india - england summer 2014 test series

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:05 am

1st test, first session 106/1. decent start.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:50 am

pujara goes promptly second ball after lunch.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:57 am

and a few balls later kohli edges one swinging away to slips and goes for one. what a waste of a wkt! could have easily left that one alone. it didn't pitch anywhere near off. let's see how this five bowlers idea works. why jadeja over ashwin? and why stuart binny?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:42 am

177/3 @ tea. managed to stave off further rot. decent scoring clip too.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:38 am

finally MV got to his hundred after 13 balls on 99. good ton under pressure. hope he keeps going. we need a really big one from him today.

by Guest Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:53 am

I am also having lunch alone at chopstix. Am somewhat pleased coz eating in saves me 4 bucks.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:28 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:and a few balls later kohli edges one swinging away to slips and goes for one. what a waste of a wkt! could have easily left that one alone. it didn't pitch anywhere near off. let's see how this five bowlers idea works. why jadeja over ashwin? and why stuart binny?

He made a 99 in one of those "practice matches." But, why is he even in the team ? He is 30 and bowls at Dhoni's pace, and not even a big force in Ranji.

But, his dad Roger Binny is a national selector.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:17 pm

have to call that even honors at stumps. flattish wicket compared to the usual english pitches. the commentators kept complaining about the wicket, but at one stage it looked like india were in deep trouble. good rebuilding by vijay and dhoni.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:17 pm

Well... end of day. Looks like India has been extra careful not to repeat their usual first test/day 1 debacle.

259/4 is a great score for Day 1 of Test 1 for a touring team.

Hopefully Jadeja will begin his "batsman-ship" from here. If Binny and Kumar add 50 to 60 it will be a decent score.

by nevada Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:54 pm

Congrats to Vijay but watch out tomorrow for the usual early morning collapse. And if India can bat without much trouble on this pitch, then England might end up scoring 600-700.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:38 am

410/9 ? The last pair has put on some 60+ runs...and playing the fast bowlers with aplomb.

The Kholi+Jadeja+Binny+Sharma should learn something from this pair.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:04 am

Ishant did well but Broad guy is spoiling

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:10 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Ishant did well but Broad guy is spoiling

gone.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:08 pm

what's stuart binny in the team for? he scored one run in his brief innings and has bowled five measly overs through the entire england innings.

by nevada Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:20 pm

Binny recently was MOM in a ODI in B'desh, taking 6 wickets for 2 runs or something like that - the best ODI bowling figures by an Indian bowler. With the team thinking of going with a 5 bowler strategy but still wanting said 5th bowler to be a handy batsman, he was picked. Now, when they have a batting allrounder(atleast on paper) in Binny, why do they need Jadeja? Why can't they pick a real bowler like Ojha who hasn't had a single chance to play outside the sub continent?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:23 pm

nevada wrote:Binny recently was MOM in a ODI in B'desh, taking 6 wickets for 2 runs or something like that - the best ODI bowling figures by an Indian bowler. With the team thinking of going with a 5 bowler strategy but still wanting said 5th bowler to be a handy batsman, he was picked. Now, when they have a batting allrounder(atleast on paper) in Binny, why do they need Jadeja? Why can't they pick a real bowler like Ojha who hasn't had a single chance to play outside the sub continent?

but it looks like he doesn't have the captain's confidence. dhoni is refusing to throw the ball to him.

by nevada Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:45 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
nevada wrote:Binny recently was MOM in a ODI in B'desh, taking 6 wickets for 2 runs or something like that - the best ODI bowling figures by an Indian bowler. With the team thinking of going with a 5 bowler strategy but still wanting said 5th bowler to be a handy batsman, he was picked. Now, when they have a batting allrounder(atleast on paper) in Binny, why do they need Jadeja? Why can't they pick a real bowler like Ojha who hasn't had a single chance to play outside the sub continent?

but it looks like he doesn't have the captain's confidence. dhoni is refusing to throw the ball to him.

