Regarding Hellsangel's persistent usage of purported real names of posters he disagrees with

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:56 pm

I would like to bring to the attention of this forum that Hellsangel is persisting on using the purported real names of posters he disagrees with. These include yours truly and also Luke Warmus.

I also know the purported real names of many members of this forum, and i just want to know whether it is to be deemed acceptable practice to start using the purported real names of posters we disagree with in forum posts. In my opinion, this issue is extremely important to many members of this forum which is why i am bringing it up to gauge what others here think about this.

by charvaka Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:44 pm

I find the use of purported real names distasteful. I believe using these names in arguments -- however heated they are -- is a violation of basic courtesy. However, we need to balance that with posters' ability to say whatever they want to say without censorship.

As admin, I have already stated that I am willing to remove posts / names from posts on request from any member. If there is a post that refers to you by a name that is implied as your real name, let me know (a note to the charvaka ID would suffice) that you would like that name to be removed. I do NOT need to know whether the name is your actual real name or not.

This topic was discussed at length here: https://such.forumotion.com/t2718-disclosure-of-posters-personal-information.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:08 pm

charvaka wrote:I find the use of purported real names distasteful. I believe using these names in arguments -- however heated they are -- is a violation of basic courtesy. However, we need to balance that with posters' ability to say whatever they want to say without censorship.

As admin, I have already stated that I am willing to remove posts / names from posts on request from any member. If there is a post that refers to you by a name that is implied as your real name, let me know (a note to the charvaka ID would suffice) that you would like that name to be removed. I do NOT need to know whether the name is your actual real name or not.

This topic was discussed at length here: https://such.forumotion.com/t2718-disclosure-of-posters-personal-information.

--> i am not going to keep sending you notes whenever Hellsangel keeps using my purported real name or Luke's purported real name in his posts. I don't even read all his posts so there is no way for me to keep track of when he uses my purported real name. Moreover, you yourself have no claim to being neutral or impartial. Only recently, when i mentioned Hellsangel using Luke Warmus's purported real name in his recent posts you reaction was to hit back at me by saying that i am using your initials ( referring to when i use the phrase 'PP Method' which was coined long after you coined the phrase 'Rashmun Method', and then kept using again and again after disparaging it). As if using the full purported real name is equivalent to using the initials of a poster in forum posts. By the way, the initials will not show up in a google search; but posts featuring the full real name might do so.

--> i also think that posters cannot do just do whatever they want to do. for instance, it is unacceptable for posters to post pornographic pictures in their posts (especially without giving a warning) because many forum members check this forum in their office.

--> it is well understood that you will go out of your way to protect Hellsangel, despite his obnoxious behavior, since he happens to be your buddy; but i believe forum members will want this kind of outrageous behavior of Hellsangel--of repeatedly giving the purported real names of posters with who we have differences-- to never be repeated. At the very least, if he insists on repeating it, i believe forum members will want you to delete his entire post and not just the purported real name in the post. That should be the minimum punishment that can be given to such posters.

--> This is my opinion on this issue; others are welcome to agree or disagree with my views.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:20 pm

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 pm (reply to MulaiAzahgi)
You, sir, live an interesting life thanks to the excellent company you keep.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:22 pm
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:43 pm
Why this kolaveri for Hellsangel? What did he do to you now?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:46 pm
He did nothing to me in particular, but whenever he gets annoyed with Luke Warmus he starts using Luke's purported real name which i find unethical.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:13 pm
That must be why you use my real name (or was it initials) when you get annoyed with me!

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:16 pm
i coined the phrase 'PP Method' much after your repeated phrase of the words 'Rashmun Method' which you coined, disparaged, and then referred to in post after post. i have never used your full name in any of my posts. Unlike your buddy Hellsananda who likes to use the purported full names of people he has disagreements with in online discussions.

https://such.forumotion.com/t4772-an-unfortunate-sanskrit-vs-tamil-dispute#37949

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 pm

Rashmun wrote:Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 pm (reply to MulaiAzahgi)
You, sir, live an interesting life thanks to the excellent company you keep.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:22 pm
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:43 pm
Why this kolaveri for Hellsangel? What did he do to you now?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:46 pm
He did nothing to me in particular, but whenever he gets annoyed with Luke Warmus he starts using Luke's purported real name which i find unethical.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:13 pm
That must be why you use my real name (or was it initials) when you get annoyed with me!

