Celebrating Godse on Gandhi Vardhanti

“For so many years Gandhi has been revered as a great soul by Indians. We want to tell the youth that it is all a lie,“ Agarwaal said. “Godse was the true patriot. We do not regard Gandhi as the father of the nation. He was too soft on Muslims. It was because of him that Pakistan was created out of my motherland.”

ashdoc wrote:watch the play ' mee nathuram godse boltoy ' if you can understand marathi . it brilliantly brings out nathuram godse's side of the story .

unfortunately , people like nathuram godse and his ilk were dying for a undeserving people---the hindus . the cowardly and effeminate hindus didnt deserve these sacrifices .


https://youtu.be/Wew_hkqWUg0

ashdoc wrote:watch the play ' mee nathuram godse boltoy ' if you can understand marathi . it brilliantly brings out nathuram godse's side of the story .

unfortunately , people like nathuram godse and his ilk were dying for a undeserving people---the hindus . the cowardly and effeminate hindus didnt deserve these sacrifices .


https://youtu.be/Wew_hkqWUg0

He had to die, then. Just 12 days before his final moments, he had returned from the verge of death. On January 18, 1948, Gandhi broke the fast he had commenced on January 13, as he could not bear to live in a Delhi where he could move around with ease but his friends Zakir Hussain and Shaheed Suhrawardy were not safe. He could not allow his fellow Hindus to take over the properties of Muslims and drive them out, capture mosques and turn them into temples. Hatred was flowing on the streets of Delhi. Gandhi knew that it was a “do or die” moment for him. D.G. Tendulkar writes in his masterly biography of Gandhi, Mahatma: “We are steadily losing hold on Delhi,” Gandhi mentioned to a friend.

 “If it goes, India goes and with that goes the last hope of world peace.” He found that his appeal for peace and understanding had no takers. He felt that he had no other way but to put himself on trial once more, this time to protest against the wrong done by his society. Delhi was sheltering Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan who had lost everything and suffered the worst kinds of atrocities. To ask them to vacate Muslim properties was an audacious demand. Muslims in Delhi had left their colonies and taken shelter in Purana Qila and Jama Masjid. 

Gandhi was very clear about the nature and objective of his mission. He said that he was fasting on behalf of Muslims in India and Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, that he would rather die than be a helpless witness to the destruction of Hinduism, Sikhism and Islam. This destruction was certain if Pakistan ensured no equality of status and security to people professing various faiths, and if India copied Pakistan 

Is it surprising that there is no memory of this fast available though our school textbooks, which shun the mention of his killing by a man who was not mad at all? Why is it that schools take their young to Rajghat but seldom think of visiting Birla House, where he was killed? It was not surprising at all that, when the University of Delhi decided to have a course on him, it carefully avoided everything that could be linked to his politics and did not even mention his killing. Is it because the killing of a Hindu by another purer, masculine Hindu embarrasses us? Why have Gandhians been only singing bhajans on this day, never daring to touch the real issue, the killing of Gandhi? Why do we not want to face this moment? Is it because there is no national consensus on how to describe the death? Is it because we want to evade the “why” part of it? 

nevada wrote:

ashdoc wrote:watch the play ' mee nathuram godse boltoy ' if you can understand marathi . it brilliantly brings out nathuram godse's side of the story .

unfortunately , people like nathuram godse and his ilk were dying for a undeserving people---the hindus . the cowardly and effeminate hindus didnt deserve these sacrifices .


https://youtu.be/Wew_hkqWUg0

I wish Godse and co had adopted non violent means to voice their opposition of Gandhi - through publication of material, public meetings, setting up a political party to contest elections, etc.
Gandhi was already 79 when he was killed. He wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. By killing him, Godse made him a martyr.

 He could not allow his fellow Hindus to take over the properties of Muslims and drive them out, capture mosques and turn them into temples.

ashdoc wrote:

 He could not allow his fellow Hindus to take over the properties of Muslims and drive them out, capture mosques and turn them into temples.

Why so much care for muslims when muslims were driving out hindus from the parts of the subcontinent they were a majority in , killing hindus and sikhs and raping their women ?? why ?? 

gandhi may have fancied himself as ' great ' for caring for the rapist muslims , but poeple like godse were not expected to understand . they were ordinary mortals .

confuzzled dude wrote:

ashdoc wrote:

 He could not allow his fellow Hindus to take over the properties of Muslims and drive them out, capture mosques and turn them into temples.

