what changes would you make to indian team for 4th test?

by truthbetold Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:56 am

Many things have been laid bare by the pathetic performance of indian test team. The irrefutable fact is current indian team has no world class batsmen or test class bowlers. Frankly they are not even playing with any motivation. These losses hurt more than 4-0 because the last hideout of flat track bullies is exposed as hallow. India is not in the same class as england.

Can india find some talent to replace the dead wood in the team?
Here are some replacements india could try. Rahane, tiwary, and badrinath. May be even mukund and vijay. Unmukt chand is another possibility. Who should go? Sachin and youraj. Kohli could be dropped for one test to wake him up. Gambhir and seheag should not feel secure either.
Dhoni must go after the series. Make pujara and kohli team leaders. Rebuild.
Yadav should be back in place of khan.
both ashwin and ojha could go but where are the replacements? Anil kumble?
bowling will remain a problem for a long time.

Dire situation. What would you do?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:17 am

truthbetold wrote: What would you do?

strip them of test playing nation status.

by The Absolute Zero Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:27 am

Series is lost. Period. Replace all the 12 and test new crop. Call it rest for the so called seniors and let go of the dirty waters. SA did that after World Cup loss and brought in Greeme smith as captain a few years ago. Throw away yuvi $kar dhoni sehwag Zaheer and all.

Team will suffer the next decade. They are suffering now anyway. So what?

What a shame!!! These guys talked about spin, brown wash and all that and now are staring at defeat in every match. Why is dhoni in team first of all? Disgusting bunch of guys. The Indian women play better than this bunch

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:33 am

The Absolute Zero wrote:Series is lost. Period. Replace all the 12 and test new crop. Call it rest for the so called seniors and let go of the dirty waters. SA did that after World Cup loss and brought in Greeme smith as captain a few years ago. Throw away yuvi $kar dhoni sehwag Zaheer and all.

Team will suffer the next decade. They are suffering now anyway. So what?

What a shame!!! These guys talked about spin, brown wash and all that and now are staring at defeat in every match. Why is dhoni in team first of all? Disgusting bunch of guys. The Indian women play better than this bunch

if you replace them with a new team and make no changes to the calendar in terms of amount of t20 cricket that they play, nothing will change. there is nothing wrong per se with the players, just that they are playing way too much t20 and way too little test cricket. maybe india will voluntarily make the choice to opt out of test cricket.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:17 pm

truthbetold wrote:Many things have been laid bare by the pathetic performance of indian test team. The irrefutable fact is current indian team has no world class batsmen or test class bowlers. Frankly they are not even playing with any motivation. These losses hurt more than 4-0 because the last hideout of flat track bullies is exposed as hallow. India is not in the same class as england.

Can india find some talent to replace the dead wood in the team?
Here are some replacements india could try. Rahane, tiwary, and badrinath. May be even mukund and vijay. Unmukt chand is another possibility. Who should go? Sachin and youraj. Kohli could be dropped for one test to wake him up. Gambhir and seheag should not feel secure either.
Dhoni must go after the series. Make pujara and kohli team leaders. Rebuild.
Yadav should be back in place of khan.
both ashwin and ojha could go but where are the replacements? Anil kumble?
bowling will remain a problem for a long time.

Dire situation. What would you do?

I did not see this thread. Surprisingly, I mentioned some of the same things here.

In short, the TEST mindset is simply non existent. The match is for 5 days for a reason.

Drop the dead and dying wood.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:19 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Drop the dead and dying wood.

that wouldn't do any good if you're replacing them which a bunch of noobs who have known nothing but glorified street cricket also known as t20.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:45 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Drop the dead and dying wood.

that wouldn't do any good if you're replacing them which a bunch of noobs who have known nothing but glorified street cricket also known as t20.

There were/are a few Test-material players who play long in ranji (we only have Ranji to go by), Manjoj Tiwary, Manish Pandey (karnataka), Mukund, Rahane, Bist, and there are plenty. They tend to play long in the middle. I know Ravindra jadeja is not a preferred guy - but even he stays (certainly tries) to stay long in the middle. he is only 24, and too early to write him off. Parthiv is only 25 and certainly cannot do worse than Dhoni. Instead of shuffling the same Glorified cricketers, they should do a maha cleaning.

