Hindi in Tamil Nadu: A Tamilian teaches his daughter Hindi

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i agree that the CBSE is better for a student aiming to write competitive exams. the reason to study in a CBSE school however has absolutely nothing to do with hindi, but the superior math, phys, and chem syllabi.

secondly it is a canard that you cannot study hindi if you wanted to in a state board school. i studied in TN state board schools a full two decades after the hindi agitations and hindi was very much available as an option in addition to tamil and french in my school. please stop lying or cut-and-pasting from unreliable sources.

MulaiAzhagi wrote:
We need a survey about the leaders of the DMK party.

How many of their children have been tutored in Hindi?

I bet plenty of them.

Kanimozhi has passed the vishaarad level of the exams conducted by the Dakshin Bharathiya Hindi prachar sabha. This is almost the level of a Hindi pundit.

She also knows Sanskrit very well.

There is a lot of hypocrisy.

What about the poor in TN who want to learn Hindi but cannot afford to hire private tutors?

Rashmun wrote:Max, please respond to MulaiAzhagi's post.

MulaiAzhagi wrote:
We need a survey about the leaders of the DMK party.

How many of their children have been tutored in Hindi?

I bet plenty of them.

Kanimozhi has passed the vishaarad level of the exams conducted by the Dakshin Bharathiya Hindi prachar sabha. This is almost the level of a Hindi pundit.

She also knows Sanskrit very well.

There is a lot of hypocrisy.

What about the poor in TN who want to learn Hindi but cannot afford to hire private tutors?

https://such.forumotion.com/t6531-tamil-supremacists-or-lunatics

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't know what he means by an optional subject. i studied in interior TN in state board schools till class 10. in TN state board, in the years i was in K-12, you had to study one other language besides english. in the interior TN town where i studied, no option was available other than tamil. i don't know what the situation was in chennai schools for grades K-10. i moved to chennai for grades 11 & 12. where i went to school in chennai, hindi was available as one of the language options besides tamil and french. i chose to study tamil.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Max, please respond to MulaiAzhagi's post.

MulaiAzhagi wrote:
We need a survey about the leaders of the DMK party.

How many of their children have been tutored in Hindi?

I bet plenty of them.

Kanimozhi has passed the vishaarad level of the exams conducted by the Dakshin Bharathiya Hindi prachar sabha. This is almost the level of a Hindi pundit.

She also knows Sanskrit very well.

There is a lot of hypocrisy.

What about the poor in TN who want to learn Hindi but cannot afford to hire private tutors?

https://such.forumotion.com/t6531-tamil-supremacists-or-lunatics

here is my answer: i am not for spending a penny of taxpayer money on teaching hindi or any other language (other than tamil which is the native language of the majority of TN students) to TN students before we achieve 100% literacy. after that the goal should be to achieve excellence in subjects that will help students to get into good professions - math, phys, chem, econ, computer programming etc. we can talk about hindi or other languages after we do all this.

Rashmun wrote: had i been in your place, i would of course have chosen french.

Rashmun wrote:[

what about the need for a link language for people across India to communicate with each other?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:[

what about the need for a link language for people across India to communicate with each other?

i have nothing more to say about that other than what i've already said here repeatedly.

the burden of communication should be shared equally by the people communicating. english is as alien to tamilians as hindi. further, english is equally alien to tamil-only and hindi-only speakers. both will be better served by learning english and share the burden equally.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:[

what about the need for a link language for people across India to communicate with each other?

i have nothing more to say about that other than what i've already said here repeatedly.

the burden of communication should be shared equally by the people communicating. english is as alien to tamilians as hindi. further, english is equally alien to tamil-only and hindi-only speakers. both will be better served by learning english and share the burden equally.

i had earlier narrated the episode of an assamese security guard in bangalore who worked in my former office in bangalore with who my tamil colleague wanted to communicate with. the assamese guy knew assamese, bengali, and hindi. the tamilian knew english and tamil. they were both in bangalore when they had to communicate with each other, but failed to do so because of the lack of a common language. Hence, i was asked to act as interpreter because i knew both english and hindi.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the solution to a law and order problem is enforcing law and order. not insisting that people learn one language or another.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the solution to a law and order problem is enforcing law and order. not insisting that people learn one language or another.

ng

the point is that here we have this tamil guy in bangalore knowing only english and tamil. we also have security guards in bangalore who are from north-east india and nepal who do not know either tamil or english but who do know hindi. how is this guy supposed to communicate with the security guards if he does not have even a rudimentary knowledge of hindi?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the solution to a law and order problem is enforcing law and order. not insisting that people learn one language or another.

ng

the point is that here we have this tamil guy in bangalore knowing only english and tamil. we also have security guards in bangalore who are from north-east india and nepal who do not know either tamil or english but who do know hindi. how is this guy supposed to communicate with the security guards if he does not have even a rudimentary knowledge of hindi?

why don't you leave it to him to find a solution? he found the solution that was optimal to him under the constraints he faced, namely leaving the state. others may have found a different solution.

