Did Telugus and Kannadigas decimate Tamil identity?

by Rishi Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:40 pm

Senthil calls the Dravidian movement “anti-Tamil”. Instead of targeting migrant settlers such as Telugus and Kannadigas, the Dravidian movement, he alleges, pitted Tamils against Brahmins, who were not invaders. “The war for Tamil identity should have been fought between Tamils and non-Tamils,” he contends.

Historians, reacting to the accusations that Telugu and Kannadiga migrant settlers had decimated Tamil identity, point out that the Nayaks in fact built a bulwark against Muslim invaders. “Constructing or shaping a history requires authenticity and documentation. Otherwise it will be a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration,” Lakshmanan said.

http://www.frontline.in/arts-and-culture/literature/pride-prejudice/article4894104.ece

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:08 pm

Rishi wrote:
Senthil calls the Dravidian movement “anti-Tamil”. Instead of targeting migrant settlers such as Telugus and Kannadigas, the Dravidian movement, he alleges, pitted Tamils against Brahmins, who were not invaders. “The war for Tamil identity should have been fought between Tamils and non-Tamils,” he contends.

Historians, reacting to the accusations that Telugu and Kannadiga migrant settlers had decimated Tamil identity, point out that the Nayaks in fact built a bulwark against Muslim invaders. “Constructing or shaping a history requires authenticity and documentation. Otherwise it will be a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration,” Lakshmanan said.

Dravidian movement is a political movement, which like every other movement, targets only people who are low in lumbers and relatively powerless.If the Dravidian movement had really targetted Telugus and Kannadas, Malayalees wont be too far - and these three are spread all over TN and easily can amount to some 20%. That would have meant an ealam-like civil war in TN, with Andhra and Karnataka and kerala jumping in.

http://www.frontline.in/arts-and-culture/literature/pride-prejudice/article4894104.ece

by truthbetold Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:37 pm

Rishi,
who is senthil? What are you trying to say by posting this article link?

by Rishi Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:14 pm

truthbetold wrote:Rishi,
who is senthil? What are you trying to say by posting this article link?

Read the article.

Senthil has written a book in which he says Pandiyas who were once rulers of parts of TN were from his caste. The Telugu and Kannadiga immigrants to TN a thousand years ago took over and made his caste poor and reduced them to the state of utter poverty.

I was wondering whether people like KV, yourself, MAX and Saamiyaar think about this.

by Guest Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:16 pm

wait, so dosa, sambhar, vada, even tamilnadu land doesn't belong to tambrams? Shocked

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:06 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:wait, so dosa, sambhar, vada, even tamilnadu land doesn't belong to tambrams?

This is a clear, pertinent and permanent threat to the Tambrahmi culture.

It is unacceptable and will never be tolerated.

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this Senthil dude just confirmed what I said earlier. If the "Dravidians" were to fight the kannidigas and telugus of 1000 years, it will be like the SL Tamil-Sinhala war (that is also a 1000 yr ethnic conflict).

One thing they forget is from the days of Chola, southie kinds were going north of Vellore, and Deccan kings have been coming down deep south. Besides, the Brits considered the entire area south of Vindhyas as madras Presidency, and thus people moved within the area considered their own.

if one were to follow this Senthil and KV, we will have to turn the clock back a 100 years and ask people to purify themselves of other castes and go back to their ancestral land.

History is good to study, research and know - but very bad to repeat.

by Rishi Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:08 pm

[b class="author " style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 9px 0px 0px; border: 0px; line-height: 17px; font-weight: bold;"]mookiahsubbiah [/b]6 days ago
congrats for the great book. First of all the term " scheduled caste" should mean "pazhangudiyinar" but not "thazhthpattor", "dalit" or "sc". These changes should be done in the gazette and also in the community certificates. Who are they to call pallars as dalits or thazhthapattor? Pallars are pallars.

by Rishi Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Mallars do not want to be called Dalits.

http://mallarsociety.blogspot.com/

A number of historians support the argument that the Pallar are the same community as that formerly called Mallar in the region
ORGIN:
According to ancient Sangam literature, the Pallar is an ancient group of people originating in the Marutam land. The land was said to be good for agriculture, and situated near a river. As they were the producers of food grains, they lived with self respect.. They claim themselves to be the descendants of Devendran (the god of Marutham)Land.Worship of God Devendran was popular in ancient Tamil Nadu.Their ancestory linkage to sangam age Devendran well explains their rich old heritage. Since they were known for charity,heading and presiding village panchayat meetings and being kind, they were referred to as kudumban; and for their ability to control flood, they were Velallar. From the available research on ancient Tamil paddy history and evolution, there is a strong paddy culture prevailing in Tamil Nadu – Marutha Nilam and it is a continuation of 5000 years old paddy cultivation heritage by native people (pallars).Their age old customs, festivals and day to day life activities supports their claim to be the first cultivators of rice in Tamil Nadu. So they prefer to call themselves Devendra Kula Vellalar
The ancient people were described as warriors and farmers. Their leader of the group, called the vendan(Indran) later was called the god of their land. It is argued with sufficient support of literature that the Pallars of today were actually known as Mallar belonging to the Dravidian race about 2300 years back and were the rulers of Tamil country. It is also asserted that they are the descendants of Pallavas who were ruling the Andhra and Tamil countries once. Putting all these qualities together, the Mallar (Pallar) call themselves Devendra Kula Velalar. There are over 84 branches among Pallars. The Mallar were called Pallar only after 15th century by more powerful tribes from other parts of South India with a view to degrading their social status

by Rishi Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:11 pm

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/state-bans-book-claiming-scheduled-caste-as-original-rulers-of-tamil-land/article4820915.ece

by truthbetold Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:36 pm

Rishi,
think about what? Think about how land changed hands in Tamil areas? Think about caste interactions of the last thousand years in tn?

I read the article. I am familiar with books and individuals with similar thinking. Dr. Innaiah of university of Hyderabad is one such example.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:47 pm

Telugus and Kannadigas decimate Tamil identity? rofl

You should ask Telugus and Kannadigas about who undermines their identity!!!

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