I think that is a good point. Raina was captain in that recent BD series. Looks like Dhoni wants him to be a batsman rather than a bowler.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:05 pm

Binny bowls as fast as Dhoni. That BD match bowling was a fluke. He scored a 0 and bowled 5 overs... total waste.

Rohit sharma was a decent back up off spinner and could have easily helped - that too when Ashwin is absent. Rohit is also a good fielder and a better batsman than Binny - any day.

Another 2 days and Binny test career will be over.

by truthbetold Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:05 pm

This test should end in a draw as the pitch seems to be dead. Collapse of one side or other is always possible. Indian batting could like they did in Sydney some years ago.

Tailenders played well on both sides? Why? They do not take chances? Do bowlers relax? or batting side gets wiser as they lose wickets?

by southindian Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:15 am

Anyone still following this crap? I'm happy I'm done with cricket. A look at my daily feed says England 460+ for 9 and their last wicket playing for ever.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:12 am

Damn! they're going to add 200 runs for the last wicket. James Anderson might score a ton. What should have been 200 runs deficit has turned into 30 runs lead.

by Maria S Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:37 am

Good Morning Mr. CD!

Don't know much about, or follow Cricket..

Just saying hello..to you:)

Have a good day!

by confuzzled dude Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:43 am

Maria S wrote:Good Morning Mr. CD!

Don't know much about, or follow Cricket..

Just saying hello..to you:)

Have a good day!

Good Morning Maria.

by truthbetold Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:57 am

Paraphrasing a comment from cricinfo. Should Indian fans be upset that bowlers allowed 200 plus partnership for the last wicket or should they be happy that bowlers were able to get 9 wickets for less than 300.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:36 am

Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

by nevada Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:03 am

truthbetold wrote:Paraphrasing a comment from cricinfo. Should Indian fans be upset that bowlers allowed 200 plus partnership for the last wicket or should they be happy that bowlers were able to get 9 wickets for less than 300.

Neither. They should be aware that Indian bowling sucks and this is a normal result for them.

by nevada Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:29 pm

Just looked at the full scorecard and pissant has outscored Vijay - just like I expected him to. Consistency is his forte!

by truthbetold Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:07 pm

Draw seems to be expected result. However India can manage a loss or crisis by losing few quick wickets at any time. Not much chance of England losing.

Kohli, Rahane should exploit the opportunity and score centuries for selfish reasons.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:53 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.

by nevada Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:16 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.

Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:19 pm

nevada wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.
Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

Also not a good idea to try too many newbies - Dhawan, Rahane, Binny, Jadeja Vijay, Kohli on a foreign tour - like UK. None of them has much exposure in UK and it is high risk. Not more than 2 at a time and that too in a 5 test series...

This is not Zimbby or Bangla - u know - to send B team to win the series. Already India's bowling is worthy of a "C" Team.

by truthbetold Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:03 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
nevada wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.
Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

Also not a good idea to try too many newbies - Dhawan, Rahane, Binny, Jadeja Vijay, Kohli on a foreign tour - like UK. None of them has much exposure in UK and it is high risk. Not more than 2 at a time and that too in a 5 test series...

This is not Zimbby or Bangla - u know - to send B team to win the series. Already India's bowling is worthy of a "C" Team.

Rahane, Jadeja, and Kohli are Indian A team. Dhawan and Jadeja are regulars but with options such as out of form Gambhir and cannot bowl outside india Ashwin. Not much choice.

Agree on Indian bowling. It is worse than any of the top 8 eight teams and even BGD and Zim. Once a batsmen is set and plays with a little sense, India has no ideas to get him out. Dhoni blanks out as seen in NZ and now in england (and a hundered times before).

by truthbetold Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:33 am

As expected indian batsmen created a mini crisis and required B teamers Binney and B singh to rescue them.

Dhoni was right not to declare today. His bowlers got only three days to recover from all the batting. Lord's could see a result.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:43 am

Now Binny will be in the team for another 4 tests.

He is NOT a bowler - despite his BD heroics. Get a real batsman. Not much of a fan of Rohit but he is a much better batsman than Binny and can bowl off spinners to give the fast bowlers some needed rest.

