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Are We Better Off as Part of India?
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Are We Better Off as Part of India?
3. Are We Better Off as Part of India?
There are those who say that foreign companies are building factories in Tamilnadu, Tamil Nadu has a growing information technology industry (IT industry), we are thus well off as part of India. Yes, foreign companies are setting up factories in Tamil Nadu. Yes, Tamil Nadu has become a player in the information technology industry. These are happening not because Tamil Nadu is part of India; these are happening in spite of Tamil Nadu being part of India. Tamil Nadu (and the rest of the South and West) would have been growing much faster and economically better off if they were not part of India. This is the crux of former finance minister Chidambaram's assessment.
There are those who argue that the better-off states like Tamil Nadu should subsidize Hindi states. How long do we have to subsidize? As of this writing, in June 2011, we have been subsidizing Hindi states for over 60 years, year after year, every year. That is too much. Tamil Nadu is by no means rich compared to many other nations in the world. We want to enjoy the fruits of our hard work, sweat and labour. We cannot and should not send our hard earned money to Hindi states year after year for over half a century and still continuing. They have to help themselves instead of sitting as our overlords and demand that part of our hard earned monies go to subsidize them.
Let me illustrate the situation by a simple example.
4. A Story
Two brothers live together in a house with their wives and children. The older brother is lazy, cannot hold a job for long, moves from job to job with periods of unemployment and earns much less than the younger brother. The younger brother studied hard when he was in school, got a job, worked hard and earns somewhat more than his brother. The older brother controls the combined finances of the household. Younger brother is subsidizing the living expenses of the older one. Because of this he is not getting the full benefit of his hard work at school and now in workplace. He and his wife and children could have a better life but for the drain of his money to provide for his brother's family. Instead of using this opportunity to get some vocational training, get a better job and work hard there, the older brother is continuing to live in his easy-go lifestyle. This is going on year after year for many years.
It is time for the younger brother to leave the combined households and start his own separate household with wife and children where he and his own family could have a little more money to spend without his brother's family taking parts of his income year after year, whether the younger brother consents to it or not. The younger brother could occasionally send some money to help out his older brother, when he so chooses, but not by compulsion. This is like richer countries giving foreign aid to less developed countries on their own volition.
full article at
http://www.tamiltribune.com/11/0701.html
There are those who say that foreign companies are building factories in Tamilnadu, Tamil Nadu has a growing information technology industry (IT industry), we are thus well off as part of India. Yes, foreign companies are setting up factories in Tamil Nadu. Yes, Tamil Nadu has become a player in the information technology industry. These are happening not because Tamil Nadu is part of India; these are happening in spite of Tamil Nadu being part of India. Tamil Nadu (and the rest of the South and West) would have been growing much faster and economically better off if they were not part of India. This is the crux of former finance minister Chidambaram's assessment.
There are those who argue that the better-off states like Tamil Nadu should subsidize Hindi states. How long do we have to subsidize? As of this writing, in June 2011, we have been subsidizing Hindi states for over 60 years, year after year, every year. That is too much. Tamil Nadu is by no means rich compared to many other nations in the world. We want to enjoy the fruits of our hard work, sweat and labour. We cannot and should not send our hard earned money to Hindi states year after year for over half a century and still continuing. They have to help themselves instead of sitting as our overlords and demand that part of our hard earned monies go to subsidize them.
Let me illustrate the situation by a simple example.
4. A Story
Two brothers live together in a house with their wives and children. The older brother is lazy, cannot hold a job for long, moves from job to job with periods of unemployment and earns much less than the younger brother. The younger brother studied hard when he was in school, got a job, worked hard and earns somewhat more than his brother. The older brother controls the combined finances of the household. Younger brother is subsidizing the living expenses of the older one. Because of this he is not getting the full benefit of his hard work at school and now in workplace. He and his wife and children could have a better life but for the drain of his money to provide for his brother's family. Instead of using this opportunity to get some vocational training, get a better job and work hard there, the older brother is continuing to live in his easy-go lifestyle. This is going on year after year for many years.
It is time for the younger brother to leave the combined households and start his own separate household with wife and children where he and his own family could have a little more money to spend without his brother's family taking parts of his income year after year, whether the younger brother consents to it or not. The younger brother could occasionally send some money to help out his older brother, when he so chooses, but not by compulsion. This is like richer countries giving foreign aid to less developed countries on their own volition.
full article at
http://www.tamiltribune.com/11/0701.html
Kayalvizhi- Posts : 3659
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http://www.tamiltribune.com/11/0701.html[/quote[/url]]Kayalvizhi wrote:3. Are We Better Off as Part of India?
