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Post by bw Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:06 am

kinnera wrote:Bw, ever seen bittu as a bigot, hating a whole group of ppl, finding excuses to throw mud at them, a hypocrite who poses as someone concerned abt the social issues, but is really only interested in using it as an excuse to spew hatred at a particular group? this is a very dangerous mentality. Worst thing is if that person has this false sense of self-aggrandizement too. yuck!

Have you ever seen bittu gossiping abt others and ever bothering abt others? He's very intolerant about gossiping. Never ever participates in it. How abt the ones here who come to chat in anonymous handles, lurk there for hours, gather whatever ppl are talking there, make their own assumptions and gossip here and elsewhere? what kind of moral behavior is that?
How abt the ones who one trusts and reveals personal info or pix and the person leaks them to others? Betrayal of trust! How bad can that be? We have seen major issues regarding that here, i guess. I nvr ever in my wildest can imagine bittu ever doing that. He won't scoop down to that level ever.

The 'holier than thou' are usually the ones with gutter mentality. The real decent, dignified ones never take a moral high stand and judge others. Look at the ones who are preaching here. LOL!

When jay leno cracks lewd jokes, no one takes him seriously. They just laugh off.

Someone talked abt the possibility of bittu being dangerous, etc. ROFL@that.
All the women over the yrs in sulekha from 1999 till now are not stupid teenage girls. They are mature, educated, intelligent, sensible, articulate and confident women. They got along ok with him. Need i say more?
i think ppl should mind their own business and stop worrying about abt others. If you don't like bittu, stay off his posts here or put him on ignore on chat.
Look at yourself first before throwing mud at others.

That said, i did criticize him, fight with him, stayed off of him, ignored him, insulted him etc. He's not perfect nor am I nor anyone else is. To each his/her own!


kinns, others having all those terrible traits you've listed does not make him any less lewd or crude or creepy. he is a non-bigoted lewd, crude being if you insist. i have seen him use language worse than an inebriated TS's colourful abusefest. all i wanted to say is that finding his brand of conversation/humour tasteless does not necessarily mean that the other person is a moron.


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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:07 am

pravalika nanda wrote:

** it certainly helps that he's not a thoroughly bad guy, he is decent enough and normal and likeable. moreover, he realizes that he's addicted to porn and he is aware of his weaknesses.


I notice you have changed your mind already.

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Post by pravalika nanda Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:07 am

Rashmun wrote:
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I have one question:

Are you jealous that Bittu only harasses other women and not coming onto you? It is normal for people with your "trait" - not that there is anything wrong with that.

** i find that bittu and i are friendly with each other and given to easy banter. from what i know of him online he's not a judgemental guy at all. and of course, like all women, i'm supremely jealous that bittu has no time to write ghazals for me or make pizza for me, but i'm young, i will wait, i know he's a busy jat.

Did you receive a Christmas gift from him?

** no, bittu don't like me.

I am surprised. You used to be his favorite. What did you do wrong?

** look, i don't know what you're on, but i have no time or interest in this. i only stuck around cuz max was saying something. good night.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:12 am

kinnera wrote: If you don't like bittu, stay off his posts here ..

this is quite unreasonable. nobody is asking you to shut up and you are expected to do the same.
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:15 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:16 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:18 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

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Post by garam_kuta Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

in other words, its just supply and demand you saying'

I guess all this inflammation is due to more to age diversity among the participants and their current POVs.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:23 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as intended humor, disturbing.


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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:24 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:25 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

It is between him and pravalika.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:27 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:

r u getting at the new form of 'u asked for it'? Not saying you are, but trying to clarify.

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

which part of blithe dismissal is hard to understand?
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:28 am

Rashmun wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

It is between him and pravalika.

oh, so all those lunch dates and christmas gifts questions were not between bittu and pravalika? are you one rashmun, or two, maybe five alter egos, each of which has absolutely no idea what the other one is posting. Also, does your personality flips every 2 min or every 5 min?

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:31 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

i don't understand your question.