Rashmun wrote:(he still works in the same place.)

Rashmun wrote:Today my daughter who is in 10th under CBSE came to me needing my help on a Hindi poem by Maithilisharan Gupta.


http://ramrv.wordpress.com/tag/hindi-teaching-tamil-nadu/

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:(he still works in the same place.)

this is the best proof that he is able to manage his affairs well despite not knowing a shred of hindi. he'll probably hire household help who know hindi and/or kannada to help him conduct his everyday affairs the same way generations of northindian IIT professors and CSIR scientists in tamilnadu have been managing theirs. this also has the added benefit of providing employment for hindi enthusiasts such as yourself as translators. everyone is happy.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:(he still works in the same place.)

this is the best proof that he is able to manage his affairs well despite not knowing a shred of hindi. he'll probably hire household help who know hindi and/or kannada to help him conduct his everyday affairs the same way generations of northindian IIT professors and CSIR scientists in tamilnadu have been managing theirs. this also has the added benefit of providing employment for hindi enthusiasts such as yourself as translators. everyone is happy.

panini press wrote:The great Hindi poet Kabir said: kal kare so aaj kar, aaj kare so ab. "Tomorrow doing, that do today. Today doing, that do now."

Rashmun wrote:another idea. opening dravidian languages training institutes in NI. youth in NI instead of wasting time doing trivial things would find it beneficial to learn one SI language.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:(he still works in the same place.)

this is the best proof that he is able to manage his affairs well despite not knowing a shred of hindi. he'll probably hire household help who know hindi and/or kannada to help him conduct his everyday affairs the same way generations of northindian IIT professors and CSIR scientists in tamilnadu have been managing theirs. this also has the added benefit of providing employment for hindi enthusiasts such as yourself as translators. everyone is happy.

i am contemplating opening some hindi teaching institutes all over TN after my retirement. what do you think about my prospects of financial success? I keep reading reports about the strong enthusiasm for hindi amongst tamilans in TN. opening these hindi institutes in TN will enable tamilians to learn hindi at reasonable rates and it will also give employment opportunities to unemployment youth in states like UP,MP, and Bihar who have a good command over hindi/hindustani. what do you think of my plan?

Rashmun wrote:
other people are forced to function as hindi translators--without any monetary compensation--for this guy.

panini press wrote:The great Hindi poet Kabir said: kal kare so aaj kar, aaj kare so ab. "Tomorrow doing, that do today. Today doing, that do now."

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> i had earlier narrated the episode of an assamese security guard in bangalore who worked in my former office in bangalore with who my tamil colleague wanted to communicate with. the assamese guy knew assamese, bengali, and hindi. the tamilian knew english and tamil. they were both in bangalore when they had to communicate with each other, but failed to do so because of the lack of a common language. Hence, i was asked to act as interpreter because i knew both english and hindi.



why was knowi ng Kannada a requirement for employment as security guard in bangalore? That is what is wrong here.

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A Comprehensive Programme to Protect Indian Languages (A Bill of Rights for Indian Languages)


4-2

All employees who have to communicate with state residents, businesses and government must be proficient in the state official language (SOL). Those who cannot provide school certificates to prove that they studied the SOL at school shall be required to pass a language examination before appointment. Level of the examination shall be commensurate with job duties. Language examinations set up by the state government for its employees shall be used (See 2-2).

For example, a sales person or cashier of a store, hotel, restaurant, movie theater or other such businesses must be able to talk, read and write in the SOL. A bus or taxi driver must be able to talk to passengers in the SOL.

A construction worker must be able to talk to fellow workers and supervisors in the SOL. Failure to communicate with fellow workers and supervisors could affect safety at the construction site. It is up to the out-of-state worker to know the state language and not up to the local workers to learn the out-of-state language.

Doctors and nurses must have sufficient proficiency in the SOL for communication with patients. A scientist who works in a research laboratory need not have knowledge of SOL. An engineer who works exclusively in a design office need not have to know SOL but an engineer who works at a construction site must.

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