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Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by ashdoc Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:15 pm
V D Mahajan has wondered in his book ' Ancient India ' if the Pandavas of Mahabharata were Tibetans .
His suspicion is based on some facts---
For one thing polyandry was unknown in Aryans . How come Draupadi was married to 5 men ??
But yes , polyandry is practiced in Tibet .
Secondly , the Pandavas were born to Pandu near tibet , that is---not near his capital hastinapur which was situated in the plains but when he had gone into the himalayas . In typical polyandrous fashion they were born not by his semen but by others implanting theirs in his wives' womb---one more instance of a kind of polyandry .
In fact , many of the kurus were born not from their fathers but by others having relations with their mothers . Mahajan wonders how many Aryans would have tolerated others sleeping with their wives even for producing children which they themselves were incapable of producing---a custom unknown among Aryans but widely practiced under Tibetans .
Thirdly , he says that those scholars who have studied the Mahabharat with a magnifying lens says that the behaviour and language of the Pandavas in the original version is too crude and suggests that they were barbarians---the Tibetans were barbarians in that era because buddhism had not pacified them . On the other hand he says that the behaviour of the Kauravas is more civilized and typical of Aryans .
He suggests that it is not impossible that a barbarian tribe from Tibet invaded India , defeated the Kauravas who were Aryans and later concocted a false story of them being cousins of Kauravas in order to legitimise their conquest . After all history is written by victors.......
His suspicion is based on some facts---
For one thing polyandry was unknown in Aryans . How come Draupadi was married to 5 men ??
But yes , polyandry is practiced in Tibet .
Secondly , the Pandavas were born to Pandu near tibet , that is---not near his capital hastinapur which was situated in the plains but when he had gone into the himalayas . In typical polyandrous fashion they were born not by his semen but by others implanting theirs in his wives' womb---one more instance of a kind of polyandry .
In fact , many of the kurus were born not from their fathers but by others having relations with their mothers . Mahajan wonders how many Aryans would have tolerated others sleeping with their wives even for producing children which they themselves were incapable of producing---a custom unknown among Aryans but widely practiced under Tibetans .
Thirdly , he says that those scholars who have studied the Mahabharat with a magnifying lens says that the behaviour and language of the Pandavas in the original version is too crude and suggests that they were barbarians---the Tibetans were barbarians in that era because buddhism had not pacified them . On the other hand he says that the behaviour of the Kauravas is more civilized and typical of Aryans .
He suggests that it is not impossible that a barbarian tribe from Tibet invaded India , defeated the Kauravas who were Aryans and later concocted a false story of them being cousins of Kauravas in order to legitimise their conquest . After all history is written by victors.......
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by ashdoc Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:28 pm
The point must be noted here that other epics like Ramayan and most other hindu stories do not have polyandry and incidents of men allowing their wives to sleep with other men to produce children because they were not capable of producing them ..
Then how come only in mahabharat ?? does raise the suspicion that some characters involved were tibetans .
Then how come only in mahabharat ?? does raise the suspicion that some characters involved were tibetans .
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by truthbetold Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:29 pm
Ash,
Why hang your whole argument on polyandry?
Is that one item sufficient to prove your point? I agree that one issue could generate the question of Tibetan origins.
Pandavas also go to Himalayas after their victory.
Tibetan Buddhist traditions and rituals are similar to Hindu traditions.
Why hang your whole argument on polyandry?
Is that one item sufficient to prove your point? I agree that one issue could generate the question of Tibetan origins.
Pandavas also go to Himalayas after their victory.
Tibetan Buddhist traditions and rituals are similar to Hindu traditions.
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by ashdoc Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:47 pm
truthbetold wrote:Ash,
Why hang your whole argument on polyandry?
Is that one item sufficient to prove your point? I agree that one issue could generate the question of Tibetan origins.
Pandavas also go to Himalayas after their victory.
Tibetan Buddhist traditions and rituals are similar to Hindu traditions.
i am not hanging on one point . the other point is that those who have studied the original mahabharat by ved vyas say that the manners and behaviour of pandavas is crude and barbaric while that of the kauravas is civilized . they believe that pandavas were barbarians while kauravas were aryans . during those times tibetans were barabaric and not civilized by buddhism like they are today .
vincent smith also says the same thing in his ' oxford history of india ' and V D Mahajan in ' ancient india ' .
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by rawemotions Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:57 pm
I thought the Aryan Invasion Theory has been debunked.
It is one of those theories with hardly any facts to back it. No written history for sure, no explanation of where the Aryans originally lived, and what they were doing wherever they were before, they came to India.
It is one of those theories with hardly any facts to back it. No written history for sure, no explanation of where the Aryans originally lived, and what they were doing wherever they were before, they came to India.
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by truthbetold Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:37 pm
While aryan invasion theory is widely discredited. However aryans from Caucasian area migrating to Indian sub continent over a long period of time is a possible theory.
Many DNA studies clearly establish that Brahmins from as far south as ap and tn have differences with other populations of the area and have similarities to Caucasians.
As long as we can keep the discussions at objective level these discussions are fruitful. But when these nuggets of information becomes tool for claims of superiority or basis for anti aryan arguments, it becomes futile, unproductive and sometimes dangerous discussion.
Many DNA studies clearly establish that Brahmins from as far south as ap and tn have differences with other populations of the area and have similarities to Caucasians.
As long as we can keep the discussions at objective level these discussions are fruitful. But when these nuggets of information becomes tool for claims of superiority or basis for anti aryan arguments, it becomes futile, unproductive and sometimes dangerous discussion.
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by Merlot Daruwala Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:07 am
ashdoc wrote:V D Mahajan has wondered in his book ' Ancient India ' if the Pandavas of Mahabharata were Tibetans .
His suspicion is based on some facts---
For one thing polyandry was unknown in Aryans . How come Draupadi was married to 5 men ??
But yes , polyandry is practiced in Tibet .
If present-day polyandry and past barbarism are the sole criteria on which Tibetans are being fingered, I humbly suggest that the Pandavas could also be bhaiyyas from Mumbai. Many of them often share a wife in this expensive city and of course, their barbaric origins are too well known to merit mention.
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by ashdoc Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:22 am
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
If present-day polyandry and past barbarism are the sole criteria on which Tibetans are being fingered, I humbly suggest that the Pandavas could also be bhaiyyas from Mumbai. Many of them often share a wife in this expensive city and of course, their barbaric origins are too well known to merit mention.
muslims are better candidates for present polyandry ( it enshrined in their barbaric laws remember
) and barbaric origins 
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by Merlot Daruwala Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:45 am
Doc..doc..doc..I really worry for Hindusim in your unlettered hands. The Pandavas were also polygamists but Mr Mahajan didn't find that particularly notable - only the polyandry. Polygamy and polyandry might share the first four letters but they're not the same.
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Re: Were the Pandavas Tibetans ??
by ashdoc Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:50 am
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Doc..doc..doc..I really worry for Hindusim in your unlettered hands. The Pandavas were also polygamists but Mr Mahajan didn't find that particularly notable - only the polyandry. Polygamy and polyandry might share the first four letters but they're not the same.
YOU worrying for hinduism is laughable.....
the crocodile shedding false tears for her prey
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