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"Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence Bill" (PCTV Bill)

Read carefully what Dr. Subramanian Swamy has analysed about that Bill:

Minority institutions including Jamait-e-Ulema are forcing Congress for passing this bill. Congress wants this bill to win 2014 election with 'Minority' votes.

Salient features of The Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence Bill- PCTV Bill :-

1) Based on the presumption that all 'Hindus are Criminals and Rioters' ,this law can be invoked only against Hindus by minorities. (the bill defines Muslims, Christians etc. as “the Minority Group” in (sec 3.e))

2) Merely a complaint will be sufficient to file a FIR and the Hindu against whom the complaint is made, will be immediately arrested and assumed guilty UNLESS PROVEN otherwise (In normal criminal procedure, an accused is assumed innocent unless proven guilty);

3) All crimes under this Bill are Cognizable and Non-bailable [Clause 56 of may 2011 version];

4) It can trigger a new wave of extortion by minority groups against Hindus, the majority of whom are the working and business class. This will have colossal negative repercussions for the Indian economy.

5) Section 129 states that for prosecution of offences under Sec 9 there will be no limitation of time. It means a 'Minority' can reopen all cases against Hindus, all past cases right from 1950 onwards.

6) Under Sec. 42, A minority witness giving false statement before National authority CANNOT be prosecuted for giving FALSE evidence against a Hindu.
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Summary ?
Just like Pakistan, Bangladesh or Kashmir,
Hindus will be left with 3 options:
(i) Convert
(ii) Flee
(iii) Suffer entire life

So oppose this Anti-Hindu, Anti-Bharat Bill by making all Hindus aware of its dangers and unite to fight it and remove the Anti-Hindu & Anti-Bharat party who drafted this bill, or be prepared for above 3 options left for you & your children.
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(NAC download link for bill- .http://nac.nic.in/pdf/pctvb.pdf)

Bringing in this bill only exposes the real objective of CONmen - to win in elections to get power and to loot. The voters are not stupid. They will eventually hang Marie Antoinette and Chauchesku in front of Parliament.  The Laloos, Mulayams, etc., will also face the same fate if they continue playing the game.

no wonders muslim clergy are unhappy with congress. this bill should have been passed by now they feel.

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Govt prepares to table communal violence bill in Winter Session of Parliament
New Delhi, October 20, 2013

After years of song and dance, Congress has decided to bite the bullet on the bill against communla violence.
Sources confirmed that the Centre has made up its mind to introduce the Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence Bill in the Winter Session of Parliament.
Highly placed sources confirmed that government has taken this Bill out of cold storage and begun the process to hammer out the details.
They also said senior Home Ministry officials have already been apprised of the matter and instructions have come right from the top.

The Bill, in its current avatar, is being opposed by the BJP and some regional parties.
Sources also confirmed that certain key issues of the Bill are being reconciled as the National Advisory Council's (NAC) version is being disputed by many political parties.

After the violence in Muzaffarnagar, Minority Affairs Minister Rehman Khan had shot off a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh urging him to bring the Bill as soon as possible.
Sources say the Congress is keen that the Bill be introduced and debated in Parliament and should not go the ordinance route.
"Even if it fails, it will showcase our commitment towards secular politics and position on communal violence," said a highly-placed source in the government.

The Bill seeks to impose the duty, both on the Centre and the state governments, to exercise power to prevent targeted violence, including mass violence against SCs, STs and linguistic and religious minorities.

It defines communal and targeted violence and imposes penalty on public servants for dereliction of duty.
The Bill also strengthens the rights of the victims in the criminal justice system and envisages a national standard for all affected persons.
The relief and reparation, including compensation, would remain the same for all, including the dominant group, and incidents of violence and loss of lives, livelihoods and homes would be recognised in the same manner.