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

which part of blithe dismissal is hard to understand?

"

if the post above was meant to shock, it doesn't shock, it merely evokes revulsion. if it was meant to be humorous, it isn't. if it was serious, then some of the female handles here who routinely get hot under the collar about some things i say in my posts are better off getting upset about this instead. "

"i used to think you are a smart woman. but it's clear you're just a moron. i feel quite sad to have realized this today. "

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i didn't ask for his freedom of speech to be curtailed. i find it difficult to believe that you find crude, lewd, and violent posts (that chloroform post was just that) humorous. sense of humor? my ass. i haven't bothered responding to other women who also routinely say this same thing, that they find his posts humorous, frankly because i think their sense of priorities is totally whacked. but i responded to your posts, because i think it is an aberration that can be rectified after some reconsideration. "

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:34 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

It is between him and pravalika.

oh, so all those lunch dates and christmas gifts questions were not between bittu and pravalika? are you one rashmun, or two, maybe five alter egos, each of which has absolutely no idea what the other one is posting. Also, does your personality flips every 2 min or every 5 min?

Since pravalika defended Bittu I asked her some questions based on my reading her previous exchanges with Bittu.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:35 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

which part of blithe dismissal is hard to understand?

"

if the post above was meant to shock, it doesn't shock, it merely evokes revulsion. if it was meant to be humorous, it isn't. if it was serious, then some of the female handles here who routinely get hot under the collar about some things i say in my posts are better off getting upset about this instead. "

"i used to think you are a smart woman. but it's clear you're just a moron. i feel quite sad to have realized this today. "

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i didn't ask for his freedom of speech to be curtailed. i find it difficult to believe that you find crude, lewd, and violent posts (that chloroform post was just that) humorous. sense of humor? my ass. i haven't bothered responding to other women who also routinely say this same thing, that they find his posts humorous, frankly because i think their sense of priorities is totally whacked. but i responded to your posts, because i think it is an aberration that can be rectified after some reconsideration. "

Tracy you're a moron.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:37 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:

some kind of twisted reasoning like - u laughed at bittu's joke, now u complaining about this or that... sorry woman but can't u see, u asked for it.

i have no interest in your or anyone else's relationship with bittu. it's not my place to tell you whose friendship to cultivate. i just find bittu's chloroform post and the blithe dismissal of it as humorous disturbing.

you didn't just find bittu's post disturbing. you called out on certain women too. hence the q.

which part of blithe dismissal is hard to understand?

"

if the post above was meant to shock, it doesn't shock, it merely evokes revulsion. if it was meant to be humorous, it isn't. if it was serious, then some of the female handles here who routinely get hot under the collar about some things i say in my posts are better off getting upset about this instead. "

"i used to think you are a smart woman. but it's clear you're just a moron. i feel quite sad to have realized this today. "

"
i didn't ask for his freedom of speech to be curtailed. i find it difficult to believe that you find crude, lewd, and violent posts (that chloroform post was just that) humorous. sense of humor? my ass. i haven't bothered responding to other women who also routinely say this same thing, that they find his posts humorous, frankly because i think their sense of priorities is totally whacked. but i responded to your posts, because i think it is an aberration that can be rectified after some reconsideration. "

i haven't said anything about curtailing your or anyone else's friendship with bittu. please friendship away.
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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:54 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. That is plain psychopathic sadism. Which is why this incident qualified as a rarest of the rare crimes, deserving of death penalty.

But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.
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Post by garam_kuta Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:57 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. That is plain psychopathic sadism. Which is why this incident qualified as a rarest of the rare crimes, deserving of death penalty.

But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:00 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. That is plain psychopathic sadism. Which is why this incident qualified as a rarest of the rare crimes, deserving of death penalty.

But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

Would you be comfortable with your daughter going out with a guy who claims his fantasy is to make love to her, essentially to rape her, after making her unconscious using chloroform?


