Padmini woman vs Hastini woman in Sanskrit literature

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

funny coz the shashtras (or is it sutrs) of that time didn't approve of [email=or@l]or@l[/email] secs, etc. Also they couldn't test before marriage. After marriage sorta pointless to find out if you got a padmini or a hastini or some hybrid. And even when you do find you, not like you can declare to the world, 'It smells of the barnyards, which -ini is that?!' You just suck it up and sit quiet.

Rashmun wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

funny coz the shashtras (or is it sutrs) of that time didn't approve of [email=or@l]or@l[/email] secs, etc. Also they couldn't test before marriage. After marriage sorta pointless to find out if you got a padmini or a hastini or some hybrid. And even when you do find you, not like you can declare to the world, 'It smells of the barnyards, which -ini is that?!' You just suck it up and sit quiet.

Actually the Kamasutra not only talks of oral sex, but also endorses it. Further since a man could have multiple wives it would have been no big deal if he would have ended up with a hastini.

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

funny coz the shashtras (or is it sutrs) of that time didn't approve of [email=or@l]or@l[/email] secs, etc. Also they couldn't test before marriage. After marriage sorta pointless to find out if you got a padmini or a hastini or some hybrid. And even when you do find you, not like you can declare to the world, 'It smells of the barnyards, which -ini is that?!' You just suck it up and sit quiet.

Actually the Kamasutra not only talks of oral sex, but also endorses it. Further since a man could have multiple wives it would have been no big deal if he would have ended up with a hastini.

from what i r'ber ks was against atleast beejays as it was something assigned for male pr0stitutes or something.

Rashmun wrote:She in whom the following signs and symptoms appear, is called Padmini, or Lotus-woman. 1 Her face is pleasing as the full moon; her body, well clothed with flesh., is soft as the Shiras 2 or mustard-flower; her skin is fine, tender and fair as the yellow lotus, never dark-coloured, though resembling, in the effervescence and purple light of her youth, the cloud about to burst. 


Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 


Her Yoni 3 resembles the open lotus-bud, and her Love-seed (Kama-salila, the water of life) 4 is perfumed like the lily which has newly burst. She walks with swanlike gait, and her voice is low and musical as the note of the Kokila-bird 5; she delights in white raiment, in fine jewels, and in rich dresses. She eats little, sleeps lightly and, being as respectable and religious as she is clever and courteous she is ever anxious to worship the gods, and to enjoy the conversation of Brahmans. Such, then, is the Padmini, or Lotus-woman....

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

Rashmun wrote:

Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 

bw wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 

yuck - that will be creepy!

Kris wrote:

bw wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 

yuck - that will be creepy!

>>> Different strokes, different folks, BW. What are the wrinkles abut the umbilical region? Seems like a geography lesson.

Kris wrote:

bw wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 

yuck - that will be creepy!

>>> Different strokes, different folks, BW. What are the wrinkles abut the umbilical region? Seems like a geography lesson.

Rashmun wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I am amazed at the level of detail the Sanskrit writers have gone to in characterizing the perfect woman. So much so that one of the ingredients for being a perfect woman according to them is whether her love juice (Kama-salila) has a foul odor or whether it is "perfumed like a newly burst lilly".

funny coz the shashtras (or is it sutrs) of that time didn't approve of [email=or@l]or@l[/email] secs, etc. Also they couldn't test before marriage. After marriage sorta pointless to find out if you got a padmini or a hastini or some hybrid. And even when you do find you, not like you can declare to the world, 'It smells of the barnyards, which -ini is that?!' You just suck it up and sit quiet.

Actually the Kamasutra not only talks of oral sex, but also endorses it. Further since a man could have multiple wives it would have been no big deal if he would have ended up with a hastini.

from what i r'ber ks was against atleast beejays as it was something assigned for male pr0stitutes or something.

The Auparishtaka is practised also by unchaste and wanton women, female attendants and serving maids, i.e. those who are not married to anybody, but who live by shampooing.

The Acharyas (i.e. ancient and venerable authors) are of opinion that this Auparishtaka is the work of a dog and not of a man, because it is a low practice, and opposed to the orders of the Holy Writ, and because the man himself suffers by bringing his lingam into contact with the mouths of eunuchs and women. But Vatsyayana says that the orders of the Holy Writ do not affect those who resort to courtesans, and the law prohibits the practice of the Auparishtaka with married women only. As regards the injury to the male, that can be easily remedied.

The people of Eastern India do not resort to women who practise the Auparishtaka.

The people of Ahichhatra resort to such women, but do nothing with them, so far as the mouth is concerned.

The people of Saketa do with these women every kind of mouth congress, while the people of Nagara do not practise this, but do every other thing.

The people of the Shurasena country, on the southern bank of the Jumna, do everything without any hesitation, for they say that women being naturally unclean, no one can be certain about their character, their purity, their conduct, their practices, their confidences, or their speech....

Vatsyayana moreover thinks that in all these things connected with love, everybody should act according to the custom of his country, and his own inclination.

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bw wrote:

Kris wrote:

bw wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 

yuck - that will be creepy!

>>> Different strokes, different folks, BW. What are the wrinkles abut the umbilical region? Seems like a geography lesson.

those could be love handles.  toppai mamas' fetish for gundu maamis maybe   

imagine seeing saliva going down the throat - reminds me of those creepy, sickly white, lizards seen around tubelights in india.

Kinnera wrote:Ain't my husband the luckiest one!