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:16 pm
i coined the phrase 'PP Method' much after your repeated phrase of the words 'Rashmun Method' which you coined, disparaged, and then referred to in post after post. i have never used your full name in any of my posts. Unlike your buddy Hellsananda who likes to use the purported full names of people he has disagreements with in online discussions.

https://such.forumotion.com/t4772-an-unfortunate-sanskrit-vs-tamil-dispute#37949

Everyone is fully justified in using your real name bcz you stated it yourself, and you have no hesitation in dragging wife and parents of those who disagree with your idiotic Cut and vomit posts.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:46 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 pm (reply to MulaiAzahgi)
You, sir, live an interesting life thanks to the excellent company you keep.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:22 pm
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:43 pm
Why this kolaveri for Hellsangel? What did he do to you now?

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:46 pm
He did nothing to me in particular, but whenever he gets annoyed with Luke Warmus he starts using Luke's purported real name which i find unethical.

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:13 pm
That must be why you use my real name (or was it initials) when you get annoyed with me!

Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Rashmun on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:16 pm
i coined the phrase 'PP Method' much after your repeated phrase of the words 'Rashmun Method' which you coined, disparaged, and then referred to in post after post. i have never used your full name in any of my posts. Unlike your buddy Hellsananda who likes to use the purported full names of people he has disagreements with in online discussions.

https://such.forumotion.com/t4772-an-unfortunate-sanskrit-vs-tamil-dispute#37949

Everyone is fully justified in using your real name bcz you stated it yourself, and you have no hesitation in dragging wife and parents of those who disagree with your idiotic Cut and vomit posts.

--> a few points to consider. i started posting using my purported real name in 1998 when sulekha CH started. at that time everyone was posting using their real names naively. subsequently, everyone started using abbreviated names or different handle names. Kris and Huzefa Kapasi, who were around at that time, will agree with me when i say this.

--> what changed was that after the arrival of google everyone realized that posting under your own name was a bad idea because your posts could start showing up in google search.

--> regarding name calling, you have called me a gardener's son and you have also said that i do not know who my father is. you also claimed that you are enjoying intimate relations with gyaanputra's mother. and so on and so forth. Other forum members have indulged in pretty severe name calling as well as i have pointed out earlier:

https://such.forumotion.com/t4164p50-pandit-nehru-was-against-caste-based-reservations#33954

--> the point is that all of the name calling does not ultimately matter because whatever takes place in this forum should stay within the forum. that is my position; others are free to agree or disagree with me on this.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
--> a few points to consider. i started posting using my purported real name in 1998 when sulekha CH started. at that time everyone was posting using their real names naively. subsequently, everyone started using abbreviated names or different handle names. Kris and Huzefa Kapasi, who were around at that time, will agree with me when i say this.

--> what changed was that after the arrival of google everyone realized that posting under your own name was a bad idea because your posts could start showing up in google search.

--> regarding name calling, you have called me a gardener's son and you have also said that i do not know who my father is. you also claimed that you are enjoying intimate relations with gyaanputra's mother. and so on and so forth. Other forum members have indulged in pretty severe name calling as well as i have pointed out earlier:

https://such.forumotion.com/t4164p50-pandit-nehru-was-against-caste-based-reservations#33954

--> the point is that all of the name calling does not ultimately matter because whatever takes place in this forum should stay within the forum. that is my position; others are free to agree or disagree with me on this.

So, let us face...

Quit whining and you drag any family member you want and everyone reserves the right to drag anything about you as well....It is easier to play with no rules than one-sided rule.

so accept what you started ans sowed and be prepared to face whatever comes your way..

In short - BE A MAN (for a change).