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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:03 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. .

i didn't say it was the equal of a metal rod in a vagina. i said there was a continnum of despicable attitudes about women and it lay somewhere along that continuum. anyone with a reasonable sense of decency should find it offensive, but i confess it is particularly disturbing from the standpoint of a parent trying to guide young girls into adulthood.

about your other point, i have already said that this was not about influencing anybody's friendship decisions. consider my expression of disgust equal to your (and my) expressions of angst from time to time about chaddism.
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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:05 am

garam_kuta wrote:posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

Hot Dog, you provocateur. I don't know abt supply and demand. I know even less abt grey markets. But I'm sure stumped by all the anger here towards women who don't find Bittu offensive.
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:07 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

Hot Dog, you provocateur. I don't know abt supply and demand. I know even less abt grey markets. But I'm sure stumped by all the anger here towards women who don't find Bittu offensive.

I don't think anybody here has expressed the anger you talk of.

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Post by garam_kuta Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:08 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

Hot Dog, you provocateur. I don't know abt supply and demand. I know even less abt grey markets. But I'm sure stumped by all the anger here towards women who don't find Bittu offensive.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:08 am

Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
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Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. That is plain psychopathic sadism. Which is why this incident qualified as a rarest of the rare crimes, deserving of death penalty.

But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

Would you be comfortable with your daughter going out with a guy who claims his fantasy is to make love to her, essentially to rape her, after making her unconscious using chloroform?

Rashmun, are Vidya and other women here your daughters? Parents warning their children about the wolves out there is one matter. But one adult lecturing another adult on what she should take offence at and who she should be friends with is ridiculous.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:11 am

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But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

It is my observation that women sounding handles on SuCH are doing the same thing they've done in India when they're groped in a city bus i.e. looking the other way. I'm sure Bittu handle had e-groped them a few times but they chose to ignore it and don't even want to acknowledge it or call it banter.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:11 am

garam_kuta wrote:
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garam_kuta wrote:posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

Hot Dog, you provocateur. I don't know abt supply and demand. I know even less abt grey markets. But I'm sure stumped by all the anger here towards women who don't find Bittu offensive.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:12 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:In summary, the women at the receiving end of Bittu's comments are not offended. They are okay with it and some even profess friendly ties with the guy. Why is this so upsetting to others? Surely, it's for the women to decide what to take offence at and what not to.

bittu's chloroform post is an attitude that lies somewhere along a continuum between what they call eve teasing in india, to a metal rod in a vagina and a dead woman. what's upsetting is not the banter or the friendly ties, but a failure to recognize that post for what it is.

There are two distinct streams in this thread. Assuming Bittu was being serious when he said it, and not just self-deprecating, your point about attitude is valid. It is the belief that women exist for the pleasure of men and their will is immaterial that leads to rapes. That said, it's too much of a stretch to extend that to metal rod in vagina. That is plain psychopathic sadism. Which is why this incident qualified as a rarest of the rare crimes, deserving of death penalty.

But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

Would you be comfortable with your daughter going out with a guy who claims his fantasy is to make love to her, essentially to rape her, after making her unconscious using chloroform?

Rashmun, are Vidya and other women here your daughters? Parents warning their children about the wolves out there is one matter. But one adult lecturing another adult about what she should take offence at and who should should be friends with is ridiculous.

Vidya and I started having an argument because I criticized Bittu's behavior and she defended Bittu. That was how it started and the it became personal because of our past history on this forum.

But I never asked Vidya to stop being friends with Bittu.

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Post by Kris Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:13 am

bw wrote:some women have told me that these men aren't hypocrites but honest fellas, honest about their feelings.

all you men think similarly about women but just don't say it - true?

>>>> BW, Heck no! I am even sure the guys who make these jokes on the internet don't mean them literally. More like locker-room talk. I would agree that given the recent events, maybe men should seriously re-think this thing altogether.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:14 am

max,

you used to find bittu funny once (initially). then what happened? where did the love go?