Bring Gambhir in and Dhawan out. The guy with his temperament can easily get back into form. YOu dont just dump a guy who could play for 3 days in Australia. Remember, I was anti-Gambhir before that aussie tour.
I think Dhoni is keeping out Gambhir for ulterior motive and past politics.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:44 am

truthbetold wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
nevada wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Does this Dhawan guy has temperament to survive in test cricket? It appears as though he just wants to emulate Sehwag than being himself.

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.
Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

Also not a good idea to try too many newbies - Dhawan, Rahane, Binny, Jadeja Vijay, Kohli on a foreign tour - like UK. None of them has much exposure in UK and it is high risk. Not more than 2 at a time and that too in a 5 test series...

This is not Zimbby or Bangla - u know - to send B team to win the series. Already India's bowling is worthy of a "C" Team.
Rahane, Jadeja, and Kohli are Indian A team. Dhawan and Jadeja are regulars but with options such as out of form Gambhir and cannot bowl outside india Ashwin. Not much choice.

Agree on Indian bowling. It is worse than any of the top 8 eight teams and even BGD and Zim. Once a batsmen is set and plays with a little sense, India has no ideas to get him out. Dhoni blanks out as seen in NZ and now in england (and a hundered times before).

-> Jadeja is "A" team caliber, really?

"Normally, spin would be India's sure thing. No longer is that case if Ravindra Jadeja is deemed your best spinner. It smacks of something extremely odd. Jadeja can bat, often flamboyantly and recklessly, and as a leftie at No. 7 he can do some damage. But his left-arm spin is nothing short of ordinary. At best he is a third-choice spinner in Indian conditions, where three are often needed. "

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/759659.html

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:15 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
nevada wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Gambhir should open with Vijay. Period.
Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

Also not a good idea to try too many newbies - Dhawan, Rahane, Binny, Jadeja Vijay, Kohli on a foreign tour - like UK. None of them has much exposure in UK and it is high risk. Not more than 2 at a time and that too in a 5 test series...

This is not Zimbby or Bangla - u know - to send B team to win the series. Already India's bowling is worthy of a "C" Team.
Rahane, Jadeja, and Kohli are Indian A team. Dhawan and Jadeja are regulars but with options such as out of form Gambhir and cannot bowl outside india Ashwin. Not much choice.

Agree on Indian bowling. It is worse than any of the top 8 eight teams and even BGD and Zim. Once a batsmen is set and plays with a little sense, India has no ideas to get him out. Dhoni blanks out as seen in NZ and now in england (and a hundered times before).

-> Jadeja is "A" team caliber, really?

"Normally, spin would be India's sure thing. No longer is that case if Ravindra Jadeja is deemed your best spinner. It smacks of something extremely odd. Jadeja can bat, often flamboyantly and recklessly, and as a leftie at No. 7 he can do some damage. But his left-arm spin is nothing short of ordinary. At best he is a third-choice spinner in Indian conditions, where three are often needed. "

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/759659.html

It takes much effort and guts to be a spinner in these days of IPL. Jadeja - with 3 triple hundreds in first class - was suposed to be a STRONG middle order bat. Somehow that never materialized and ended up being a better spinner than expected (not really that great).

Somehow, all teams seem to think a pure spinner is a wasted position. Murali Karthik was the last genuine spinner - and not a bad batsman - with considerable county cricket experience. He is still slim and very fit, and at 37 can still bowl long spells (is he still playing for Railways?). Perhaps, he should be drafted as a spinner for 2 or 3 years time enough to groom a real spinner.

But will not happen.

by nevada Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:59 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
nevada wrote:
Yeah, time to give Gambhir another chance.

Also not a good idea to try too many newbies - Dhawan, Rahane, Binny, Jadeja Vijay, Kohli on a foreign tour - like UK. None of them has much exposure in UK and it is high risk. Not more than 2 at a time and that too in a 5 test series...

This is not Zimbby or Bangla - u know - to send B team to win the series. Already India's bowling is worthy of a "C" Team.
Rahane, Jadeja, and Kohli are Indian A team. Dhawan and Jadeja are regulars but with options such as out of form Gambhir and cannot bowl outside india Ashwin. Not much choice.