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:53 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
--> a few points to consider. i started posting using my purported real name in 1998 when sulekha CH started. at that time everyone was posting using their real names naively. subsequently, everyone started using abbreviated names or different handle names. Kris and Huzefa Kapasi, who were around at that time, will agree with me when i say this.

--> what changed was that after the arrival of google everyone realized that posting under your own name was a bad idea because your posts could start showing up in google search.

--> regarding name calling, you have called me a gardener's son and you have also said that i do not know who my father is. you also claimed that you are enjoying intimate relations with gyaanputra's mother. and so on and so forth. Other forum members have indulged in pretty severe name calling as well as i have pointed out earlier:

https://such.forumotion.com/t4164p50-pandit-nehru-was-against-caste-based-reservations#33954

--> the point is that all of the name calling does not ultimately matter because whatever takes place in this forum should stay within the forum. that is my position; others are free to agree or disagree with me on this.

So, let us face...

Quit whining and you drag any family member you want and everyone reserves the right to drag anything about you as well....It is easier to play with no rules than one-sided rule.

so accept what you started ans sowed and be prepared to face whatever comes your way..

In short - BE A MAN (for a change).

your hatred for me is blinding to you to the fact that giving the purported real names of any poster here on this forum--and that too repeatedly as Hellsangel is doing-- is completely unacceptable. this is my position. you have articulated your position. let us hear from others.

by charvaka Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:07 pm

Rashmun wrote:i am not going to keep sending you notes whenever Hellsangel keeps using my purported real name or Luke's purported real name in his posts.

I can't take action if you can't bring yourself to ask for such action. Running this forum is not my day job, and I don't intend to moderate it. This is something that has been abundantly clear right from the beginning when we all created this forum. You know -- and have always known -- the rules here: no moderation, no active admin role. I have followed those rules myself, and haven't logged in as admin in months. If you want something done, you need to ask for it. I am not going to sit around watching for violations and actively delete posts; if you expect that kind of service, you are in the wrong place.

Rashmun wrote:At the very least, if he insists on repeating it, i believe forum members will want you to delete his entire post and not just the purported real name in the post. That should be the minimum punishment that can be given to such posters.

I am open to deleting an entire post on the basis of disclosure of personal information (and only on that basis). If it's a one-liner post with the name in it, that is what I would be inclined to do in order to protect personal information.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:19 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:i am not going to keep sending you notes whenever Hellsangel keeps using my purported real name or Luke's purported real name in his posts.
I can't take action if you can't bring yourself to ask for such action. Running this forum is not my day job, and I don't intend to moderate it. This is something that has been abundantly clear right from the beginning when we all created this forum. You know -- and have always known -- the rules here: no moderation, no active admin role. I have followed those rules myself, and haven't logged in as admin in months. If you want something done, you need to ask for it. I am not going to sit around watching for violations and actively delete posts; if you expect that kind of service, you are in the wrong place.

Rashmun wrote:At the very least, if he insists on repeating it, i believe forum members will want you to delete his entire post and not just the purported real name in the post. That should be the minimum punishment that can be given to such posters.
I am open to deleting an entire post on the basis of disclosure of personal information (and only on that basis). If it's a one-liner post with the name in it, that is what I would be inclined to do in order to protect personal information.

--> At the very least, you could have reprimanded Hellsangel for continuing to use Luke Warmus's purported real name when i pointed this out to you recently. Instead you turned around and accused me of doing the same thing when i use the phrase 'PP Method', but surely you will agree that using the initials is not the same as using the full name. After all, using the full name ensures that the post with the real name could pop up in a google search.

--> I am personally against the idea of you logging in as Admin on a frequent basis. Given the fact that you are prone to taking cheap shots and indulge in snide sniping at other posters here, and are clearly not neutral and unbiased, i want to avoid giving you a good excuse for logging in as Admin regularly. Logging in as Admin regularly will allow you to access information like the IP address and location of posters with who you are on unfriendly terms with for example. It has been suggested that people like me--who are not on friendly terms with you--should use a proxy server to login to this site. But it is not possible to use any proxy server from my workplace(s).