There are those who say that foreign companies are building factories in Tamilnadu, Tamil Nadu has a growing information technology industry (IT industry), we are thus well off as part of India. Yes, foreign companies are setting up factories in Tamil Nadu. Yes, Tamil Nadu has become a player in the information technology industry. These are happening not because Tamil Nadu is part of India; these are happening in spite of Tamil Nadu being part of India. Tamil Nadu (and the rest of the South and West) would have been growing much faster and economically better off if they were not part of India. This is the crux of former finance minister Chidambaram's assessment.
There are those who argue that the better-off states like Tamil Nadu should subsidize Hindi states. How long do we have to subsidize? As of this writing, in June 2011, we have been subsidizing Hindi states for over 60 years, year after year, every year. That is too much. Tamil Nadu is by no means rich compared to many other nations in the world. We want to enjoy the fruits of our hard work, sweat and labour. We cannot and should not send our hard earned money to Hindi states year after year for over half a century and still continuing. They have to help themselves instead of sitting as our overlords and demand that part of our hard earned monies go to subsidize them.
Let me illustrate the situation by a simple example.
4. A Story
Two brothers live together in a house with their wives and children. The older brother is lazy, cannot hold a job for long, moves from job to job with periods of unemployment and earns much less than the younger brother. The younger brother studied hard when he was in school, got a job, worked hard and earns somewhat more than his brother. The older brother controls the combined finances of the household. Younger brother is subsidizing the living expenses of the older one. Because of this he is not getting the full benefit of his hard work at school and now in workplace. He and his wife and children could have a better life but for the drain of his money to provide for his brother's family. Instead of using this opportunity to get some vocational training, get a better job and work hard there, the older brother is continuing to live in his easy-go lifestyle. This is going on year after year for many years.
It is time for the younger brother to leave the combined households and start his own separate household with wife and children where he and his own family could have a little more money to spend without his brother's family taking parts of his income year after year, whether the younger brother consents to it or not. The younger brother could occasionally send some money to help out his older brother, when he so chooses, but not by compulsion. This is like richer countries giving foreign aid to less developed countries on their own volition.
full article at
[url=http://www.tamiltribune.com/11/0701.html
Didn't you find anything more current than June 2011 Tamil Tribune?
goodcitizn- Posts : 3263
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no.
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
Kayalvizhi- Posts : 3659
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Kayalvizhi wrote:no.
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
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If Tamilnadu secedes from India then it has to spend more on setting up its own armed forces (three wings) It has to have its own foreign embassies, ambassadors etc., Separate judicial systems, constitution has to be set up. All these expenses including education, health care has to be generated internally which will be enormous and not economically viable. Tamilnadu is a major contributor to India's GDP but still gets a share from the central government. So secession which may be glamorous may not work out economically and politically. Even if Tamilnadu secedes what guarantee is there that other states will give water to TN ? Actually a separate TN will have to shell out more to get water and will not have recourse to supreme court judgments and tribunals to enforce Indian law to the limited extent we are doing now.
Stop being a cry baby please.
Stop being a cry baby please.
yogi- Posts : 207
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yogi wrote:If Tamilnadu secedes from India then it has to spend more on setting up its own armed forces (three wings) It has to have its own foreign embassies, ambassadors etc., Separate judicial systems, constitution has to be set up. All these expenses including education, health care has to be generated internally which will be enormous and not economically viable. Tamilnadu is a major contributor to India's GDP but still gets a share from the central government. So secession which may be glamorous may not work out economically and politically. Even if Tamilnadu secedes what guarantee is there that other states will give water to TN ? Actually a separate TN will have to shell out more to get water and will not have recourse to supreme court judgments and tribunals to enforce Indian law to the limited extent we are doing now.
Stop being a cry baby please.
I think that you are a well meaning fellow.
TN defense expenditures will be less than what it contrubutes to Indian military because India;s military expenditures are huge.
Much smaller countries have their own emassies, etc. and the cost is not much.
Writing a constitution for Tamil Nadu is a small fraction of its GDP.
As for water, Tamil Nadsu has certain rights for Cauvery water and it is recognized internationally. Why is India giving water to Pak and Bangla. It has international obligations.
Kayalvizhi- Posts : 3659
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LOL! and people here consider you fellow Indian Tamilian? What losers.
southindian- Posts : 4643
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Dhurandhar Bhatawdekar wrote:LOL! and people here consider you fellow Indian Tamilian? What losers.
i don't understand you. who are the losers?
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Kayalvizhi- Posts : 3659
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Kayalvizhi wrote:no.
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
Hey Kayar,
Why don't you get together with KCR's family and plot to separate Telangana along with your new country? Your LTTE can teach T-Naxals a thing or two and you will at least have a village in TN + Telangana to form a fourth world country.
