Rashmun wrote:What is your opinion on this article:


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140101/jsp/opinion/story_17737331.jsp

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:What is your opinion on this article:


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140101/jsp/opinion/story_17737331.jsp

>>> I glanced through the article. The post- 9/11 vulnerability of US missions abroad could and would have been a justifiable basis to provide this road closure and probably was okay even with the Swedes and the French at that time. As to whether that is still necessary depends on the current situation with respect to potential vulnerability. Personally, I don't think that this is the time to let this guard down. In this sense, the US shot itself in the foot with the DK affair. The author's claim notwithstanding, I think the opening up of the road is at least partly in retaliation to this and maybe to the actions around the India Mission in DC. I can see India being ticked off at the actions around the mission in DC, but I don't think much thought went into it on the American side (maybe that is worse in the sense that that smacks of arrogance). The DK affair has proved to be a setback for both sides. As I have said before, if it had been under the radar with DK being found guilty and declared persona non grata in the US, that would have been the end of the story with no broader implications. I don't think Bharara would have gone after her if he didn't have solid evidence. The weak link here was the media involvement and the strip search of a diplomat (to which India rightly took offense). She pretty much got a free pass because of that and it is going to be a long while before things get back on track. That is an expensive proposition for the US and in a sense, for India as well. I think India is more mature now to see this compared to the reflexive anti-US posture of the past. By the way, in terms of diplomatic rights, it is of course justifiable to consider reciprocity as one of the factors, as long as we are on guard for the pissing contest types at every turn.

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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>>>I read this article. I am sure there were guys at State who were ticked off at how this thing unfolded. As I said before, this is a classic case of the blind men and the elephant, with Ms. K's own doings becoming peripheral amidst all this brouhaha. I am sure this will become a major case study in International Relations classes on how things can go drastically wrong.

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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>>>I read this article. I am sure there were guys at State who were ticked off at how this thing unfolded. As I said before, this is a classic case of the blind men and the elephant, with Ms. K's own doings becoming peripheral amidst all this brouhaha. I am sure this will become a major case study in International Relations classes on how things can go drastically wrong.

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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>>>I read this article. I am sure there were guys at State who were ticked off at how this thing unfolded. As I said before, this is a classic case of the blind men and the elephant, with Ms. K's own doings becoming peripheral amidst all this brouhaha. I am sure this will become a major case study in International Relations classes on how things can go drastically wrong.

Kris, how do you assess this article:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/prabhu_chawla/columns/US-Must-Realise-that-India-Can-be-a-Friend-Only-as-an-Equal-and-Not-as-a-Follower/2014/01/12/article1995409.ece

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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>>>I read this article. I am sure there were guys at State who were ticked off at how this thing unfolded. As I said before, this is a classic case of the blind men and the elephant, with Ms. K's own doings becoming peripheral amidst all this brouhaha. I am sure this will become a major case study in International Relations classes on how things can go drastically wrong.

Kris, how do you assess this article:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/prabhu_chawla/columns/US-Must-Realise-that-India-Can-be-a-Friend-Only-as-an-Equal-and-Not-as-a-Follower/2014/01/12/article1995409.ece

i only read the first para, but got the gist of the usual indian media BS. it is very easy to turn that around and say, the indian media puts national pride first and pays no heed at all to this woman's corruption both in the US and long before she set foot in the US. she has been implicated in the adarsh scheme which the media has chosen to blissfully ignore in the broader discussion of her corruption.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

i only read the first para, but got the gist of the usual indian media BS. it is very easy to turn that around and say, the indian media puts national pride first and pays no heed at all to this woman's corruption both in the US and long before she set foot in the US. she has been implicated in the adarsh scheme which the media has chosen to blissfully ignore in the broader discussion of her corruption.

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Devyani-Khobragade-case-Top-US-leadership-feels-diplomat-row-most-stupid-thing-to-do/articleshow/28670392.cms

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>>>I read this article. I am sure there were guys at State who were ticked off at how this thing unfolded. As I said before, this is a classic case of the blind men and the elephant, with Ms. K's own doings becoming peripheral amidst all this brouhaha. I am sure this will become a major case study in International Relations classes on how things can go drastically wrong.

Kris, how do you assess this article:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/prabhu_chawla/columns/US-Must-Realise-that-India-Can-be-a-Friend-Only-as-an-Equal-and-Not-as-a-Follower/2014/01/12/article1995409.ece

confuzzled dude wrote: Anyway, did you read the article that I posted earlier.  see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. American couple committed much worse crimes than DK, pretty much destroyed that girls life still gotten away with slap on the wrist and I don't see any outcry from American media.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote: Anyway, did you read the article that I posted earlier.  see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. American couple committed much worse crimes than DK, pretty much destroyed that girls life still gotten away with slap on the wrist and I don't see any outcry from American media.

yes i did read it. they were tried in a court of law, found guilty, and are paying the restitution the court decided the woman deserves. the boston globe reported it. what's the problem? if you are asking why they were not arrested and strip searched, well the prosecuting attorney in this case was not preet bharara. i never said he is a saint.

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote: Anyway, did you read the article that I posted earlier.  see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. American couple committed much worse crimes than DK, pretty much destroyed that girls life still gotten away with slap on the wrist and I don't see any outcry from American media.

yes i did read it. they were tried in a court of law, found guilty, and are paying the restitution the court decided the woman deserves. the boston globe reported it. what's the problem? if you are asking why they were not arrested and strip searched, well the prosecuting attorney in this case was not preet bharara. i never said he is a saint.

My post, partially was in response to a) constant criticism of Indian judicial system b) comments like how corrupt DK's background was.

If she was perpetrator in Adarsh Scam, probably was victim in NY incident. We should separate those two issues and not confuse one issue with another. While US justice system fares much better than India's it is nowhere near perfect (I know you won't argue with that). Just as political/rich class in India gets away with slap on the wrist certain classes in US do too, for e.g. If you’re white, that joint probably won’t lead to jail time

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote: Anyway, did you read the article that I posted earlier.  see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. American couple committed much worse crimes than DK, pretty much destroyed that girls life still gotten away with slap on the wrist and I don't see any outcry from American media.

yes i did read it. they were tried in a court of law, found guilty, and are paying the restitution the court decided the woman deserves. the boston globe reported it. what's the problem? if you are asking why they were not arrested and strip searched, well the prosecuting attorney in this case was not preet bharara. i never said he is a saint.

My post, partially was in response to a) constant criticism of Indian judicial system b) comments like how corrupt DK's background was.

If she was perpetrator in Adarsh Scam, probably was victim in NY incident. We should separate those two issues and not confuse one issue with another. While US justice system fares much better than India's it is nowhere near perfect (I know you won't argue with that). Just as political/rich class in India gets away with slap on the wrist certain classes in US do too, for e.g. If you’re white, that joint probably won’t lead to jail time

>>>We need to be careful here. There is likely a discrepancy between the sentences for whites as compared to blacks and Hispanics. Asians (Indians included) are very likely not victims of this differential treatment. In DK's case, she most likely will get away in India or at best with a slap on the wrist for Adarsh,as is the case with politically connected people. She certainly got a free pass in the US solely because of this diplomatic row. If Bharara had gone about this quietly behind the scenes, she (or the GOI) would at least had to cough up some money, but of course she has got away now without this ever getting vetted out.