--> Since only Hellsangel is indulging in this kind of behavior, the solution is very simple: this forum has to make it very clear to him that this is unacceptable behavior on his part and will not be tolerated. I would suggest that as Admin of this forum you can consider starting a thread requesting Hellsangel not to indulge in this behavior. Since he seems to be on good terms with you, there is reason to believe that he will listen to your advice.

by truthbetold Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:25 pm

I read many posts from hellsangel. The posts contain good questions. I never came across any personal names or information. Based on your past tendency to jump to conclusions with flimsy facts and strech ttruth, I would like some evidence before we start censorship. I would like to hear from Maria, Tracy , jndophile and others who stay from our duels. Let us first establish facts and then talk about corrective actions.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:26 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

So, let us face...

Quit whining and you drag any family member you want and everyone reserves the right to drag anything about you as well....It is easier to play with no rules than one-sided rule.

so accept what you started ans sowed and be prepared to face whatever comes your way..

In short - BE A MAN (for a change).

your hatred for me is blinding to you to the fact that giving the purported real names of any poster here on this forum--and that too repeatedly as Hellsangel is doing-- is completely unacceptable. this is my position. you have articulated your position. let us hear from others.

Your way of showing hatred towards others is by dragging their wife and family members. And his way of showing hatred towards you is by using your real name. Everyone has his own way - including me.

So if it is unacceptable to you - too bad. Learn to deal with it.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:30 pm

good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:43 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.

Agree completely.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:49 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.

my point is if the rules of engagement are to be followed, then EVERYONE should follow, including the Maulana Rashmunullah Akbari. If he reserves the right to drag family members and wife's ethnicity etc... then others have their own way of getting back at him.

While I don't use personal info on others (even if I knew the details) or drag family members, I reserve the right to do so at my own convenience against those who cross my path. Everyone has the same rights. I dont believe in one side playing by the rules while the other following one twisted logic and rules.

by charvaka Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:50 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.

I agree. This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:51 pm

charvaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.
I agree. This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

will you remove the entire post or will you only remove the personal information. also, since only one poster is indulging in this behavior, why don't you issue a formal request to him to cease from doing this?

by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:54 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.
I agree. This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

will you remove the entire post or will you only remove the personal information. also, since only one poster is indulging in this behavior, why don't you issue a formal request to him to cease from doing this?

are we all expected to read each and every post of Hellsangel henceforth? What is stopping you from issuing a formal request to him to refrain from this behavior. I am not asking you to ban him. Just a formal request in a fresh thread would suffice.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:00 am

Rashmun wrote:are we all expected to read each and every post of Hellsangel henceforth? What is stopping you from issuing a formal request to him to refrain from this behavior. I am not asking you to ban him. Just a formal request in a fresh thread would suffice.

Why should Charvaka make the formal request? He has stated often that he won't play the role of moderator here, and to stop thinking of him as an admin, with special 'powers'. Why would you keep asking him to make a formal request? Why did you ask him, instead of making an appeal to the whole forum, or other posters?

by charvaka Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:01 am

Rashmun wrote:will you remove the entire post or will you only remove the personal information. also, since only one poster is indulging in this behavior, why don't you issue a formal request to him to cease from doing this?

If the post is short, I will delete the whole thing. If it is has some other content beyond the personal information disclosed, I will just remove the personal information. This unfortunately has to be a matter of my discretion.

Rashmun wrote:also, since only one poster is indulging in
this behavior, why don't you issue a formal request to him to cease from
doing this?

My views on this are abundantly clear, and I have already asked Hellsangel to stop using the purported real names of people. I am happy to repeat that here.

Formal Request to Hellsangel (in triplicate, duly signed and stamped)

Hellsangel, please do not disclose any personal information of posters without their explicit permission. I consider this an unacceptable violation of basic courtesy that we should extend to each other as posters on this forum. Do not use the purported real names of Rashmun or Jeremiah Mburuburu (any mis-spelling of that name is unintentional). I will delete any post of yours that violates this, if the other person requests it.

