Quiz for SuCH experts

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:16 pm

What is YOUR definition of Communalism?

As per your definition why BJP AND Congress are communal or secular.

by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:39 pm

Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

1. this is not a dubya question. Also, muslims did not burn a train. if they did anything like that in the US. gun totting southern texans would have dragged them alive using their pickups as they do to the blacks.

2. you have not explained if Congress is secular or communal.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:10 pm

The average youngster in India is no longer lured by extremely brilliant and self-deprecating Indian scholars to do a bhajan on communalism and sikularism.

That is a very good sign. There is hope for India.

by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:58 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.
1. this is not a dubya question. Also, muslims did not burn a train. if they did anything like that in the US. gun totting southern texans would have dragged them alive using their pickups as they do to the blacks.

Duh! What do you think the 9/11 was

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
2. you have not explained if Congress is secular or communal.

Does Congress's manifesto includes building Ram Mandir in Ayodhya or Mosque or Church?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:21 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
2. you have not explained if Congress is secular or communal.
Does Congress's manifesto includes building Ram Mandir in Ayodhya or Mosque or Church?

So you are saying that Congress is the model secular party? Didn't Sonia say that Congress ALWAYS worked for upliftment of muslims and ALWAYS will work for muslims ? Did she say anything about hindus, sikhs, jains, etcc...don't they align with muslim parties?

by Guest Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:30 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.
1. this is not a dubya question. Also, muslims did not burn a train. if they did anything like that in the US. gun totting southern texans would have dragged them alive using their pickups as they do to the blacks.
Duh! What do you think the 9/11 was

Didn't america/bush go for two wars in the 9/11 aftermath? How many hundreds and thousands of muslims were killed because of that? Aren't muslims discriminated against after 9/11 in US? If you have a muslim name (my name is 'khan!!!') or you look like a muslim, aren't you scrutinized more at the airport security? Weren't you the one who was all agitated abt americans suspecting muslims by default after the boston bombings?

by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:43 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.
1. this is not a dubya question. Also, muslims did not burn a train. if they did anything like that in the US. gun totting southern texans would have dragged them alive using their pickups as they do to the blacks.
Duh! What do you think the 9/11 was

Didn't america/bush go for two wars in the 9/11 aftermath? How many hundreds and thousands of muslims were killed because of that? Aren't muslims discriminated against after 9/11 in US? If you have a muslim name (my name is 'khan!!!') or you look like a muslim, aren't you scrutinized more at the airport security? Weren't you the one who was all agitated abt americans suspecting muslims by default after the boston bombings?

How many Muslims were killed on American soil as a retaliation to 9/11? Did Dubya abet killing innocent Muslim citizens in an organized fashion?

by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:54 pm

"A few months after he became Gujarat's chief minister, a train carrying Hindu pilgrims caught fire while stopped outside the town of Godhra, killing 58. Hindus accused Muslim agitators of starting the fire, and weeks of retaliatory rioting ensued.

Mobs raped women, wrecked Muslim-owned homes and shops and hacked victims to death before torching their corpses. Mr. Modi's opponents, and some BJP leaders, criticized him for failing to stop the carnage.

A few months later, with emotions still running high, Mr. Modi dissolved the state legislature and called early elections. In campaign speeches, Mr. Modi portrayed the train fire as part of a wave of Islamist terror and implied that Gujarat's Muslims were a threat to Hindus' safety and livelihood.

Days before the polls, a state BJP official said: "This is not an election. This is religious war." The party won in a landslide."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303847804579477551152618852

-> Modi style Securalism..

by Guest Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.
1. this is not a dubya question. Also, muslims did not burn a train. if they did anything like that in the US. gun totting southern texans would have dragged them alive using their pickups as they do to the blacks.
Duh! What do you think the 9/11 was

Didn't america/bush go for two wars in the 9/11 aftermath? How many hundreds and thousands of muslims were killed because of that? Aren't muslims discriminated against after 9/11 in US? If you have a muslim name (my name is 'khan!!!') or you look like a muslim, aren't you scrutinized more at the airport security? Weren't you the one who was all agitated abt americans suspecting muslims by default after the boston bombings?

How many Muslims were killed on American soil as a retaliation to 9/11? Did Dubya abet killing innocent Muslim citizens in an organized fashion?

Thankfully, the 9/11 muslims were all foreigners, not american. In any case, so do you downplay Bush's retaliation for 9/11? Just one incident and thousands of muslims were killed.

America doesn't have a history of muslim invasions, muslim rulers' brutality, plundering and destruction of their religious places, and in recent times, frequent terrorist attacks for decades and appeasement of muslims by the politicians for vote bank politics, etc. If it were any other country, ppl would've lost their patience. But thankfully for the muslims, it is India!

by truthbetold Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:56 pm

While there were sporadic incidents of violence after 9/11, there were no organized and concentrated anti muslim violence. One reason is the muscular response by USA led by much despised GW.

In november 0f 2008, an extremely provocative attack happened on indian soil? how many muslims were killed in retaliation?

Between 1980 and 2013 how many terrorist incidents were reported in India? how many of those terrorist incidents resulted in retaliatory strikes on muslims? How many localities where Indian mujaheeden was caught were attacked?

If one carefully analyze the situation, one can learn that rarely does a terrorist strike leads to religious strife.

Communal strife in India occurs in and around muslim majority neighbourhoods for local, political and selfish reasons.

by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:07 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
How many Muslims were killed on American soil as a retaliation to 9/11? Did Dubya abet killing innocent Muslim citizens in an organized fashion?