Why so much care for muslims when muslims were driving out hindus from the parts of the subcontinent they were a majority in , killing hindus and sikhs and raping their women ?? why ?? 

gandhi may have fancied himself as ' great ' for caring for the rapist muslims , but poeple like godse were not expected to understand . they were ordinary mortals .

If Godse were an ordinary mortal I'm afraid so are the al-qaeda associates. Not much difference between the thinking of these brainwashed individuals. It was a premeditated murder not a spur of the moment killing.

“They said Godse was a man obsessed with the idea that Hindus were emasculated because they were not violent, and that Gandhi’s ahimsa made them even more powerless. They only had to ask, ‘How are Hindus these days?’ for him to launch into a tirade,” says Saptarshi. Though Apte was the leader of the two, Godse was a known Gandhi-baiter. “When Gandhi once remarked that he would live to be 125 years, he is said to be have taunted: ‘Who is going to let you live till then?’” says Saptarshi.

The plan had failed. Later, Nathuram Godse denied he had anything to do with the January 20 bombing, despite the testimonies of Pahwa, Badge, and numerous eyewitnesses at Birla House, as well as a trail of evidence (laundry with the initials NVG was found at the Marina Hotel rooms). It is a line which the Godses stick to even today.

So what did Godse achieve by killing Gandhi? In her home in Pune, Himani Savarkar looks into the distance and answers: “Even Bhishma had to suffer because he betrayed his desh. So did Gandhi.”

ashdoc wrote:
al qaeda are the same kind of people who were raping women at that time . godse was not raping muslim women or other minorities .

ashdoc wrote:
but at the same time he could not stomach the shameless appeasement of muslims that gandhi was doing . gandhi fasted to give 55 crores to the same pakistan that was raping hindu women . and that 55 crore rupees was used by pakistan to finance the invasion of kashmir . even nehru was opposed to giving this money to pakistan . gandhi was indulging with madness .

 And Rs. 55 crore were part of the agreement signed. India had to honor that commitment.

How many were killed in the war as opposed to the communal riots occurred during partition.

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:

ashdoc wrote:watch the play ' mee nathuram godse boltoy ' if you can understand marathi . it brilliantly brings out nathuram godse's side of the story .

unfortunately , people like nathuram godse and his ilk were dying for a undeserving people---the hindus . the cowardly and effeminate hindus didnt deserve these sacrifices .


https://youtu.be/Wew_hkqWUg0

I wish Godse and co had adopted non violent means to voice their opposition of Gandhi - through publication of material, public meetings, setting up a political party to contest elections, etc.
Gandhi was already 79 when he was killed. He wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. By killing him, Godse made him a martyr.

That statement is as ridiculous as it gets. Gandhi would've been Gandhi whether or not he was killed. He did not become a hero because of the way died, but because of the way he lived and led independence movement.

ashdoc wrote:

How many were killed in the war as opposed to the communal riots occurred during partition.

so if the body count is less then it is alright if a a few indians are killed as a result of the mahatma's blunder . ahimsa is only for the opposite side ; as far as our own side , it is all right if a few are killed !! 

now i can understand why godse killed gandhi . thanks for making it clearer to me !!

Meanwhile, both Patel and Nehru went on All India Radio to calm tempers. Patel appealed to the people not to think of revenge, but 'to carry the message of love and non-violence enunciated by Mahatmaji. …We did not follow him when he was alive; let us at least follow his steps now he is dead'. Indians, said Nehru in his broadcast, had now 'to hold together and fight that terrible poison of communalism that has killed the greatest man of our age'.

Remarkably, the message was heeded. Far from leading to further rioting and bloodshed, Gandhi's murder led to a cessation of the violence. Hindus were horror-struck that one of their own had killed the greatest living Hindu. The attacks on Muslims ceased, the desire to match Pakistan in its savage treatment of its own minorities was tamed. It would be a decade and more before India next witnessed a serious Hindu-Muslim riot.

This diminution of communal passions allowed Nehru, Patel and their colleagues to focus on giving the country a democratic Constitution, bring the princely states on board, and lay the foundations of independent foreign and economic policies. None of this would have been possible if Nehru and Patel had gone their separate ways, or if the intensity of Hindu-Muslim violence had continued unabated. By bringing together two previously squabbling individuals, as well as two previously quarrelling communities, Gandhi's martyrdom assured the unity of India.

bw wrote:watched 'gandhi' with my kids.

godse and his fans can go to hell.