Signed,
charvaka aka great glut admin

// Certified original true copy, dated February 19, 2012

Hellsangel, please do not disclose any personal information of posters without their explicit permission. I consider this an unacceptable violation of basic courtesy that we should extend to each other as posters on this forum. Do not use the purported real names of Rashmun or Jeremiah Mburuburu (any mis-spelling of that name is unintentional). I will delete any post of yours that violates this, if the other person requests it.

Signed,
charvaka aka great glut admin

// Certified original true copy, dated February 19, 2012

Hellsangel, please do not disclose any personal information of posters without their explicit permission. I consider this an unacceptable violation of basic courtesy that we should extend to each other as posters on this forum. Do not use the purported real names of Rashmun or Jeremiah Mburuburu (any mis-spelling of that name is unintentional). I will delete any post of yours that violates this, if the other person requests it.

Signed,
charvaka aka great glut admin

// Original, dated February 19, 2012

by charvaka Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:06 am

Rashmun wrote:are we all expected to read each and every post of Hellsangel henceforth?

No. You are welcome to ignore every one of HA's posts. If you find it difficult to do that, you can add him to your "foes" list so his posts never appear on your screen.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:07 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:are we all expected to read each and every post of Hellsangel henceforth?
No. You are welcome to ignore every one of HA's posts. If you find it difficult to do that, you can add him to your "foes" list so his posts never appear on your screen.

That doesn't solve the issue of Hellsangel revealing personal information about me (or Luke Warmus or someone else) which could pop up in a google search.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:21 am

Tracy Whitney wrote:
Rashmun wrote:are we all expected to read each and every post of Hellsangel henceforth? What is stopping you from issuing a formal request to him to refrain from this behavior. I am not asking you to ban him. Just a formal request in a fresh thread would suffice.

Why should Charvaka make the formal request? He has stated often that he won't play the role of moderator here, and to stop thinking of him as an admin, with special 'powers'. Why would you keep asking him to make a formal request? Why did you ask him, instead of making an appeal to the whole forum, or other posters?

Charvaka offered to login as Admin to remove any personal information in any post. I do not want him to frequently login as Admin and so i thought it would be better to instead get him to make a public appeal to Hellsangel. After all the two are buddies.

by charvaka Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:26 am

Rashmun wrote:That doesn't solve the issue of Hellsangel revealing personal information about me (or Luke Warmus or someone else) which could pop up in a google search.

I have offered you a solution to that problem, but you don't want that either because of reasons best known to yourself. I have also made a public appeal to HA to not do it. I hope that solves your problem. I hope you find a way out of this problem -- good luck!

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:30 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:That doesn't solve the issue of Hellsangel revealing personal information about me (or Luke Warmus or someone else) which could pop up in a google search.
I have offered you a solution to that problem, but you don't want that either because of reasons best known to yourself. I have also made a public appeal to HA to not do it. I hope that solves your problem. I hope you find a way out of this problem -- good luck!

No, i am quite satisfied with the fact that you made a public appeal to Hellsangel. Thank you for that. I am just pointing out to you that ignoring all of Hellsangel's posts--as you are asking me to do*--is not possible in this situation and i give my reason.

* https://such.forumotion.com/t4792-regarding-hellsangel-s-persistent-usage-of-purported-real-names-of-posters-he-disagrees-with#38128

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:34 am

When charvaka has stated many times earlier that if you want a post removed because of personal information, I don't see the point in dragging him in every time you have an issue, when you know exactly what you need to do to resolve it. Unless you send him a note and he doesn't respond, I am not sure why you need to keep complaining.

Besides, you know very well that he disapproves of this, and he has said it often. So again, what's the point of asking for a "formal" request, and that too in the role of an admin?

This site has been on for 10 months now, and you are pretty much the only one who keeps bringing his 'admin' role up. Pretty much all of us have forgotten this, and treat him just like any other poster. But you continue to put him on the spot.

