causes, three of them in russia and two in england. I might write a blog on Philby some day. The following is a brief Philby bibliography for you or anyone else knowing more about Philby:

1. My secret war by Kim Philby (autobiography of Philby)
2. My Five Cambridge Friends by Yuri Modin
3. The Philby Files by Genrikh Borovikh
4. The Master Spy (by Phillip Knightly)

There was also a good BBC television serial on the Cambridge 5 (which does not focus on Cairncross because his involvement was discovered much later).

by Guest Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:49 am

Philby and Le Carre were contemporaries in the British Secret service and did not like each other. Le Carre was contemptuous of Philby for his treachery and Philby thought Le Carre was a little dull.

by Guest Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:55 am

Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

ok i will. have you read any book or seen any movie on Kim Philby?

i haven't read any books but have watched some videos on youtube about him.

The whole Cambridge 5 case was a very interesting case. What was peculiarly interesting is that all 5 (Philby, Maclean, Burgess, Blunt, Caincross) were identified but none of them were imprisoned and all died of natural causes, three of them in russia and two in england. I might write a blog on Philby some day. The following is a brief Philby bibliography for you or anyone else ~~knowing~~ wanting to know more about Philby:

1. My secret war by Kim Philby (autobiography of Philby)
2. My Five Cambridge Friends by Yuri Modin
3. The Philby Files by Genrikh Borovikh
4. The Master Spy (by Phillip Knightly)

There was also a good BBC television serial on the Cambridge 5 (which does not focus on Cairncross because his involvement was discovered much later).

by bw Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:05 am

Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

yes i need to watch the BBC version.

Alec Guinness rocks! check out 'smiley's people' too.

ok i will. have you read any book or seen any movie on Kim Philby?

i haven't read any books but have watched some videos on youtube about him.

The whole Cambridge 5 case was a very interesting case. What was peculiarly interesting is that all 5 (Philby, Maclean, Burgess, Blunt, Caincross) were identified but none of them were imprisoned and all died of natural causes, three of them in russia and two in england. I might write a blog on Philby some day. The following is a brief Philby bibliography for you or anyone else knowing more about Philby:

1. My secret war by Kim Philby (autobiography of Philby)
2. My Five Cambridge Friends by Yuri Modin
3. The Philby Files by Genrikh Borovikh
4. The Master Spy (by Phillip Knightly)

There was also a good BBC television serial on the Cambridge 5 (which does not focus on Cairncross because his involvement was discovered much later).

thanks for the book suggestions. i will look for them at my library.

by Hellsangel Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:12 am

A while back someone presented me the BBC show of this and Smiley's People on DVD. However it was in PAL format but I managed to finish watching this show and plan to watch Smiley's People soon. I am glad that I watched this. Now I plan to watch the movie again.

by garam_kuta Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:25 am

Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

by Propagandhi711 Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:48 pm

garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

by Guest Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:52 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

Propa who is your favorite detective stories writer? I recall you were once recommending one particular detective story writer to me but i now forget his name.

by bw Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:53 pm

Hellsangel wrote:A while back someone presented me the BBC show of this and Smiley's People on DVD. However it was in PAL format but I managed to finish watching this show and plan to watch Smiley's People soon. I am glad that I watched this. Now I plan to watch the movie again.

BBC version rocks!

i haven't watched the movie version. i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

do you agree with the following review since you have watched both? he thinks the movie didn't do justice to the story and that's the same feedback i got from someone else who watched both.

Sadly, the other wonderful characters in the BBC series that Le Carré
brought to vivid life become mere cardboard cutouts in the 2011 film.
The slippery Hungarian chief of the Lamplighters, Toby Esterhase; Bill
Hayden, the charming seducer of one and all; insufferably pompous Sir
Percy Alliline; gruff, chain-smoking Roy Bland; and Jim Prideaux,
betrayed on a mission behind the Iron Curtain by the man he loved.
Having grown up in New York's theater world, I've seen many moments
of memorable drama, but none more so than the wonderful scene in the Smiley's People
where Toby Esterhase kidnaps a Soviet diplomat wonderfully played by
the Anglo-French actor Michael Lonsdale. Watching Smiley slowly,
relentlessly deconstruct the blustering Soviet official into a
blubbering mess is one of cinema's supreme scenes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-margolis/tinker-tailor-soldier-spy_b_1392437.html

by Hellsangel Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:28 pm

The movie is very ambitious in trying to condense the story into 127 minutes of running time. By contrast, the TV show is 315 minutes long. A lot is lost in the movie. So, yes, d'accord!

by Propagandhi711 Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

Propa who is your favorite detective stories writer? I recall you were once recommending one particular detective story writer to me but i now forget his name.