 

Rashmun wrote:She in whom the following signs and symptoms appear, is called Padmini, or Lotus-woman. 1 Her face is pleasing as the full moon; her body, well clothed with flesh., is soft as the Shiras 2 or mustard-flower; her skin is fine, tender and fair as the yellow lotus, never dark-coloured, though resembling, in the effervescence and purple light of her youth, the cloud about to burst. ...

Kris wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Ain't my husband the luckiest one!

 

>>>Kinnera,

He was a Padmini fan?  I thought she died a few years ago.

Rashmun wrote:She in whom the following signs and symptoms appear, is called Padmini, or Lotus-woman. 1 Her face is pleasing as the full moon; her body, well clothed with flesh., is soft as the Shiras 2 or mustard-flower; her skin is fine, tender and fair as the yellow lotus, never dark-coloured, though resembling, in the effervescence and purple light of her youth, the cloud about to burst. 


Her eyes are bright and beautiful as the orbs of the fawn, well-cut, and with reddish corners. Her bosom is hard, full and high; her neck is goodly shaped as the conch-shell, so delicate that the saliva can be seen through it; her nose is straight and lovely, and three folds of wrinkles cross her middle, about the umbilical region. 


Her Yoni 3 resembles the open lotus-bud, and her Love-seed (Kama-salila, the water of life) 4 is perfumed like the lily which has newly burst. She walks with swanlike gait, and her voice is low and musical as the note of the Kokila-bird 5; she delights in white raiment, in fine jewels, and in rich dresses. She eats little, sleeps lightly and, being as respectable and religious as she is clever and courteous she is ever anxious to worship the gods, and to enjoy the conversation of Brahmans. Such, then, is the Padmini, or Lotus-woman....


The Hastini is short of stature; she has a stout, coarse body, and her skin, if fair, is of a dead white; her hair is tawny, her lips are large; her voice is harsh, choked, and throaty (voix de gorge) and her neck is bent. Her gait is slow, and she walks in a slouching manner; often the toes of one foot are crooked. Her Kama-salila has the savour of the juice which flows in the spring from the elephant's temples. She is tardy in the Art of Love, and can be satisfied only by prolonged congress, in fact, the longer the better, but it will never suffice her. She is gluttonous, shameless, and irascible. Such is the Hastini, or elephant-woman. 10



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Rashmun wrote:And as men are divided into three classes by the length of the Linga, so the four orders of women, Padmini, Chitrini, Shankhini and Hastini, may be subdivided into three kinds, according to the depth and extent of the Yoni. These are the Mrigi, also called Harini, the Deer-woman; the Vadava or Ashvini, Mare-woman; and the Karini, or Elephant-woman.


The Mrigi has a Yoni six fingers deep. Her body is delicate, with girlish aspect, soft and tender. Her head is small and well-proportioned; her bosom stands up well; her stomach is thin and drawn in; her thighs and Mons Veneris are fleshy, and her build below the hips is solid, whilst her arms from the shoulder downwards are large and rounded. Her hair is thick and curly; her eyes are black as the dark lotus-flower; her nostrils are fine; her cheeks and cars are large; her hands, feet, and lower lip are ruddy, and her fingers are straight. Her voice is that of the Kokila bird, and her gait the rolling of the elephant. She eats moderately, but is much addicted to the pleasure of love; she is affectionate but jealous, and she is active in mind when not subdued by her passions. Her Kama-salila has the pleasant perfume of the lotus-flower.


The Vadava or Ashvini numbers nine fingers depth. Her body is delicate; her arms are thick from the shoulders downwards; her breasts and hips are broad and fleshy, and her umbilical region is high-raised, but without protuberant stomach. Her hands and feet are red like flowers, and well-proportioned. Her head slopes forwards and is covered with long and straight hair; her forehead is retreating; her neck is long and much bent; her throat, eyes, and mouth are broad, and her eyes are like the petals of the dark lotus. She has a graceful walk, and she loves sleep and good living. Though choleric and versatile, she is affectionate to her husband; she does not easily arrive at the venereal spasm, and her Kama-salila is perfumed like the lotus.


The Karini has a Yoni twelve fingers in depth. Un clean in her person, she has large breasts; her nose, ears, and throat are long and thick; her cheeks are blown or expanded; her lips are long and bent outwards (bordes); her eyes are fierce and yellow-tinged; her face is broad; her hair is thick and somewhat blackish; her feet, hands, and arms are short and fat; and her teeth are large and sharp as a dog's. She is noisy when eating; her voice is hard and harsh; she is gluttonous in the extreme, and her joints crack with every movement. Of a wicked and utterly shameless disposition, she never hesitates to commit sin. Excited and disquieted by carnal desires, she is not easily satisfied, and requires congress unusually protracted. Her Kama-salila is very abundant, and it suggests the juice which flows from the elephant's temples.


The wise man will bear in mind that all these characteristics are not equally well defined and their proportions can be known only by experience. Mostly the temperaments are mixed; often we find a combination of two and in some cases even of three. Great study, therefore, is required in judging by the absence or presence of the signs and symptoms, to choose the Chandrakala and other manipulations proper to the several differences, as without such judgment the consequences of congress are not satisfactory. Thus the student is warned that the several distinctions of Padmani, Chitrini, Shankhini and Hastini; of Shasta, Vrishabha, and Ashva, and of Mrigi (Harini), Vadava (Ashvini), and Karini are seldom found pure, and that it is his duty to learn the proportions in which they combine.


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