Bowling is REALLY worrying. the fast ballers show glimpses of promise and disappear - RP Singh, Irfan, and now Ishant, Umkumt Chand, etc...

by nevada Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:57 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote: What would you do?

strip them of test playing nation status.

+1

There is no place among test playing nations for these T20 junkies.

by nevada Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:02 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Drop the dead and dying wood.

that wouldn't do any good if you're replacing them which a bunch of noobs who have known nothing but glorified street cricket also known as t20.

There were/are a few Test-material players who play long in ranji (we only have Ranji to go by), Manjoj Tiwary, Manish Pandey (karnataka), Mukund, Rahane, Bist, and there are plenty. They tend to play long in the middle. I know Ravindra jadeja is not a preferred guy - but even he stays (certainly tries) to stay long in the middle. he is only 24, and too early to write him off. Parthiv is only 25 and certainly cannot do worse than Dhoni. Instead of shuffling the same Glorified cricketers, they should do a maha cleaning.

Bowling is REALLY worrying. the fast ballers show glimpses of promise and disappear - RP Singh, Irfan, and now Ishant, Umkumt Chand, etc...

I think you meant Umesh Yadav. It is sad that he breaks down after every 1-2 matches. His pace companion from last year's WI series - Varun Aaron has been out for a year already with injury. BCCI should take them out of IPL like the Aussie selectors do.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:05 pm

what happened to r.p.singh, v.r.v.singh, munaf patel, irfan pathan, laxmipathy balaji, and sreesanth?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:37 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:what happened to r.p.singh, v.r.v.singh, munaf patel, irfan pathan, laxmipathy balaji, and sreesanth?

I guess they are all injured except during the IPL season.

Balaji is still playing and among the wickets captaining TN

by confuzzled dude Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:07 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
there is nothing wrong per se with the players, just that they are playing way too much t20 and way too little test cricket.

You're right about way too much t20 but I'm afraid wrong on the other count that nothing wrong with the players. I think they have no incentive to play hard in the test matches (after making millions in IPL) so they're not showing any hunger, their attitude is very different towards test matches. May be they should pick completely different team for each version or stop playing test matches as you alluded.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:20 am

The idea that india should give up test cricket seems to be one of those emotional reactions that can be ignored. Other countries play t20 and face similar consequences.
There is no denying that indian bowling talent pool is really shallow. Test class bowling of zaheer and harbhajan of previous years is now gone. None showed up in the past 5 years. A bowler takes several years to develop and last fours ipl money could not have impacted player development before 2008.
india may not find another sachin or dravid or laxman but it does throw occassional batting talent. Indian batting will reshape itself in coming years.
But indian bowling and fielding will remain problems.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:44 am

truthbetold wrote:Other countries play t20 and face similar consequences.

no other country plays this much t20. and no other country lionizes their batsmen while kicking the bowlers to the curb treating them like so much cannon fodder. it has always been that way. it's a miracle that kumble flourished in as shitty a bowling culture as we have. right now there are only three things wrong with the indian team -- can't bat, bowl, or field.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:02 am

Max,
Instead of throwing baby with bath water, the cure for Indian cricketing woes is to rationalize t20 structure.
T20 generates money. So going by capitalistic and democratic spirit, it is here to stay. For all the drama ipl produces India is now among bottom half of t20 playing test nations.

Bcci will change when they see that test performances give the glamor to t20 and a continuously flopping test side will dry up the money line.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:55 am

Zaheer, Yuvraj and Bhajji dropped for the next test. Parvinder Awana, Ravindra Jadeja and Piyush Chawla are in.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:07 pm

Confused,
Dhoni must go also. At the end of this tour sachin hopefully ends the misery.
Fletcher and his team must be dumped.
Even though Segway or gambhir may not ideal leaders, India may have to work under that leadership team while they groom Kolli and pujara.
An entire new new set of faces must be brought in.
Not that it would have made any difference but selectors should have dropped Ashwin to show a last minute heroics are not enough to keep test places. India must demand consistent high level performances from these extremely high paid professionals.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:28 pm

truthbetold wrote:Confused,
Dhoni must go also. At the end of this tour sachin hopefully ends the misery.
Fletcher and his team must be dumped.
Even though Segway or gambhir may not ideal leaders, India may have to work under that leadership team while they groom Kolli and pujara.
An entire new new set of faces must be brought in.
Not that it would have made any difference but selectors should have dropped Ashwin to show a last minute heroics are not enough to keep test places. India must demand consistent high level performances from these extremely high paid professionals.

