Muslims in Varanasi to support Congress en masse

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:43 pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

by rawemotions Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:10 pm

Rashmun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

This is Al-Taqiya

I have a feeling Muslims have decided EnMasse to support AK. They are sending mixed messages to avoid Hindu Polarization towards Modi and ensure that Bhumihars and other Non BJP supporting Hindus support Rai, thinking that he might win. This would cause a split in Hindu votes among all three, with Muslim votes going to AK making him the winner.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:28 pm

Rashmun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

are there exactly 283 muslims in varanasi? they must all be intellectuals.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:37 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

are there exactly 283 muslims in varanasi? they must all be intellectuals.

i dont understand. according to the article there are over 3 lakh muslims in Varanasi.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

are there exactly 283 muslims in varanasi? they must all be intellectuals.

i dont understand. according to the article there are over 3 lakh muslims in Varanasi.

this thread and this post in particular may be helpful.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:02 pm

don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:13 pm

Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.

by rawemotions Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:18 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.

A guy addresses the crowd and says 25 Crore Muslims can Kill 75 Crore Hindus and everybody applauds. You call these supporters normal people who can be convinced ? So those supporters are gone, any amount of placating will not bring them back.

But there are normal folks among Muslims. However MIM and Razakars control Old City as their fiefdom. Normal folks are scared.
Let EC announce that ONLY votes combined at a constituency level is declared. Then the truth with come out.

Have you tried going to the Old City and canvass. MIM does not let anybody even the Police in.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:30 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.

Do you even have any idea what you are talking about?

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:41 pm

rawemotions wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.
A guy addresses the crowd and says 25 Crore Muslims can Kill 75 Crore Hindus and everybody applauds. You call these supporters normal people who can be convinced ? So those supporters are gone, any amount of placating will not bring them back.

But there are normal folks among Muslims. However MIM and Razakars control Old City as their fiefdom. Normal folks are scared.
Let EC announce that ONLY votes combined at a constituency level is declared. Then the truth with come out.

Have you tried going to the Old City and canvass. MIM does not let anybody even the Police in.

The party has roots back to the days of the princely State of Hyderabad. It was founded and shaped by Nawab Mahmood Nawaz Khan Qiledar of Hyderabad State by the advice of Nawab Mir Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam of Hyderabad and in the presence of Ulma-e-Mashaeqeen in 1927 as a pro-Nizam party.

The MIM advocated the set up of a Muslim dominion rather than integration with India. In 1938 Bahadur Yar Jung was elected President of the MIM which had a cultural and religious manifesto. It soon acquired political complexion and became aligned with the Muslim League in British India.
The Razakars (volunteers), a Muslim paramilitary organization aimed at resisting merger with India, was linked to the MIM. In total up to 150,000 Razakar soldiers were mobilized to fight against the Indian Union and for the independence of the Hyderabad State against Indian integration. After the integration of the Hyderabad state with India, the MIM was banned in 1948. The Razakar leader Qasim Rizvi was jailed from 1948 to 1957, and then he was released on the condition to go to Pakistan, where he was granted asylum.^[5]
Before leaving, Qasim Rizvi handed over the responsibility of whatever remained of the Ittehadul Muslimeen, to Abdul Wahid Owaisi,a lawyer. Abdul Wahed Owaisi restructured the Party and Organised it into All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen.^[6]^[7] After Abdul Wahed Owaisi, his son Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi took control of AIMIM in 1975 and was referred to as Salar E Millat (commander of the community).

100% of their MPs who contested in 2009 elections were candidates with pending criminal cases in their name.

In 2007, elected and serving members of the party made threats against Tasleema Nasreen,^[19] pledging that the fatwa against her and Salman Rushdie were to be abided by.^[20] While she was in Hyderabad releasing Telugu translations of her work, she was attacked by party members, 3 of whom were then charged and arrested.^[21]

AIMIM party leaders, has been repeatedly involved in making controversial speeches, violence and spreading religious hatred starting from Akbaruddin's grandfather, Maulana Abdul Wahed Owaisi who was arrested in 1958 for inflammatory speeches.^[22] In January 2013, AIMIM Floor leader Akbaruddin Owaisi was arrested for sedition, criminal conspiracy, waging war against India and creating enmity between communities.^[23] Current leader Asaduddin Owaisi and Akbarruddin was also booked for charges related to man handling the Medak district collector in 2005.^[24]

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:52 pm

Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:59 pm

Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/

by truthbetold Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:00 pm

Kinnera,

Gathering details of an issue and objective analysis of data are considered scientific way of thinking.