Moreover, don't you think it's ironic that while you want him to mediate on your privacy issue, you still keep saying you don't trust him with admin powers, including your fear that he will read your private notes.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:39 am

Tracy Whitney wrote:When charvaka has stated many times earlier that if you want a post removed because of personal information, I don't see the point in dragging him in every time you have an issue, when you know exactly what you need to do to resolve it. Unless you send him a note and he doesn't respond, I am not sure why you need to keep complaining.

Besides, you know very well that he disapproves of this, and he has said it often. So again, what's the point of asking for a "formal" request, and that too in the role of an admin?

This site has been on for 10 months now, and you are pretty much the only one who keeps bringing his 'admin' role up. Pretty much all of us have forgotten this, and treat him just like any other poster. But you continue to put him on the spot.

Moreover, don't you think it's ironic that while you want him to mediate on your privacy issue, you still keep saying you don't trust him with admin powers, including your fear that he will read your private notes.

I am satisfied with Charvak's public appeal to Hellsangel. Since only Hellsangel was indulging in this behavior and revealing personal details of other posters (not just me but also Luke Warmus) it was right for the person with Admin powers in this forum to at least make a formal request to Hellsangel to cease this behavior. Charvaka agreed with me on this point and issued such a request, and i have thanked him for this.

After all, it is unreasonable to expect Luke Warmus or me to keep scrutinizing each and every post of Hellsangel. I would like to point out in this connection what Max said earlier: this forum will become untenable if people start revealing the purported real names of other posters on this forum. Clearly, he feels as strongly about this issue as i do. I am confident there are other posters in this forum who will share the view of Max and yours truly on this particular issue.

by truthbetold Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:02 am

I did some googlling and found some information including names. I do not know if they are real or not. Flimflam's intense hatred of India and Hinduism goes beyond a normal person's outrage against social evils. Rashmun stretches facts and makes outrageous statements based on unverifiable data with a sample size of one. Fighting such venemous attitudes is important but one should fight a good fight. I see NO ROLE FOR PERSONAL INFORMTION in this clash of opinions . One should be able to dissect opposing arguments without getting truely personal.

Once you know a persons true identity, we have to be civil with each other. I join my voice to request everyone not to post any real personal information. Better yet do not look for others personal information.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:29 am

though i have been guilty of revealing purported real names in the past, i do not think using purported real names is a good idea. even though my personal views on this are a bit ambivalent, i sense that the general mood of most participants here (max, artood2, tbt, bw, tw) is that purported real names and personal information should never be revealed or brought up. if an elite majority feels this way, i am glad to follow. i hope others adhere to this too.

by Kris Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:59 am

charvaka wrote:I find the use of purported real names distasteful. I believe using these names in arguments -- however heated they are -- is a violation of basic courtesy. However, we need to balance that with posters' ability to say whatever they want to say without censorship.

As admin, I have already stated that I am willing to remove posts / names from posts on request from any member. If there is a post that refers to you by a name that is implied as your real name, let me know (a note to the charvaka ID would suffice) that you would like that name to be removed. I do NOT need to know whether the name is your actual real name or not.

This topic was discussed at length here: https://such.forumotion.com/t2718-disclosure-of-posters-personal-information.

>>>>The easiest solution here would be to remove the post, if the person on the receiving end objects to it. Unfortunately, given the time constraints involved, it would have to be up to that person to bring it to the attention of the admin.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:20 am

Kris wrote:
charvaka wrote:I find the use of purported real names distasteful. I believe using these names in arguments -- however heated they are -- is a violation of basic courtesy. However, we need to balance that with posters' ability to say whatever they want to say without censorship.

As admin, I have already stated that I am willing to remove posts / names from posts on request from any member. If there is a post that refers to you by a name that is implied as your real name, let me know (a note to the charvaka ID would suffice) that you would like that name to be removed. I do NOT need to know whether the name is your actual real name or not.

This topic was discussed at length here: https://such.forumotion.com/t2718-disclosure-of-posters-personal-information.

>>>>The easiest solution here would be to remove the post, if the person on the receiving end objects to it. Unfortunately, given the time constraints involved, it would have to be up to that person to bring it to the attention of the admin.