It would also lead to setting up of the National Authority for Communal Harmony, Justice and Reparation but its recommendations wouldn't be binding.
Though various leaders have been harping about this bill for a long time but now Congress has finally decided to push the Bill.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/communal-violence-bill-winter-session-parliament-congress/1/317234.html

>>> Brigadier HK,

How is that Indian army is able to maintain harmony among soldiers from various communities and religions? What were the strategies employed by the office corps to make sure Ram and Rahim got along when they were in the foxhole?

Based on your experience do you think the same techniques could be employed to maintain peace and harmony among Hindus and various minority groups?

Your valuable insights are very much appreciated especially by KV and myself.

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:no wonders muslim clergy are unhappy with congress. this bill should have been passed by now they feel.

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Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/communal-violence-bill-winter-session-parliament-congress/1/317234.html

CONmen will do what they did with the Food Security Bill. They will pass this through Ordnance.

Hope they do.... bcz hopefully it will create SOME unification among the hindus - the very thing that CONmen are accusing Modi of doing.

Una pergunta: What if the Sunnis bomb a Shia procession and kill/bomb a bunch of Shiites? Or Dkheads attack a bunch of Brahmins or Devars attack Vanniyars?

BTW, the Chief Maulana Gaywala Merlot Jehadi, and Maulana Rashmunullah Akbari have gone underground on these topics/threads (Or, are they busy with their Diwali "fireworks" preparations?)

>>> Bunch of hypocrites. A government that cannot ensure safety and security in public for women has no business of coming up with idiotic bills like this.

The Congress party has made appeasement of the vote bank an art form

Rishi wrote:>>> Brigadier HK,

How is that Indian army is able to maintain harmony among soldiers from various communities and religions? What were the strategies employed by the office corps to make sure Ram and Rahim got along when they were in the foxhole?

Based on your experience do you think the same techniques could be employed to maintain peace and harmony among Hindus and various minority groups?

Your valuable insights are very much appreciated especially by KV and myself.

rishi betey, jab bhi hamare jawanon ke beech ram aur rahim ka jhagda hota tha to mein kehta tha kuch meetha ho jaye aur mithai ka dabba unke samne rakh deta tha. bas, sab toot padte the aur foran jhagda khatam, problem solved. wo mithai ke dabbe ki foto kal mein post karunga.

Hellsangel wrote:Dear All,
This is a very serious matter concerning Hindus and hence no media, newspapers or TV news channels is discussing it.

Forward this message to a minimum of twenty people on your contact list; and in turn ask each of them to do likewise.

In three days, most people in India will have this message.

"Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence Bill" (PCTV Bill)

Read carefully what Dr. Subramanian Swamy has analysed about that Bill:

Minority institutions including Jamait-e-Ulema are forcing Congress for passing this bill. Congress wants this bill to win 2014 election with 'Minority' votes.

Salient features of The Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence Bill- PCTV Bill :-

1) Based on the presumption that all 'Hindus are Criminals and Rioters' ,this law can be invoked only against Hindus by minorities. (the bill defines Muslims, Christians etc. as “the Minority Group” in (sec 3.e))

2) Merely a complaint will be sufficient to file a FIR and the Hindu against whom the complaint is made, will be immediately arrested and assumed guilty UNLESS PROVEN otherwise (In normal criminal procedure, an accused is assumed innocent unless proven guilty);

3) All crimes under this Bill are Cognizable and Non-bailable [Clause 56 of may 2011 version];

4) It can trigger a new wave of extortion by minority groups against Hindus, the majority of whom are the working and business class. This will have colossal negative repercussions for the Indian economy.

5) Section 129 states that for prosecution of offences under Sec 9 there will be no limitation of time. It means a 'Minority' can reopen all cases against Hindus, all past cases right from 1950 onwards.