Looking at issues through the prism of preconceived notions and dropping precious comments like "indictment not on muslims" is the norm for lazy ass intellectuals.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:03 pm

truthbetold wrote:Kinnera,

Gathering details of an issue and objective analysis of data are considered scientific way of thinking.

Looking at issues through the prism of preconceived notions and dropping precious comments like "indictment not on muslims" is the norm for lazy ass intellectuals.

Exactly! and they come across as pretty irritating morons.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:04 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/

We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:09 pm

Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!

she is seeking votes from both hindus and muslims--a Unity Vote, if you will, in a riot-scarred town. the news item does not say she converted. when she refers to God (in the news item) she uses the sanskrit word ishwar.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:11 pm

Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.
Do you even have any idea what you are talking about?

You have to be a fashion secular scholar to understand that!

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:15 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!

she is seeking votes from both hindus and muslims--a Unity Vote, if you will, in a riot-scarred town. the news item does not say she converted. when she refers to God (in the news item) she uses the sanskrit word ishwar.

I guess that's her in the picture.

by Rishi Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:16 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.

Wrong Analogy.

History of Blacks in America is unique. Btw it was GOP that encouraged Blacks to register as Republicans in the South when the Dixiecrats placed all kinds of roadblocks.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:35 pm

Rishi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.
Wrong Analogy.

History of Blacks in America is unique. Btw it was GOP that encouraged Blacks to register as Republicans in the South when the Dixiecrats placed all kinds of roadblocks.

every group has a unique history. the point is there are many instances in democracies where groups of people vote en masse for one party or the other. there are multiple threads running on this very board where people are discussing how different caste groups in AP vote en masse for different parties. why do you guys expect the muslims to be any different? in any democracy rational people vote their own interests. if the muslims aren't voting for your party of choice, maybe your party has nothing to offer them. why are you complaining about people freely exercising their choice?

do you also complain about tamil brahmins routinely sucking up to fatty amma?

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:01 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rishi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.
Wrong Analogy.

History of Blacks in America is unique. Btw it was GOP that encouraged Blacks to register as Republicans in the South when the Dixiecrats placed all kinds of roadblocks.

every group has a unique history. the point is there are many instances in democracies where groups of people vote en masse for one party or the other. there are multiple threads running on this very board where people are discussing how different caste groups in AP vote en masse for different parties. why do you guys expect the muslims to be any different? in any democracy rational people vote their own interests. if the muslims aren't voting for your party of choice, maybe your party has nothing to offer them. why are you complaining about people freely exercising their choice?

do you also complain about tamil brahmins routinely sucking up to fatty amma?

Then why were you constantly complaining about and degrading the majority of indians supporting Modi and voting for BJP? It's a democracy and people are freely exercising their choice. The congress failed miserably in convincing them to vote for it. It's an indictment not on modi supporters but the congress that wasn't able to convince them to vote for it. Right? Let's not have double standards.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:11 pm

i never whined about other people supporting modi. i was merely expressing my opinion and reasons for why i intensely dislike him. that is also why despite largely sharing rashmun's dislike of modi, i think his incessant posts about modi are futile.

by rawemotions Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:15 pm

Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rishi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:don't know about varanasi muslims. Hyderabadi muslims have always voted for this party en masse for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Majlis-e-Ittehadul_Muslimeen

that's an indictment not on muslims but the political establishment in india that they aren't able to convince them to vote for them. it's like african americans and the GOP. they've never been able to make the sale. that says more about the GOP than it does about black people.
Wrong Analogy.