Thankfully, the 9/11 muslims were all foreigners, not american. In any case, so do you downplay Bush's retaliation for 9/11? Just one incident and thousands of muslims were killed.

I'm neither downplaying American retaliation nor supporting Iraq war (would never do such a thing). There is a difference between going to war and carrying out genocide.

Kinnera wrote:
America doesn't have a history of muslim invasions, muslim rulers' brutality, plundering and destruction of their religious places, and in recent times, frequent terrorist attacks for decades and appeasement of muslims by the politicians for vote bank politics, etc. If it were any other country, ppl would've lost their patience. But thankfully for the muslims, it is India!

So... killing innocent people who have no ties whatsoever with the muslim invasions, plundering, destruction of religious places other than belonging to a certain community, is justified?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:16 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Didn't america/bush go for two wars in the 9/11 aftermath? How many hundreds and thousands of muslims were killed because of that? Aren't muslims discriminated against after 9/11 in US? If you have a muslim name (my name is 'khan!!!') or you look like a muslim, aren't you scrutinized more at the airport security? Weren't you the one who was all agitated abt americans suspecting muslims by default after the boston bombings?

How many Muslims were killed on American soil as a retaliation to 9/11? Did Dubya abet killing innocent Muslim citizens in an organized fashion?

Well... was there a riot in Gujarat following Bombay bombing? 11/26? was there a Riot in Gujarat following Akshardam mass killing?

Was there a riot following parliament bombing?

Was 9/11 was the handiwork of US muslims ? The amount of discrimnation against muslims, and anyone who looks like a muslim, sounds like a muslim is discriminated in jobs, airports, traffic cops, and if you think that is not revenge against muslims despite no fault of US muslims, then you are as biased and one-sided as any jehadi in the Ummah...

And you call yourself a moderate muslim and I now realize why even the so-called majority, moderate muslims will never side with a kafir or an infidel.

by confuzzled dude Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:03 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
How many Muslims were killed on American soil as a retaliation to 9/11? Did Dubya abet killing innocent Muslim citizens in an organized fashion?

Well... was there a riot in Gujarat following Bombay bombing? 11/26? was there a Riot in Gujarat following Akshardam mass killing?

Was there a riot following parliament bombing?

Was 9/11 was the handiwork of US muslims ? The amount of discrimnation against muslims, and anyone who looks like a muslim, sounds like a muslim is discriminated in jobs, airports, traffic cops, and if you think that is not revenge against muslims despite no fault of US muslims, then you are as biased and one-sided as any jehadi in the Ummah...

And you call yourself a moderate muslim and I now realize why even the so-called majority, moderate muslims will never side with a kafir or an infidel.

All those non-retaliation scenarios you brought up reiterate how dangerous NaMo is.

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:39 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

If Muslims in the U.S.A. wanted a separate law for their community, do you think Pres. Dubya or the Congess would allow it?

by confuzzled dude Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:46 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

If Muslims in the U.S.A. wanted a separate law for their community, do you think Pres. Dubya or the Congess would allow it?

What about anti-conversion laws Sevaji, especially the one passed in Gujarat about 10 years ago?

by SomeProfile Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:11 pm

Don't worry confused dude! Hundreds of millions of Indians are quite aware what is communalism, what is secularism and what is sickularism. That is why are they are gonna ensure that ab ki baar modi sarkar! clap

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:14 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

If Muslims in the U.S.A. wanted a separate law for their community, do you think Pres. Dubya or the Congess would allow it?
What about anti-conversion laws Sevaji, especially the one passed in Gujarat about 10 years ago?

What is wrong with the anti-conversion law?

iSlam - and the mullahs and Ummah - ban conversion of any muslim to another religion, while encouraging, enticing, and enforcing conversion from other religions into iSlam.

The anti=conversion law is necessary to provide a level playing field. In fact, Islam and mullahs themselves can ban conversion of other religionists into Islam - that will solve all problems and foster hindu-Muslim synthesis.

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:01 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

If Muslims in the U.S.A. wanted a separate law for their community, do you think Pres. Dubya or the Congess would allow it?
What about anti-conversion laws Sevaji, especially the one passed in Gujarat about 10 years ago?

CD-ji, you answer my question first and then I will answer yours.

by Seva Lamberdar Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:26 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Dubya, for all his shortcomings, after 9/11 stood behind American Muslims and protected them. Should a similar situation occur in India, do you think Modi would protect minorities in India, going by his track records, he won't.

If Muslims in the U.S.A. wanted a separate law for their community, do you think Pres. Dubya or the Congess would allow it?
What about anti-conversion laws Sevaji, especially the one passed in Gujarat about 10 years ago?

What is wrong with the anti-conversion law?

iSlam - and the mullahs and Ummah - ban conversion of any muslim to another religion, while encouraging, enticing, and enforcing conversion from other religions into iSlam.

The anti=conversion law is necessary to provide a level playing field. In fact, Islam and mullahs themselves can ban conversion of other religionists into Islam - that will solve all problems and foster hindu-Muslim synthesis.

Besides, as the Gita (Ch. 17 - V. 18-19) indicates that any religious activity (religious conversions are certainly used by some people as a part of religious activity and there is even the talk / promise about the converter and the converted going to heaven and reaping the rewards in the hereafter) involving bribe, harassment (including the denigration of others' faith) and threats to life belongs in the category of rajas (impure) and tamas (darkness).

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