--> this is an excellent suggestion if several people were indulging in this practice. in the present case, only one person is indulging in this behavior, and that too persistently. the easiest solution therefore is for that one person to be identified before all the members of this forum and for that person to know that a clear majority of forum members object to this behavior.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:29 am

Rashmun wrote:
--> this is an excellent suggestion if several people were indulging in this practice. in the present case, only one person is indulging in this behavior, and that too persistently. the easiest solution therefore is for that one person to be identified before all the members of this forum and for that person to know that a clear majority of forum members object to this behavior.

How about removing all your posts and threads wherein you have dragged family members of other posters?

By all means remove all my posts and threads where I am supposedly dragged your family members.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:49 am

would you also support banning posts where the user uses some names, imagined or real (sandeep seetharamayya, rashmunullah, merlot maulana, uppilanicus knowitallus, sexy singaramma) etc? or is it only painful when your ideological bretheren are hurt?

by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:51 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:though i have been guilty of revealing purported real names in the past, i do not think using purported real names is a good idea. even though my personal views on this are a bit ambivalent, i sense that the general mood of most participants here (max, artood2, tbt, bw, tw) is that purported real names and personal information should never be revealed or brought up. if an elite majority feels this way, i am glad to follow. i hope others adhere to this too.

hahahaaaa

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:55 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:would you also support banning posts where the user uses some names, imagined or real (sandeep seetharamayya, rashmunullah, merlot maulana, uppilanicus knowitallus, sexy singaramma) etc? or is it only painful when your ideological bretheren are hurt?

As far as I am concerned NOTHING should be deleted or banned, and everyone should reserve the right to hit back at whoever is perceived to abuse them.

But, if some posts are deleted due to Rashmunullah Jehadi Al-Akbar's perceived abuse at him, then the Admin should remove all of his posts FIRST before even considering those that refer to him as Asatya Upadhraya ji.

BTW who is Sexy Singaramma...Sounds cute and would not mind calling whoever it is myself.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:56 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:would you also support banning posts where the user uses some names, imagined or real (sandeep seetharamayya, rashmunullah, merlot maulana, uppilanicus knowitallus, sexy singaramma) etc? or is it only painful when your ideological bretheren are hurt?

As far as I am concerned NOTHING should be deleted or banned, and everyone should reserve the right to hit back at whoever is perceived to abuse them.

But, if some posts are deleted due to Rashmunullah Jehadi Al-Akbar's perceived abuse at him, then the Admin should remove all of his posts FIRST before even considering those that refer to him as Asatya Upadhraya ji.

BTW who is Sexy Singaramma...Sounds cute and would not mind calling whoever it is myself.

there's a poster that calls herself nasty bitch. I dont like using the b word or n word hence changed it to show her in a positive light.

by Impedimenta Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 am

LOL @ sexy singaramma!

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:would you also support banning posts where the user uses some names, imagined or real (sandeep seetharamayya, rashmunullah, merlot maulana, uppilanicus knowitallus, sexy singaramma) etc?

no, that should attract more harsh punishment. we must all go piss on his hovel in arlington, thanks. (did i just type thanks for texas?)

by Impedimenta Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:01 am

btw, i also want a motion to have the name "parimaLa" wiped out from my CH record.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:10 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:would you also support banning posts where the user uses some names, imagined or real (sandeep seetharamayya, rashmunullah, merlot maulana, uppilanicus knowitallus, sexy singaramma) etc?

no, that should attract more harsh punishment. we must all go piss on his hovel in arlington, thanks. (did i just type thanks for texas?)

uh oh you mentioned the general proximity of a power user and can cause untold damage to the reputation and psyche of the user. this must be grounds for future calls for your dismissal and post removal when you irk the elite once too often.

PS: where is vinod gupte these days? havent seen him around. can you send some ppl to a western state of not insignificant size (in a subcontinent of not significant size) to enquire about his whereabouts? I understand he might be sensitive about his location.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:16 am

i don't know if he lives in arlington -- i read arlington somewhere. probably arlington is right; just that i don't remember. but yes, every time i used to type txs in chat, he'd go: why are you taking the name of my state?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:02 pm

charvaka wrote: This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

Hypothetical question. What is the guarantee that any admin could not use that small occasion to not only delete the posts but glean any and all other information about others ?