History of Blacks in America is unique. Btw it was GOP that encouraged Blacks to register as Republicans in the South when the Dixiecrats placed all kinds of roadblocks.

every group has a unique history. the point is there are many instances in democracies where groups of people vote en masse for one party or the other. there are multiple threads running on this very board where people are discussing how different caste groups in AP vote en masse for different parties. why do you guys expect the muslims to be any different? in any democracy rational people vote their own interests. if the muslims aren't voting for your party of choice, maybe your party has nothing to offer them. why are you complaining about people freely exercising their choice?

do you also complain about tamil brahmins routinely sucking up to fatty amma?
Then why were you constantly complaining about and degrading the majority of indians supporting Modi and voting for BJP? It's a democracy and people are freely exercising their choice. The congress failed miserably in convincing them to vote for it. It's an indictment not on modi supporters but the congress that wasn't able to convince them to vote for it. Right? Let's not have double standards.

Excellent Point!

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:15 pm

rawemotions wrote:
Excellent Point!

not really. i don't whine about other people's choices, but feel perfectly free to express my own opinion.

by Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:16 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i never whined about other people supporting modi. i was merely expressing my opinion and reasons for why i intensely dislike him.

You did pass degrading remarks about modi supporters...from constantly calling them 'chuddies' to whatnot...

I can easily pull out those threads for you.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:19 pm

Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i never whined about other people supporting modi. i was merely expressing my opinion and reasons for why i intensely dislike him.
You did pass degrading remarks about modi supporters...from constantly calling them 'chuddies' to whatnot...

I can easily pull out those threads for you.

i call people who express a desire to do violence to muslims, who want india to become a hindu state, and who want to treat non-hindus as second class citizens, chuddies. they deserve to be called that. it's not based on their voting preferences.

but i find it interesting that you've drawn a conclusion that they are modi supporters.

by michelle2 Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:27 pm

Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!

We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here... -- kinnera.

woman, why? this thread is about varanasi muslims. could you please stop getting shrill about hyderabadi muslims?

by rawemotions Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:31 pm

michelle2 wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here... -- kinnera.

woman, why? this thread is about varanasi muslims. could you please stop getting shrill about hyderabadi muslims?

Please first answer this. Excuse me is it true that you wrote some emails to the admin's HR against him ? Is this true ?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:36 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Mukhtar-Ansari-announces-support-to-Congresss-Ajay-Rai-against-Narendra-Modi-in-Varanasi/articleshow/34379718.cms?intenttarget=no

are there exactly 283 muslims in varanasi? they must all be intellectuals.

..

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:44 pm

Here are some super seculars diligently voting for CONmen hiding in the river:

http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-1424911-stock-footage-wildebeests-jumping-into-the-river.html?src=rel/1424914:0/gg

by Guest Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:51 am

michelle2 wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Have a glimpse at the Hyderabadi muslim college girls

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/14/stories/2007071460000300.htm

PS to max and others: It's easy to parrot some standard fashion liberal statements while being totally ignorant about the ground realities.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-riot-scarred-up-town-dalit-woman-married-to-a-muslim-seeks-unity-vote/
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here, Mr. UP Brahmin! wait..so the dalit woman who has been converted to a muslim is seeking hindu votes playing the caste card? lol!
We are talking about hyderabadi muslims here... -- kinnera.

woman, why? this thread is about varanasi muslims. could you please stop getting shrill about hyderabadi muslims?

This thread is about varanasi muslims voting 'en masse'. I brought in 'en masse' voting of hyderabadi muslims and the discussing was going in those lines.

by Guest Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:14 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i never whined about other people supporting modi. i was merely expressing my opinion and reasons for why i intensely dislike him.
You did pass degrading remarks about modi supporters...from constantly calling them 'chuddies' to whatnot...

I can easily pull out those threads for you.

i call people who express a desire to do violence to muslims, who want india to become a hindu state, and who want to treat non-hindus as second class citizens, chuddies. they deserve to be called that. it's not based on their voting preferences.

but i find it interesting that you've drawn a conclusion that they are modi supporters.

Great! Then stop getting paranoid about Modi and india becoming all of the above and all of the above happening to muslims when modi comes to power.

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