Agree on Indian bowling. It is worse than any of the top 8 eight teams and even BGD and Zim. Once a batsmen is set and plays with a little sense, India has no ideas to get him out. Dhoni blanks out as seen in NZ and now in england (and a hundered times before).

-> Jadeja is "A" team caliber, really?

"Normally, spin would be India's sure thing. No longer is that case if Ravindra Jadeja is deemed your best spinner. It smacks of something extremely odd. Jadeja can bat, often flamboyantly and recklessly, and as a leftie at No. 7 he can do some damage. But his left-arm spin is nothing short of ordinary. At best he is a third-choice spinner in Indian conditions, where three are often needed. "

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/759659.html

It takes much effort and guts to be a spinner in these days of IPL. Jadeja - with 3 triple hundreds in first class - was suposed to be a STRONG middle order bat. Somehow that never materialized and ended up being a better spinner than expected (not really that great).

Somehow, all teams seem to think a pure spinner is a wasted position. Murali Karthik was the last genuine spinner - and not a bad batsman - with considerable county cricket experience. He is still slim and very fit, and at 37 can still bowl long spells (is he still playing for Railways?). Perhaps, he should be drafted as a spinner for 2 or 3 years time enough to groom a real spinner.

But will not happen.

Did you forget Ojha?

by truthbetold Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:39 pm

Indian spinners (ashwin, Ojha, and Jadeja) contributed no significant wicket taking performance in the last four years in Australia, England, WI, NZ and south africa. Best is the six wicket performance by Jadeja, an exception. Ojha only played against Srilanka and BGD.

of course none of the other indian bowlers did any wonders. But the speed team got few wickets.

Contrary to what data indicates, India should give Ashwin a chance. he is the best spinner india got and let him get some chances just to see if he can develop the ability to take couple of wickets and provide variety in overseas tests. Kind of rope given to rohit sharma in ODIs.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:51 pm

Looks we've found an all rounder in Bhuvaneswar, scored 2 fifties and took a 5-for Smile

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:58 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Looks we've found an all rounder in Bhuvaneswar, scored 2 fifties and took a 5-for

He is only 24 and plays copy-book strokes like a regular batsman. He is likely to improve given his temperament and staying power under pressure. Hopefully, he continues to improve his bowling. He will never be super fast and hence must sharpen and maintain his swinging skills and develop an off or leg cutter to go with his swing.

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:33 pm

time to bring back gambhir. i think we've seen enough of dhawan.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:25 am

Good going Bhuvneswar..

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:54 am

We the Indians pledge to make Ballance a great #3 batsman and Ali a great Allrounder by the end of this tour.

And, maintain our reputation as great Kingmakers.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:59 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

We the Indians pledge to make Ballance a great #3 batsman and Ali a great Allrounder by the end of this tour.

And, maintain our reputation as great Kingmakers.

come on that's unfair. we have had some decent breakthroughs. he is an england #3. why would you expect that england would have an easy wicket in their team as #3? we have to work the other end.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:00 pm

ballance gone after a century. new ball promptly produces a wkt.

by nevada Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:38 pm

Damn, Binny has disappointed me! And Shami too. Pissant can never be a disappointment because he is unqualified to be appointed ever.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:06 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:ballance gone after a century. new ball promptly produces a wkt.

Was it new ball ? Did Jadeja bowl with a new ball? Both wickets are for Vijay and Jadeja.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:31 am

looks like dhawan cannot control his impulsive shot making square of the wicket on the off side. was looking good until he flashed his blade.

by truthbetold Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:22 am

Pitch is drying is the common wisdom. A 400 score would give India a good chance.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:56 am

It's good to see batsmen grind it out against tidy bowling; a welcome breather from nonsense called tontey-tontey.

Can anyone besides Bhuvnsewar is capable of taking wickets? Shami is a bit of disappointment thus far, but he & Ishant appears to have supported Bhuvaneswar well with decent tight spells. I guess that's it for for Binny, he was unlucky to be given out lbw incorrectly though.

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