Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

truthbetold wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

finally fox news breaks news. that is really unexpected twist.
two things. this dk character never comes back to usa.
Indian govt should really clean up its payment act. it is a shame for a major democratic country to break law and expect.to get away with it.

nevada wrote:How was this(flying out of the US) possible? I thought she was safe only as long as she remained in the UN compound.

he revealed that she was "very recently" given diplomatic immunity status and has left the country. It's unclear who granted that status, and whether the State Department -- which had been trying to tamp down the controversy -- was involved.

truthbetold wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

finally fox news breaks news. that is really unexpected twist.
two things. this dk character never comes back to usa.
Indian govt should really clean up its payment act. it is a shame for a major democratic country to break law and expect.to get away with it.

truthbetold wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

finally fox news breaks news. that is really unexpected twist.
two things. this dk character never comes back to usa.
Indian govt should really clean up its payment act. it is a shame for a major democratic country to break law and expect.to get away with it.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

finally fox news breaks news. that is really unexpected twist.
two things. this dk character never comes back to usa.
Indian govt should really clean up its payment act. it is a shame for a major democratic country to break law and expect.to get away with it.

That's rubbish. Is it worse than interfering with another country's judicial system by whisking away citizens of another country on whom legal proceedings are underway . Did you think America did not break any laws of host countries when they brought  American diplomats, counselors that committed grave crimes (killing people) back to America.

I agree with you on Indian Govt. cleaning up their act. It might be cost effective to hire local help for Indian diplomats than bringing maids over from India. It saves them from lot of trouble/cost dealing with con artists like Sangeeta Richard.

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/prosecutor-indian-diplomat-indicted-on-visa-fraud-charge-but-has-left-us/

finally fox news breaks news. that is really unexpected twist.
two things. this dk character never comes back to usa.
Indian govt should really clean up its payment act. it is a shame for a major democratic country to break law and expect.to get away with it.

That's rubbish. Is it worse than interfering with another country's judicial system by whisking away citizens of another country on whom legal proceedings are underway . Did you think America did not break any laws of host countries when they brought  American diplomats, counselors that committed grave crimes (killing people) back to America.

I agree with you on Indian Govt. cleaning up their act. It might be cost effective to hire local help for Indian diplomats than bringing maids over from India. It saves them from lot of trouble/cost dealing with con artists like Sangeeta Richard.

Yes. They should rather deal with Con-Artists like DK and her father.

nevada wrote:
It is funny how in the case of the maid, there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But the corrupt, rule breaker diplomat is "defended" so vigorously by internet patriots. Indian govt won't hire local help abroad because they won't work extra hours for free and they cannot be threatened.

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:
It is funny how in the case of the maid, there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But the corrupt, rule breaker diplomat is "defended" so vigorously by internet patriots. Indian govt won't hire local help abroad because they won't work extra hours for free and they cannot be threatened.

-> So it only works one way? Doesn't this logic apply to DK? Was the maid or her family members strip searched and incarcerated? Before ascending Sangeeta Richrad to celestial like status you may want to take a look at the arguments and some facts from the other side too. Here are a few excerpts from Prabhu Dayal's  (former Consul General in New York) column

"For decades, domestic assistants accompanying our diplomats to the US have gone missing, preferring to stay there illegally and pursue their dollar dream"

"in 2010, New York state enacted the Domestic Workers Bill of Rights, after which there has been a spate of lawsuits filed by domestic workers. "

"Now, a few words about two earlier cases which took place in New York.

"Shanti Gurung worked as a housekeeper for Dr Neena Malhotra, Consul for over three years. I met her often as she would come to the consulate to attend functions such as Republic Day, Independence Day, Diwali, Baisakhi etc, as well as music concerts, and she was always happy and contented.

I was shocked when she went missing on the eve of Dr Neena's departure from New York on transfer, and even more shocked when she filed a lawsuit a year later against her employer alleging confinement, forced labour, slavery, illtreatment etc. No doubt, she did so to obtain a T Visa."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2528046/Fear-loathing-New-York-Former-diplomat-Prabhu-Dayal-reveals-Indian-envoys-US-fall-victim-maids-pursuing-American-dreams.html

nevada wrote:
So this shit has been happening for years and it is clear as mud that there is a risk of the help running away (with or without reason). Knowing all this if you still take a risk and bring in a maid from India, then don't cry uncle and raise a ruckus. 

nevada wrote:
DK is corrupt and implicated in one or two scams back in India. So I will definitely not think that she is an innocent victim. Sangitha doesn't have a prior criminal case or petty theft case or extortion case against her so I will not assume that she is a con artist. Just because she belongs to the underclass and a few domestic maids have resorted to green card scams, I will not assume that she is guilty of a similar scam.