Vakavaka Pakapaka- Posts : 7611
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I just mentioned a few aunty. There are so many other socio-economic vulnerabilities that will arise with the emergence of small countries like in this case TN. Limited diversification of local production and exports, high dependence on foreign markets, insufficient local resources et al.
yogi- Posts : 207
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Kayalvizhi wrote:
As for water, Tamil Nadsu has certain rights for Cauvery water and it is recognized internationally. Why is India giving water to Pak and Bangla. It has international obligations.
Why isn't China not giving water to Thailand, Vietnam, India, and Bangladesh?
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Kayalvizhi wrote:
As for water, Tamil Nadsu has certain rights for Cauvery water and it is recognized internationally. Why is India giving water to Pak and Bangla. It has international obligations.
Why isn't China not giving water to Thailand, Vietnam, India, and Bangladesh?
>>>>Look, you are missing the obvious here. Greater Eelam is not something you can compare with these nonentities in this off-the-cuff manner. For one thing, you will have Tensy Nelancilie who will be play Kissinger and then of course, there will be that certain benign guidance from Kaptain Pirebakeran from the hereafter. Who do you think is going to have the huevos to stand up to this superpower and deny it water? Nossir, not happening.
Kris- Posts : 5460
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Kayalvizhi wrote:no.
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
i am from TN and i am 'us'. but i am not with 'us'. so i am 'us' that is against 'us'.
ennavo po.
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bw wrote:Kayalvizhi wrote:no.
this article is valid until we liberate tamil nadu from indian rule. are you with us against us?
i am from TN and i am 'us'. but i am not with 'us'. so i am 'us' that is against 'us'.
ennavo po.
>>>Yeah 'us' is not thrilled about this future eelamite hegemony and living under the heel of tensi nelanquit and CayVi gov't. Preempt this now, I say!
Kris- Posts : 5460
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yogi wrote:I just mentioned a few aunty. There are so many other socio-economic vulnerabilities that will arise with the emergence of small countries like in this case TN. Limited diversification of local production and exports, high dependence on foreign markets, insufficient local resources et al.
Regarding river water, see this thread of how World Bank and International Court of Arbitration get involved in water dispute between Pak and India.
https://such.forumotion.com/t11375-this-is-what-will-happen-to-cauvery-water-if-tamil-nadu-is-freee-country
Tamil Nadu is not a small country. Over half the members of UN are smaller than TN. Malaysia and Singapore are smaller than "India" (or Tamil Nadu) bu have a much higher standard of living.
Soviet Union broke up. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (and some others) are much smaller than Tamil Nadu. They are doing well. So don't have the negative view that TN cannot survive. It will be better off as independent country because northern India is sucking the Rupees off Tamil Nadu now.
In these days of globalization small countries thrive.
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KV
how will you celebrate when your wish is granted by the indian govt?
how will you celebrate when your wish is granted by the indian govt?
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Captain Bhankas wrote:KV
how will you celebrate when your wish is granted by the indian govt?
>>> I am guessing Children's Day and Veteran's day will be merged.
Kris- Posts : 5460
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good one, kris. no laughing matter, though hence no "hahaha".
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Captain Bhankas wrote:good one, kris. no laughing matter, though hence no "hahaha".
>>>>I know. I thought of it too, but didn't mean it in a funny way. The sacrifice of children (among other innocents) by these megalomaniacs with impunity really bothered me.
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lungi wearing tamilians do not make the best horsemen -- marco polo. will your country defend itself like this?Kayalvizhi wrote:
TN defense expenditures will be less than what it contrubutes to Indian military because India;s military expenditures are huge.
akal ke dushman.
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Kayalvizhi wrote:
TN defense expenditures will be less than what it contrubutes to Indian military because India;s military expenditures are huge.
KV Uncle, if you create a country in your TN house, your defense expenditure will be even less. Right?
Get off Tamil Nadu and worry about your North American house.
Make sure you pay your mortgage on time, else you'll be thrown out of the house and will have nowhere to go.
southindian- Posts : 4643
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and one day KV's parents will retire and not contribute as much to the family. she will get rid of them too. lose all the mentally and physically challenged people from the new country.
by this logic she should have lost her brain too after it stopped working. oh wait she already did.
by this logic she should have lost her brain too after it stopped working. oh wait she already did.
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Huzefa Kapasi wrote:lungi wearing tamilians do not make the best horsemen -- marco polo. will your country defend itself like this?Kayalvizhi wrote:
TN defense expenditures will be less than what it contrubutes to Indian military because India;s military expenditures are huge.
akal ke dushman.
L M A O
LMAOOOOOOO
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