Agree... they need to weed out the failed(ing) Oldies for the new group to take hold and grow. Dhoni should be judged by his own performance first as a PLAYER, which should be a necessary requirement to be in the team. He and SRT should be dumped. All these guys are preventing a whole generation of promising young players from playing.

What a selfish bunch of power and money hungry guys. If these guys can select themselves, why have a selection team?

by truthbetold Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:08 pm

4th test team may have three spinners and two seamers. Jadeja could replace yuvraj , Ashwin and ojha retain places. I would like to see dinda and Awana be tried. It is a riskier approach but since india is exposed to the core what is the loss?
I wish one of sachin, dhoni , Kolli, gambhir discovers a hidden injury and drops out allowing a new batsman to come in.

I consider the fourth test as lost since India lost the series morally already. Dhoni should not be allowed to claim a drawn series using a good performance or two from this team. This test must be used as a first step to rebuild Indian team.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:19 pm

my prediction: nothing will change consistently, no matter what personnel changes you make, replacing one set of non performers with another, until the basic problem is addressed, i.e. a more reasonable playing calendar and scaling back of t20. addressing the symptoms of the underlying malaise could produce some short term victories, a game here or there, but will do nothing to change the basic malignancy of the long term disease.

someone with a brain, testicular fortitude, and influence with the BCCI ought to be speaking truth to power. who could do that? there are two recently retired fine specimens of indian cricketing manhood -- messers kumble and dravid. my bet is on them to do something about it.

p.s: as an indian cricket fan, still, i wish the managing body of the team that i support would tell me one way or the other that they are serious about test cricket. i don't mind either result. i just want to know which. what i dislike more than anything is the pretending.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:31 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

someone with a brain, testicular fortitude, and influence with the BCCI ought to be speaking truth to power. who could do that? there are two recently retired fine specimens of indian cricketing manhood -- messers kumble and dravid. my bet is on them to do something about it.

because lord knows the likes of sunil gavaskar, vengsarkar, ravi shastri, krishnamachari pussykkanth, and saurav ganguly are going to do nothing about it.

by nevada Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:35 pm

From players' perspective, "saving" themselves for IPL makes perfect sense monetarily. Test cricket is not glamorous and won't fetch much advertising money, and only 11 players get a chance whereas T-20 provides more opportunities. Is it time for classic test cricket fans to accept the current situation as a sign of the times and move on?
Mechanical watches are "real" watches but they got replaced due to the quartz revolution. Quartz watches themselves are not worn much due to everyone having a cell phone now.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:46 pm

nevada wrote:Is it time for classic test cricket fans to accept the current situation as a sign of the times and move on?

that's perfectly reasonable. there are england, australia, and south africa who will always be serious about test cricket. we can always watch them and enjoy the test cricket they play.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:27 pm

nevada wrote:From players' perspective, "saving" themselves for IPL makes perfect sense monetarily. Test cricket is not glamorous and won't fetch much advertising money, and only 11 players get a chance whereas T-20 provides more opportunities. Is it time for classic test cricket fans to accept the current situation as a sign of the times and move on?
Mechanical watches are "real" watches but they got replaced due to the quartz revolution. Quartz watches themselves are not worn much due to everyone having a cell phone now.

The IPL fame comes from either Test or Ranji exposure. Under 19 also plays a role.

It is time that BCCI raise monetary rewards for Ranji and U-19 dramatically so that competition is centered around Ranji - the 4-day game. This will make players put in some efforts in a lonbger format. The phoreners also play county and IPL but they dont seem to suffer from THIS T20 syndrome. They play their county and Shield tournaments with gusto and lives.

IPL players who dont play Ranji or Test cricket dont get much exposure and not much money. So bring back the emphasis on Ranji and make that central to Indian cricket.

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