About Brahmins

by MulaiAzhagi Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:41 am

Stereotyping Brahmins as intelligent and a group exclusively focussed on education only creates resentment and unnecessary friction among Hindus in India.

From my experience, I have seen brilliant men and women from all castes, religions and races. The converse is also true. There are dullards in every group.

It may be that due to historical reasons, there could be a little higher percentage of educated people --not geniuses in the brahmin community.

Moreover, the British created the division in the Madras province as Brahmins and Non-Brahmins. It only made things worse.

IMO even if all the caste reservations are removed, the percentage of brahmins getting into colleges solely by merit is not going to dramatically increase. The gap has been narrowed. Most of the Indians have figured out that education is the way out of poverty.

by charvaka Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:52 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:Moreover, the British created the division in the Madras province as Brahmins and Non-Brahmins. It only made things worse.

Indeed, this is why the claim that brahmins were persecuted and lost their land starting 200 years ago is nonsensical.

by Guest Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:56 am

Caste based reservations will go sooner rather than later, but my suggestion is not to make this a brahmin vs non-brahmin issue. After all, any upper caste hindu--whether brahmin or not--is unable to benefit from the flawed and many would say fraudulent caste based reservation policy.

by Guest Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:00 am

Youth for Equality is an activist group opposed to caste based reservations, particularly caste based reservations for OBCs. The following is an interesting article from their site:

http://www.youthforequality.com/our-agenda/why-against-caste-based-reservation.aspx

by charvaka Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:03 am

Rashmun wrote:my suggestion is not to make this a brahmin vs non-brahmin issue. After all, any upper caste hindu--whether brahmin or not--is unable to benefit from the flawed and many would say fraudulent caste based reservation policy.

Correct... in many states, brahmins are not even the biggest group among the so-called "upper" castes.

by MulaiAzhagi Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:12 am

charvaka wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:Moreover, the British created the division in the Madras province as Brahmins and Non-Brahmins. It only made things worse.
Indeed, this is why the claim that brahmins were persecuted and lost their land starting 200 years ago is nonsensical.

===> I do not know about that.

May be they lost their lands. It could also be true that they were persecuted by Muslim kings who wanted to convert Hindus. They might have gone after them first since they were priests at that time.

My point is only regarding this 'intelligent brahmin' stereotype.

It is not based on reality. Any kid who is trained by his parent or teacher to be disciplined and study regularly is certainly going to be intelligent.

C.R. Rao one of the leading statisticians in the world is not a brahmin.

by charvaka Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:14 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:===> I do not know about that.

May be they lost their lands.

At least during British times, brahmins were a preferred group as government employees. That's not persecution, it is preferential treatment.

by Guest Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:20 am

charvaka wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:===> I do not know about that.

May be they lost their lands.
At least during British times, brahmins were a preferred group as government employees. That's not persecution, it is preferential treatment.

--> As were Kayasthas, and Mudaliars, and i am sure other castes.

by MulaiAzhagi Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:23 am

charvaka wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:===> I do not know about that.

May be they lost their lands.
At least during British times, brahmins were a preferred group as government employees. That's not persecution, it is preferential treatment.

===> Dr. Ambedkar says in his book that the British missionaries gave modern education to Brahmins thinking that they would convert. The Brahmin priests had such a hold on the other castes, the missionaries thought once the brahmins were converted, others would fall in line. Quite a few brahmins did cpnvert.

by Merlot Daruwala Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:52 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:My point is only regarding this 'intelligent brahmin' stereotype.

It is not based on reality. Any kid who is trained by his parent or teacher to be disciplined and study regularly is certainly going to be intelligent.

C.R. Rao one of the leading statisticians in the world is not a brahmin.

Beautiful breasted one, the hypothesis of the "intelligent brahmin" is not disproved by pointing to some accomplished non-Brahmin gentleman.

by truthbetold Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:27 am

This is my short response to both threads.
Carvaka - your responses were defensively and you are answering mythical questions. I did not push Beaumont persecution theory. Invaders first killed and later allowed Beaumont intellectuals to work for them. That iswhat happens to vanquished.

Sara - I may not dispute several facts stated by you andcharvaka. However the understanding you derive from them is diametrically different frommine. You are being protective.

Fact based social characterization and stereo typing are not the same. In some cases, correlation could strong.

by truthbetold Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:33 am

Spell check on my device seems to have its own mind. But you guys and girls can figure out what I meant.

I will try to respond in the evening to other challenges.

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