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:
So this shit has been happening for years and it is clear as mud that there is a risk of the help running away (with or without reason). Knowing all this if you still take a risk and bring in a maid from India, then don't cry uncle and raise a ruckus. 

I believe 120 other countries practice the same, which is what caused all this ruckus, and this only seems to happen only in New York. I agree India should stop sponsoring for Domestic help but what would they do with Security Guards, well at least they can't take shelter under involuntary servitude

nevada wrote:
DK is corrupt and implicated in one or two scams back in India. So I will definitely not think that she is an innocent victim. Sangitha doesn't have a prior criminal case or petty theft case or extortion case against her so I will not assume that she is a con artist. Just because she belongs to the underclass and a few domestic maids have resorted to green card scams, I will not assume that she is guilty of a similar scam.

Sure, DK & her dad should be thoroughly investigated for those alleged scams. None of those maids involved in prior cases had any prior criminal back ground either, in fact that woman who worked for Prabhu Dayal went with him on other missions and worked for 5 years.

nevada wrote:
I don't like the "everybody does it" excuse. Everybody goes over the speed limit but only a few people get pulled over. If you go over the limit, be ready to be pulled over and don't whine and complain that life is unfair.

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:
I don't like the "everybody does it" excuse. Everybody goes over the speed limit but only a few people get pulled over. If you go over the limit, be ready to be pulled over and don't whine and complain that life is unfair.

I don't think Indian Govt. cried unfair it did exactly what America did to rescue their diplomats when they were in trouble. I don't view this as DK vs SR issue.

truthbetold wrote:
Cd,
thanks for posting this info. This is what Indians and many other nations go by. That is why Indian side was angry.
however as Nevada pointed there were indications of this agreement being slowly disposed of by Usa actions in past few years.
This case was complicated by devyanis desire to stick around for her family and few overzealous state Dept officials.

Lesson for India: saved by a whisker. Time to clean up. Kurshid did say that India will start cleaning up.

When a country sends diplomats abroad,  they pay daily allowances to cover living cost differences. It should apply to maids and security guards. That is the cost of doing business in Usa.  We may all end up paying more visa fees to pay adequate wages for sangerta.

truthbetold wrote:
Cd,
thanks for posting this info. This is what Indians and many other nations go by. That is why Indian side was angry.
however as Nevada pointed there were indications of this agreement being slowly disposed of by Usa actions in past few years.
This case was complicated by devyanis desire to stick around for her family and few overzealous state Dept officials.

Lesson for India: saved by a whisker. Time to clean up. Kurshid did say that India will start cleaning up.

When a country sends diplomats abroad,  they pay daily allowances to cover living cost differences. It should apply to maids and security guards. That is the cost of doing business in Usa.  We may all end up paying more visa fees to pay adequate wages for sangerta.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:
Cd,
thanks for posting this info. This is what Indians and many other nations go by. That is why Indian side was angry.
however as Nevada pointed there were indications of this agreement being slowly disposed of by Usa actions in past few years.
This case was complicated by devyanis desire to stick around for her family and few overzealous state Dept officials.

Lesson for India: saved by a whisker. Time to clean up. Kurshid did say that India will start cleaning up.

When a country sends diplomats abroad,  they pay daily allowances to cover living cost differences. It should apply to maids and security guards. That is the cost of doing business in Usa.  We may all end up paying more visa fees to pay adequate wages for sangerta.

and don't extend courtesies unilaterally to the diplomats of the nations that don't give a damn about your dips.[/quote
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cd
India needs Usa politically and economically. India offers goodies to Usa to get something from them. There is no such thing as equality in international relationships. So India should reassess and restart the healing process. It will take at least few months.

truthbetold wrote:I don't think Indian Govt. cried unfair it did exactly what America did to rescue their diplomats when they were in trouble. I don't view this as DK vs SR issue.