6) Under Sec. 42, A minority witness giving false statement before National authority CANNOT be prosecuted for giving FALSE evidence against a Hindu.
___________________________

Summary ?
Just like Pakistan, Bangladesh or Kashmir,
Hindus will be left with 3 options:
(i) Convert
(ii) Flee
(iii) Suffer entire life

So oppose this Anti-Hindu, Anti-Bharat Bill by making all Hindus aware of its dangers and unite to fight it and remove the Anti-Hindu & Anti-Bharat party who drafted this bill, or be prepared for above 3 options left for you & your children.
___________________________

(NAC download link for bill- .http://nac.nic.in/pdf/pctvb.pdf)

I knew about the bill and had mentioned this earlier, when it was introduced first, but I am surprised about item (6) above. This is horrible, and blatantly against Majority who are Hindus. 
I think the idea of Congress bringing out this bill around December is to divert the attention of BJP's campaign against the economic mismanagement of Congress which appears to be succeeding. They know they cannot take on BJP on development with their record of endemic corruption , nepotism and economic mismanagement (erosion of buying power, ballooning short term external debt, and high CAD). So by bringing this out and making the debate all about this, they want to get Muslims to their side and also get SC/ST's to vote for them. With the combined strength they can win UP. 


BJP and nationalistic parties should expose congress for their anti-Hindu bias, but needs to  be careful not to fall into the trap. I hope sensible heads in Congress comes out against this plan and stop it, and take on the party leadership for their anti-Hindu/Anti-sikh and extremely communal mindset of congress, which is divisive and pits one community against another. 


They claim that definition of majority will be district wise. So Non-muslims can hope for some help from law, only if Muslims are in a majority in a district. But we all know as mentioned in Lajja how with the help of Police establishment they drive out Non-muslims by intimidation and harassment, where even a strong law cannot help. No wonder Shahi Imam is asking for a Muslim DSP in each police station. Congress is becoming Blatantly communal. Perhaps they are thinking that as always using a pliant media they can divide Hindus.  This bill if passed will cause marginalization of Hindus in the long run, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, with Political Islamic Muslims running riot, ably aided by the silence of educated Muslims.

This is a wrong way to handle any sort of prejudice among Police or other government machinery, against any community. Shame on Congress party and NAC, which created this divisive bill.

But WHAT IF a village has majority Muslims and torture the Minority Non-muslims, no answer to that. Can't communal violence be combated in any other manner in such a way that any person affected be taken care irrespective of which community he belongs and provocateurs arrested. With this bill, it is clear Congress is the MOST COMMUNAL and ANTI-HINDU/ANTI-SIKH party in India. No pretense anymore. It is blatantly anti-Hindu. They are adding Linguistic minorities and SC/ST to pit one community against another. dividing people. It is a shame that they are so blatant. Congress has completely removed all pretense of its being secular and are pandering to Muslims and are playing a dangerous game. Sonia Gandhi until now with NAC allegedly wrecked the economy, but now she is intent on wrecking the security of of country and future of Non-muslims in India itself for short term pursuit of block voting community like Muslims. As seen in Assam, congress is always known to ignore long term threats to national security in pursuit of votes. I hope sensible Hindus /Sikhsin Congress speak up against the dictatorial Sonia led NAC. 

I hope Hindus/Sikhs realize this and vote enmasse against Congress in Lok Sabha electons.

"Even if it fails, it will showcase our commitment towards secular politics and position on communal violence," said a highly-placed source in the government.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAA! this is called wanting to have the cake and eating it too. musalman khush nahi hua. na hi hindu. unless this bill is considerably watered down, congress will lose favour with hindus. and the muslims will not be appeased without an ordinance. congress is unwittingly making this election hindus vs others -- a losing proposition for it.

I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

For you - not a big deal.

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

are you serious? please google and answer your own question. some of the provisions in this bill are draconian and liable to be abused, namely:

- no limitation of time
- (and the worst provision) FIR can be lodged merely on a complaint! you will have to surrender before a magistrate because the sections this law attracts are non-bailable.

if such a law was already in place for other minorities, it would have created quite a sensation by now i presume.