I am not a particular fan of the detective genre, my favorites are noir, spy thrillers, history for the most part. I used to read Robert Parker, Jeffrey Deaver et al but like James Elroy, Elmore Leonard and the greats from the 60s, 70s and 80s in that genre...spy thrillers my favorite is le care but there are the usual like Len Deighton, Forsyth...

by Guest Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:52 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

Propa who is your favorite detective stories writer? I recall you were once recommending one particular detective story writer to me but i now forget his name.

I am not a particular fan of the detective genre, my favorites are noir, spy thrillers, history for the most part. I used to read Robert Parker, Jeffrey Deaver et al but like James Elroy, Elmore Leonard and the greats from the 60s, 70s and 80s in that genre...spy thrillers my favorite is le care but there are the usual like Len Deighton, Forsyth...

there was one other detective story writer you were recommending to me earlier. think he may have had an italian name.

by Hellsangel Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:54 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

Propa who is your favorite detective stories writer? I recall you were once recommending one particular detective story writer to me but i now forget his name.

I am not a particular fan of the detective genre, my favorites are noir, spy thrillers, history for the most part. I used to read Robert Parker, Jeffrey Deaver et al but like James Elroy, Elmore Leonard and the greats from the 60s, 70s and 80s in that genre...spy thrillers my favorite is le care but there are the usual like Len Deighton, Forsyth...

Did you get the memo about Monday's Brotherhood meeting being moved?

by Guest Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:56 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:Hail to the Queen !!! all made for PCs !

peanut butter!! burn those mattresses. ant bites!! spoilt milk???

Propa who is your favorite detective stories writer? I recall you were once recommending one particular detective story writer to me but i now forget his name.

I am not a particular fan of the detective genre, my favorites are noir, spy thrillers, history for the most part. I used to read Robert Parker, Jeffrey Deaver et al but like James Elroy, Elmore Leonard and the greats from the 60s, 70s and 80s in that genre...spy thrillers my favorite is le care but there are the usual like Len Deighton, Forsyth...

there was one other detective story writer you were recommending to me earlier. think he may have had an italian name.

think you may have been recommending this series of books to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameless_Detective

Please confirm.

by Hellsangel Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:59 pm

bw wrote: i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

I have started watching Smiley's people now. I found a better way to watch the DVD now. No movie version of that yet.

by bw Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:04 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote: i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

I have started watching Smiley's people now. I found a better way to watch the DVD now. No movie version of that yet.

yaay!

le carre was so impressed with alec guinness's portrayal of smiley in TTSS that he wrote the rest of his books on smiley based on that!

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:10 am

bw wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote: i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

I have started watching Smiley's people now. I found a better way to watch the DVD now. No movie version of that yet.

yaay!

le carre was so impressed with alec guinness's portrayal of smiley in TTSS that he wrote the rest of his books on smiley based on that!

Two and a half episodes down. This moves way faster than TTSS.

by bw Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:27 am

Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote: i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

I have started watching Smiley's people now. I found a better way to watch the DVD now. No movie version of that yet.

yaay!

le carre was so impressed with alec guinness's portrayal of smiley in TTSS that he wrote the rest of his books on smiley based on that!

Two and a half episodes down. This moves way faster than TTSS.

yeah, more sleazy too. by the way, what better way?

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:55 am

bw wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
bw wrote: i have watched the BBC versions of both TTSS and smiley's people

I have started watching Smiley's people now. I found a better way to watch the DVD now. No movie version of that yet.

yaay!

le carre was so impressed with alec guinness's portrayal of smiley in TTSS that he wrote the rest of his books on smiley based on that!

Two and a half episodes down. This moves way faster than TTSS.

yeah, more sleazy too. by the way, what better way?

Oh! Just invested in a new gizmo.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:14 pm

Oh! And Alan Rickman had a bit-role.

by Hellsangel Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:47 pm

On Netflix now.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:48 pm

Hellsangel wrote:On Netflix now.

you mean the movie. i watched the original miniseries and loved it.

by Sponsored content

Tinker tailor soldier spy

Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy

Re: Tinker tailor soldier spy