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Post by garam_kuta Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:15 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:posting again: you may have nailed it "in the öther discussion part..this may be just demand and supply; perhaps in the grey and black market

Hot Dog, you provocateur. I don't know abt supply and demand. I know even less abt grey markets. But I'm sure stumped by all the anger here towards women who don't find Bittu offensive.

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Haha..kothilla is how a Tam would say it. Gothilla is the correct pronunciation.

Thank you for the wishes Hot Dog. A very happy and joy-filled new year to you.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:18 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:max,

you used to find bittu funny once (initially). then what happened? where did the love go?

sure for a short while. and then i realized that he actually means what he says because he has said it consistently and repeatedly over a period of many years. he still says funny things from time to time, but i am sorry to say the chloroform type posts are completely crude, not to mention violent.
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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:19 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
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But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

It is my observation that women sounding handles on SuCH are doing the same thing they've done in India when they're groped in a city bus i.e. looking the other way. I'm sure Bittu handle had e-groped them a few times but they chose to ignore it and don't even want to acknowledge it or call it banter.

Bad analogy. Unlike in a bus in Delhi, the women here are not under any physical threat of harm or of stigma if they speak up. So here's another possibility. Maybe, just maybe, some of them like such banter with a non-threatening party they are familiar with.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:22 am

bw wrote:some women have told me that these men aren't hypocrites but honest fellas, honest about their feelings.

all you men think similarly about women but just don't say it - true?

Nope not at all.. but I do agree with those women that men aren't hypocrites.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:26 am

garam_kuta wrote:kaatpaadi saar.. eanu maadtheera..hanae baara...kongaati baashainae bangaloornalli nadiyathey !

ROFL. I'd not heard the use of the word "kongaati" to refer to Tams for so many years now. Any idea what is the source of that word?
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:27 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
But it is the other discussion in this thread that is amusing. Why are folks upset at the women on the board who don't take offence? And for being friendly with Bittu? Surely, dictating to women what they should be offended by and who they should be friends with is also a reflection of the same attitude - that women are incapable of taking independent decisions and need to be educated on rights and wrongs.

It is my observation that women sounding handles on SuCH are doing the same thing they've done in India when they're groped in a city bus i.e. looking the other way. I'm sure Bittu handle had e-groped them a few times but they chose to ignore it and don't even want to acknowledge it or call it banter.

Bad analogy. Unlike in a bus in Delhi, the women here are not under any physical threat of harm or of stigma if they speak up. So here's another possibility. Maybe, just maybe, some of them like such banter with a non-threatening party they are familiar with.

I don't think it is that bad an analogy. It was more than banter, very crude and direct but again whatever floats their boat.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:27 am

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Huzefa Kapasi wrote:max,

you used to find bittu funny once (initially). then what happened? where did the love go?

sure for a short while. and then i realized that he actually means what he says because he has said it consistently and repeatedly over a period of many years. he still says funny things from time to time, but i am sorry to say the chloroform type posts are completely crude, not to mention violent.
fair enough except the phrase in bold. that phrase is a big leap of faith. having known that he is happily married with kids and leading a normal life or trying hard to (all material gleaned from the same source as his lewd e-conduct) it would require a dunce to read his posts literally and not understand that they are merely jokes. there is no morality in jokes. you either find them funny or you don't.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:29 am

with respect to bw's question, i don't actually believe she really wanted to ask that question. i have a lurking suspicion she had something else in mind when she asked it.

but if she meant the question sincerely, the answer is absolutely not. most decent human beings, male or female, who respect the fundamental notion that all human beings have an absolute right to exercise control over their own bodies will find such attitudes horrifying. and if they don't to begin with, becoming a parent will definitely change most normally wired human beings.
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Post by garam_kuta Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:30 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:kaatpaadi saar.. eanu maadtheera..hanae baara...kongaati baashainae bangaloornalli nadiyathey !

ROFL. I'd not heard the use of the word "kongaati" to refer to Tams for so many years now. Any idea what is the source of that word?

me too, agent! anyways kongu naadu is Coimbatore is all I know !