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

are you serious? please google and answer your own question. some of the provisions in this bill are draconian and liable to be abused, namely:

- no limitation of time
- (and the worst provision) FIR can be lodged merely on a complaint! you will have to surrender before a magistrate because the sections this law attracts are non-bailable.

if such a law was already in place for other minorities, it would have created quite a sensation by now i presume.

You should check out SC/ST act; this post (OP, forwarded e-mail) might find permanent home @ snopes.com

confuzzled dude wrote:

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

are you serious? please google and answer your own question. some of the provisions in this bill are draconian and liable to be abused, namely:

- no limitation of time
- (and the worst provision) FIR can be lodged merely on a complaint! you will have to surrender before a magistrate because the sections this law attracts are non-bailable.

if such a law was already in place for other minorities, it would have created quite a sensation by now i presume.

You should check out SC/ST act; this post (OP, forwarded e-mail) might find permanent home @ snopes.com

You didn't take a moment to click on the link and read the proposed bill at the NAC website, did you?

confuzzled dude wrote:
You should check out SC/ST act

i did. it does not have the provisions listed by subramanian swamy above. its salient points are to increase the punishment for "atrocities" against sc/sts (not "complaints") and to appoint special courts for trials.

this post (OP, forwarded e-mail) might find permanent home @ snopes.com

 this bill is going to be tabled in the winter session of the parliament. are you perchance, or fancy yourself to be, a sri sri commie?

Unless the Govt. first gets rid of casteist and discriminatory caste based quotas and privileges in education and jobs and the separate religious laws for different communities, this bill's purpose seems only to keep people quiet about the Govt's flawed minority vote bank policies.

http://creative.sulekha.com/parliamentary-faux-pas_595163_blog

confuzzled dude wrote:
You should check out SC/ST act; this post (OP, forwarded e-mail) might find permanent home @ snopes.com

Why cant the law simply apply for anyone against anyone This law assumes that the minorities are holy and non-violent (yep...their religion does not approve violence, holy books loves everyone and hence no one will indulge in violence, and finally if someone did he never belonged to that religion - heard this a million times.)

When will India stop dividing people on the basis of a 100 different categories and still hope to be equal to everyone?

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

are you serious? please google and answer your own question. some of the provisions in this bill are draconian and liable to be abused, namely:

- no limitation of time
- (and the worst provision) FIR can be lodged merely on a complaint! you will have to surrender before a magistrate because the sections this law attracts are non-bailable.

if such a law was already in place for other minorities, it would have created quite a sensation by now i presume.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-11/india/33762206_1_st-act-justices-p-sathasivam-offence

Remember in India, It's one thing to make a law and is totally different thing when it comes to enacting it.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:I thought a similar law exists to protect [non-muslim] minorities, SC/ST act, how is this any different and a big deal?

are you serious? please google and answer your own question. some of the provisions in this bill are draconian and liable to be abused, namely:

- no limitation of time
- (and the worst provision) FIR can be lodged merely on a complaint! you will have to surrender before a magistrate because the sections this law attracts are non-bailable.

if such a law was already in place for other minorities, it would have created quite a sensation by now i presume.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-11/india/33762206_1_st-act-justices-p-sathasivam-offence

Remember in India, It's one thing to make a law and is totally different thing when it comes to enacting it.

i do not see how this SC ruling or the provision in the POA act is as dangerous as the provisions stated by swamy above. the POA act states that AB ought not to be granted in cases involving atrocities against SC/ST minorities. the SC has clarified this provision in its ruling. what it means is that IF an FIR has been lodged against you under POA (which cannot be done without investigation), then you will not be entitled to AB. this is a far cry from if a complaint or general diary has been made against you, it will automatically convert into an FIR (without investigation) and you will be immediately arrested. around the same time the above ruling was made by SC last year, SC also ruled that ABs should NOT be granted in the absence of the accused in court (which means AB is analogous to surrender now and pretty much redundant). the SC has clamped down on the misuse of ABs.

your point?