Just a question...and a daboot, not that you will do any such thing.

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:06 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Hypothetical question. What is the guarantee that any admin could not use that small occasion to not only delete the posts but glean any and all other information about others ?

Just a question...and a daboot, not that you will do any such thing.

uppili da, you should retire while the going is good. (OMG i just revealed that you are same as uppili of old ch!)

by charvaka Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
charvaka wrote: This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

Hypothetical question. What is the guarantee that any admin could not use that small occasion to not only delete the posts but glean any and all other information about others ?

Just a question...and a daboot, not that you will do any such thing.

There is no guarantee other than my saying that I am not going to do that. The only information that IS available to me when I login as admin is the IP address, and I haven't looked up anyone's IP address so far and don't intend to do so in future.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:27 pm

charvaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:good natured ribbing, downright abuse, and slights against assumed anonymous handles have all been par for the course both at sulekha and here. they are in poor taste and even deplorable sometimes, but they are not nearly as harmful as using real names, unless the person at the receiving end has a very weak mental constitution. i disagree with uppili (saamiyaar).

and before uppili trots out his defense of the practice, namely that everyone knows everyone's name here, let me add that may be true or not, i don't know; and it doesn't matter to me. knowing is one thing, but publicly using it when the poster wants to remain anonymous is quite another. using others' real names makes the very existence of this forum untenable.
I agree. This is why I am willing to make an exception to my natural inclination for no moderation at all, and be prepared to remove personal information that has been disclosed against the wishes of posters. If anyone has an issue with a post that purports to disclose their personal information, they should send me a note and I will remove it as soon as possible.

this and the appeal you have made directly to HA is good enough for me. i agree there is nothing more that can be reasonably done.

by Maria S Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:29 pm

Speaking for myself:

*This makes me very uncomfortable, and the reason why I don't participate in unmoderated forums.

I may seem hypersensitive- and I am when it comes to privacy/trust/confidentiality. Unless someone explicitly gives permission to publish personal info, or explicitly says "stop it", when they feel badly about something, the right thing would be to stop it and leave them alone. *One has to remember- everyone has families, and I assume important work they do..and when someone is "distraught/distressed"..it's not just them..but most def. affects others in their lives.

I assume we all participate in on line forums not to enjoy abusing others and not be abused by others..the line may be different for others, but, these are the lines (in general) for me. I don't function well without mutual respect- and assume/really know most others dont' either.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:39 pm

Maria S wrote:Speaking for myself:

*This makes me very uncomfortable, and the reason why I don't participate in unmoderated forums.

The problem with moderation is that everything is defined per moderator or those who have influence on him. He/she will define respect, decor, and other etc... through his vision or prism of thoughts.

dont think anyone abuses Kris (I promise to within the next 15 days). I know that you are criticised for your responding style. Personal attacks on your profession or religion are partly due to your mistake of revealing them (I never revealed that I am a Muslim). Since Padre can only use those factors he uses them to upset you.

P.S. I categorically neither acknowledge nor deny that I am Uppili.

by Maria S Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:46 pm

*I don't know why you are bringing up things- associations..not to mention- what posters did in the past..it does not do anyone any good.

I am not here to tell people what to enjoy or how to enjoy themselves.If posters think they are "desensitized"..enough and love to continue the cycles..carry on!

This turns me off..and it's just not for me.

by chameli Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:24 pm

If hard core porn clips are allowed to be displayed on forum ( warning or no warning )

If chats are allowed to be reproduced on forum

then it makes little difference if real( purported ? what the hell is that ?) names are disclosed or not

Each disclosee should take it up with the discloser

Administration needn't interfere

by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:01 pm

real names should never be used (except if they are for the arlington guy). no need to compare this stricture to any other to dilute it's importance. period.

note: arlington guy is an exception to rules (be they his own or those that apply to humans).

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