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:32 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:max,

you used to find bittu funny once (initially). then what happened? where did the love go?

sure for a short while. and then i realized that he actually means what he says because he has said it consistently and repeatedly over a period of many years. he still says funny things from time to time, but i am sorry to say the chloroform type posts are completely crude, not to mention violent.
fair enough except the phrase in bold. that phrase is a big leap of faith. having known that he is happily married with kids and leading a normal life or trying hard to (all material gleaned from the same source as his lewd e-conduct) it would require a dunce to read his posts literally and not understand that they are merely jokes. there is no morality in jokes. you either find them funny or you don't.

Whatever you're smoking pass some to Max and us mere mortals please.

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Post by Kris Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:33 am

garam_kuta wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:kaatpaadi saar.. eanu maadtheera..hanae baara...kongaati baashainae bangaloornalli nadiyathey !

ROFL. I'd not heard the use of the word "kongaati" to refer to Tams for so many years now. Any idea what is the source of that word?

me too, agent! anyways kongu naadu is Coimbatore is all I know !

>>>>Hey, glad you clarified. For a minute there I thought it could have been a morphing of 'kurangu' Smile

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:41 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:max,

you used to find bittu funny once (initially). then what happened? where did the love go?

sure for a short while. and then i realized that he actually means what he says because he has said it consistently and repeatedly over a period of many years. he still says funny things from time to time, but i am sorry to say the chloroform type posts are completely crude, not to mention violent.
fair enough except the phrase in bold. that phrase is a big leap of faith. having known that he is happily married with kids and leading a normal life or trying hard to (all material gleaned from the same source as his lewd e-conduct) it would require a dunce to read his posts literally and not understand that they are merely jokes. there is no morality in jokes. you either find them funny or you don't.

Whatever you're smoking pass some to Max and us mere mortals please.

confuzious, try these:

(i) if my mother teaches me about sex, does it mean my mother wants to have sex with me?
(ii) if pakistanis are searching for donkey-sex on the net, does it mean donkeys are not safe in pakistan?
(iii) if i crack a lewd joke, does it mean i want to engage in lewd conduct as suggestive in my joke?
(iv) if i abuse someone with lewd expletives, does it mean i would do those things to the person if i had a chance?

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:49 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

confuzious, try these:

(i) if my mother teaches me about sex, does it mean my mother wants to have sex with me?
(ii) if pakistanis are searching for donkey-sex on the net, does it mean donkeys are not safe in pakistan?
(iii) if i crack a lewd joke, does it mean i want to engage in lewd conduct as suggestive in my joke?
(iv) if i abuse someone with lewd expletives, does it mean i would do those things to the person if i had a chance?

Unless I'm suffering from both short & long term memory loss, Bittu handle's repertoire is broader than that.

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:51 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:with respect to bw's question, i don't actually believe she really wanted to ask that question. i have a lurking suspicion she had something else in mind when she asked it.


that's very obvious, isn't it Smile

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:58 am

Kris wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:kaatpaadi saar.. eanu maadtheera..hanae baara...kongaati baashainae bangaloornalli nadiyathey !

ROFL. I'd not heard the use of the word "kongaati" to refer to Tams for so many years now. Any idea what is the source of that word?

me too, agent! anyways kongu naadu is Coimbatore is all I know !

>>>>Hey, glad you clarified. For a minute there I thought it could have been a morphing of 'kurangu' Smile

Or, short form of Korungaatti.

I think we should start claiming Mysore and BLR (will solve Cauvery problem as well).

Coming to the current dissertation...

Nothing wrong if anyone using any language to anyone. There is no e-eve teasing guidelines. So while Bittu's language may be considered offensive, unacceptable, blah blah in certain segments - depending on how they were brought up - as long as there is no physical threat there is nothing wrong. After all, no one knows for certain if the handles are male or female. That being the case, it is ridiculous to categorize members as "for good" or "for evil" or simply holy and unholy.

I remember the days when my mother said all those who smoked beedis were bad and those who used cuss words were bad.

