Hangout with Arvind

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Now that you changed your views on AAP, may be you can donate some money to them. 

Idéfix wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Now that you changed your views on AAP, may be you can donate some money to them. 

Guruvu-gaaru, why do you think that I "changed" my views on AAP? 

BTW, if you were a voter in Delhi, would you vote for BJP or AAP? 

PS: I already sent them my contribution. Hope you did as well!

Idéfix wrote:Guruvu-gaaru, what do you think of Kejriwal's allegations against Delhi BJP president Vijay Goel? 

http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/vijay-goel-to-file-criminal-complaint-against-arvind-kejriwal_879342.html

Delhi BJP president Vijay Goel will file a criminal complaint against AAP leader Arvind Kejriwal "in view of mischievous and baseless allegations of corruption" levelled by him. 

A BJP release on Wednesday said Goel served a legal notice of defamation on Kejriwal but the reply given by the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) leader lacked specific details of his allegations. 

Rishi wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

>>> This guy is far more effective than Jaiprakash Narayan of the Loksatta party.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Rishi wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

>>> This guy is far more effective than Jaiprakash Narayan of the Loksatta party.

Do you have any leaders like Kejriwal in TN? If you have them, will they succeed? JP may not do well in AP; the average voter seems to think that politicians can't do their job without being corrupt! The ones we hear of in TN (K'nidhi, Kani, Maran, Ramadas, Raja, Jaya, etc.), are all corrupt.

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

rawemotions wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

You are free to support whomever you want, but we all can do without your gratuitous advice!

AAP Kejriwal is NOT perfect, and his party setup has many issues. In many ways it is a Single issue party, and he is making up positions on other issues, as he goes forward.


What instead he is doing in Delhi is most likely help Congress win!, by cutting into Anti-Congress votes. Instead he could have achieved the same Jan Lokpal bill by forcing the BJP to commit to Jan Lokpal bill as a part of their manisfesto as a part of pre-poll alliance, given that Congress basically watered down his bill.

His agenda is NOT clear, beyond IAC,  in some ways that is dangerous. 

Regarding even corruption, Jan Lokpal Bill alone is not a comprehensive solution. It is unclear how he plans to enforce it, and for sustainability root out corruption that is ingrained into the Officialdom. It is good that Anna did  not sully his name by associating himself with AAP.
Moreover Bhushan folks who funded  Crores for the party have dubious credentials and extremely vague positions on issues of national interest.

rawemotions wrote:Instead he could have achieved the same Jan Lokpal bill, by forcing the BJP to commit to Jan Lokpal bill as a part of their manisfesto as a quid pro quo for an alliance, given that Congress basically watered down his bill.

Rishi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Rishi wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

>>> This guy is far more effective than Jaiprakash Narayan of the Loksatta party.

Do you have any leaders like Kejriwal in TN? If you have them, will they succeed? JP may not do well in AP; the average voter seems to think that politicians can't do their job without being corrupt! The ones we hear of in TN (K'nidhi, Kani, Maran, Ramadas, Raja, Jaya, etc.), are all corrupt.

Vakavaka

You are asking as if you hardly know anything about TN.

Thee is no one like Kejriwal in TN. Even if someone like him emerges, he is not going to get anywhere in TN.

Idéfix wrote:

rawemotions wrote:Instead he could have achieved the same Jan Lokpal bill, by forcing the BJP to commit to Jan Lokpal bill as a part of their manisfesto as a quid pro quo for an alliance, given that Congress basically watered down his bill.

Congress watered down his bill. Modiji pissed on it by forcing an even weaker Lokayukta bill through Gujarat assembly. And you think Kejriwal should make an alliance with BJP! Every time BJP supporters disparage Kejriwal, it becomes clearer to ordinary people that BJP is on the same side as Congress when it comes to corruption. So I encourage to keep criticizing AAP and Kejriwal.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Rishi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Rishi wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

>>> This guy is far more effective than Jaiprakash Narayan of the Loksatta party.

Do you have any leaders like Kejriwal in TN? If you have them, will they succeed? JP may not do well in AP; the average voter seems to think that politicians can't do their job without being corrupt! The ones we hear of in TN (K'nidhi, Kani, Maran, Ramadas, Raja, Jaya, etc.), are all corrupt.

Vakavaka

You are asking as if you hardly know anything about TN.

Thee is no one like Kejriwal in TN. Even if someone like him emerges, he is not going to get anywhere in TN.

I think AAP has become prominent because the leaders took bold steps and the agitation of Anna Hazare attracted international attention. People were fed up with corruption and when the time was right, Kejriwal, Hazare, Scindia, etc., took risks and became well-known.

JP is a cool, level-headed person. If you talk to him (I did), you will know that he is a deep thinker with a lot of administrative experience and innovative solutions to good governance. Unfortunately, he didn't do the heroics that Kejriwal and Hazare did. Also, he did his work only in SI, away from Delhi. Even in SI, people of TN & AP like emotional heroics and are not enthused by rational & cool intellectuals. In my view, JP would make a great PM for India because he will take decisions not on emotional grounds but on evidence, needs and rational policy making.

Idéfix wrote:Watched this with a bunch of AAP supporters today... check out the video. Also, consider donating some money. It looks like AAP stands a real chance of winning several seats in Delhi. This can be a great moment for political change in India -- do your part! 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LIVEAAP

rawemotions wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

rawemotions wrote:Instead he could have achieved the same Jan Lokpal bill, by forcing the BJP to commit to Jan Lokpal bill as a part of their manisfesto as a quid pro quo for an alliance, given that Congress basically watered down his bill.

Congress watered down his bill. Modiji pissed on it by forcing an even weaker Lokayukta bill through Gujarat assembly. And you think Kejriwal should make an alliance with BJP! Every time BJP supporters disparage Kejriwal, it becomes clearer to ordinary people that BJP is on the same side as Congress when it comes to corruption. So I encourage to keep criticizing AAP and Kejriwal.

I did not bring up AAP here, you were the one who has recommended AAP in the first place and asked for donation. I just pointed out issues in his party setup, his tactics, his inexperience and vagueness in his policy framework which makes his party unworthy of any donation. For the record i dont think any donation to him is going to help achieve Jan Lokpal Bill, the way he is going about it. I did not personally disparage Kejriwal. So please first correct your response!

You do not have the wherewithal to respond to my points. Instead you bring in Modi. Man this is a new low for you in terms of a debate. Looks like you folks dont know anything other than to keep repeating Modi's name. What Modi did or did not do in Gujarat is irrelevant here. 

If you have the guts, answer them, defend your party, otherwise please stop giving gratuitous advice. Nobody needs it!  I repeat all he is going to do, is add a few seats to Congress kitty, compared to the number they would have got had it been just BJP.  

Anyway your man has claimed that if not in majority he will NOT ally with anybody but will force elections again. Let us see what happens!