It is just as silly as that.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:01 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

confuzious, try these:

(i) if my mother teaches me about sex, does it mean my mother wants to have sex with me?
(ii) if pakistanis are searching for donkey-sex on the net, does it mean donkeys are not safe in pakistan?
(iii) if i crack a lewd joke, does it mean i want to engage in lewd conduct as suggestive in my joke?
(iv) if i abuse someone with lewd expletives, does it mean i would do those things to the person if i had a chance?

Unless I'm suffering from both short & long term memory loss, Bittu handle's repertoire is broader than that.
there was a time when i was convinced bittu was a bigot and everything he posted revulsed me. i remember flaming him and him continuing to ignore me in his typical, unflappable way. i stopped after undertaker tried to disabuse me of the idea. i was not the only handle put off by his "seeming" bigotry -- aure was another one. but over time i realized he wasn't a bigot (don't ask me HOW i reached that conclusion). so sometimes hasty conclusions can be wrong. i am not suggesting i know ALL about bittu now. but, ya, i can say i have seen his repertoire. but like i said, after over more than a decade of reading his posts and interacting with him, i find him a funny and harmless guy.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:06 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I remember the days when my mother said all those who smoked beedis were bad and those who used cuss words were bad.
It is just as silly as that.

True. And yet, all those who are born Muslims are bad and rape Hindus who step out after 8pm.
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Post by Kris Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:19 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kris wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:kaatpaadi saar.. eanu maadtheera..hanae baara...kongaati baashainae bangaloornalli nadiyathey !

ROFL. I'd not heard the use of the word "kongaati" to refer to Tams for so many years now. Any idea what is the source of that word?

me too, agent! anyways kongu naadu is Coimbatore is all I know !

>>>>Hey, glad you clarified. For a minute there I thought it could have been a morphing of 'kurangu' Smile

Or, short form of Korungaatti.

I think we should start claiming Mysore and BLR (will solve Cauvery problem as well).

Coming to the current dissertation...

Nothing wrong if anyone using any language to anyone. There is no e-eve teasing guidelines. So while Bittu's language may be considered offensive, unacceptable, blah blah in certain segments - depending on how they were brought up - as long as there is no physical threat there is nothing wrong. After all, no one knows for certain if the handles are male or female. That being the case, it is ridiculous to categorize members as "for good" or "for evil" or simply holy and unholy.

I remember the days when my mother said all those who smoked beedis were bad and those who used cuss words were bad.

It is just as silly as that.

>>>Absence makes the heart grow fonder. One of my friends started bringing beedies back when he made trips to India. Later, I read somewhere these had caught on on campuses here for some time.


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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:29 am

Kris wrote:

>>>Absence makes the heart grow fonder. One of my friends started bringing beedies back when he made trips to India. Later, I read somewhere these had caught on on campuses here for some time.


it was getting a foothold some 10 years back in the US and there was even some news program on it.

..perhaps, you can buy and smoke a beedi or two...

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Post by Motor_Mouth Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:30 am

It is no secret that women fantasize about forced sex by a stranger. This stranger, however, is a handsome, hygienic person who has the right amount of hair on his chest to tickle her breasts and strawberry breath, not some truck driver who hasn't shaved in months and smells of gutkha, alcohol, beedi and dal makhani. Most women on this board find that stranger in Bittu and love the attention that he showers on them. They all love it when he says that he would hide behind a curtain and grab them by their breasts, catching them unawares and bend their limbs at angles unknown to them before forcing his pee-unit into their roselike vee-unit dripping with jalebi juice.

Given that it is only a fantasy, they enjoy it for as long as it remains a fantasy - which is *always* on an online forum. That is why you see no resistance to him by females on this forum. They would stay away from him in real life if they ever came across him.

Most men on this forum are jealous of him because their attempts at attracting their attention (by talking ancient history, philosophy, math, politics, probability, music, fiscal deficit, global warming etc) have failed for over a decade while his haven't.

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