Rape Map of India

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:52 pm

..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:08 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

It is simply giving the number of rapes in every state in 2011. It is not taking into account the population of a state.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:13 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

It is simply giving the number of rapes in every state in 2011. It is not taking into account the population of a state.

Right...but, the high population also gives proportionately more police, politicians, resources, educational institutions, etc...Considering it also gave a disproportionately a large number of Prime ministers and "leaders" to the country.

So no excuses. facts are facts and reality is reality.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:19 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

It is simply giving the number of rapes in every state in 2011. It is not taking into account the population of a state.

Right...but, the high population also gives proportionately more police, politicians, resources, educational institutions, etc...Considering it also gave a disproportionately a large number of Prime ministers and "leaders" to the country.

So no excuses. facts are facts and reality is reality.

The explanation you are giving in your post is bogus. for instance there will be less rapes in Iceland than in US because of the much lower population.

If we take into account the population there seems to be a higher incidence of rape in Tamil Nadu than in U.P. according to the map.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:20 pm

rapes per capita is a better figure. but since it is nearly always the case that it is women who get raped, normalizing to the female population of the state is even more accurate, i.e. total reported rapes divided by the female population of the state. that will provide the most accurate picture.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:23 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rapes per capita is a better figure. but since it is nearly always the case that it is women who get raped, normalizing to the female population of the state is even more accurate, i.e. total reported rapes divided by the female population of the state. that will provide the most accurate picture.

I agree. If we do this there would I believe be approximately equal number of rapes in TN and UP.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:29 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rapes per capita is a better figure. but since it is nearly always the case that it is women who get raped, normalizing to the female population of the state is even more accurate, i.e. total reported rapes divided by the female population of the state. that will provide the most accurate picture.

Yes...agree... let is then pick the age range 16 to 40; then rape by strangers and acquiaintances, rape of those in Bharatiya dress and Western dress.

All you guys saying is good for paper work and analysis...and most common people are not going to be convinced by Principles of Statistics. Fear is fear and the shear number will put a real scare in the population - be it Iceland, Delhi, UP or Meghalaya.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:30 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rapes per capita is a better figure. but since it is nearly always the case that it is women who get raped, normalizing to the female population of the state is even more accurate, i.e. total reported rapes divided by the female population of the state. that will provide the most accurate picture.

Yes...agree... let is then pick the age range 16 to 40; then rape by strangers and acquiaintances, rape of those in Bharatiya dress and Western dress.

All you guys saying is good for paper work and analysis...and most common people are not going to be convinced by Principles of Statistics. Fear is fear and the shear number will put a real scare in the population - be it Iceland, Delhi, UP or Meghalaya.

Bottom line is that the per capita figure for rape is about the same for TN and UP. In fact the figure might be slightly higher for TN.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:34 pm

Many Tamils point to rapes taking place in north India with disgust. This map given by Uppili has shattered the myth of fewer rapes taking place in SI.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:51 pm

None of the posters mentioned anything about Tamils, TN or Andhra, and you are the ONLY ONE who has been defensive about your region while harping on TN.

And you are not a regionailist and UPwalas are not regionalistic....

Yeah rite.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:58 pm

This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:00 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

true that. all over i bet.

i also think under reporting is the reason the US looks much worse than india. someone asking the other day about very low rates of arrest in the US. i've heard that the reason for that is that upon investigation, many of these cases turn out to be cases of morning after regret especially when the penis wielding half of the transaction behaves like a douchebag.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:07 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

Of course....only10% of the rapes are reported. Most of the rapes that occur in Bharat involves acquiantances and will never be reported (not to mention the limited number of police station and hospitals). But, it does give "some" number at whatever reference level.

I was more curious about the high numbers in Keral, Assam, Jharkhand, Andhra (bcs it goes against the Chef Mullah of RSS), but then our resident Maulana - being so narrow minded and regionalistic, started defending UP...

I am surprised at the high number in Keral - supposedly highest literacy rate, commie strong hold, emancipated women, etc..... Obviously this map does not explain many things, but still it came out of the Govt's own agency.

Statsitics don't lead to conclusions but only to inferences.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:10 pm

i also wonder about kerala. also has a sex ratio of something like 1048/1000 and until recently was strongly matriarchal especially amongst nair communities where inheritance was always from mother to daughter. one would have thought in such a structure, females held more transactional power in sexual interactions as well.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:11 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

true that. all over i bet.

This is something I will not deny. It is entirely possible that many more rapes are not being reported to the authorities in places like UP as compared to places like TN. I am only commenting on the data in the map given by Uppili.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:23 pm

about kerala -- it could also be a case of an empowered female population resulting in more reported rapes.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:45 pm

most big productions are now mostly geared towards attracting oversees audience anyway. That explains the far-from-reality culture and sex scenes. Fashion, etc also has to keep up with international trends.

by Rishi Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:56 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rapes per capita is a better figure. but since it is nearly always the case that it is women who get raped, normalizing to the female population of the state is even more accurate, i.e. total reported rapes divided by the female population of the state. that will provide the most accurate picture.

Yes...agree... let is then pick the age range 16 to 40; then rape by strangers and acquiaintances, rape of those in Bharatiya dress and Western dress.

All you guys saying is good for paper work and analysis...and most common people are not going to be convinced by Principles of Statistics. Fear is fear and the shear number will put a real scare in the population - be it Iceland, Delhi, UP or Meghalaya.

ROFL

Indians particularly Hindus are good at paper work.

It is not a culture which promotes thinking about how things work.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:56 pm

http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

http://twocircles.net/2013jan02/kerala_no_better_delhi_regards_sexual_violence_against_women.html

http://www.countercurrents.org/gender-jacob230604.htm

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:11 pm

I am actually surprised at AP stats. Of the 1440 rapes reported in AP, only 59 are from Hyderabad? Can't be true. Hyd is the unsafest place to raise a girl what with the rampant groping and molestation that goes on in public places.

I thought vizag, vijayawada and other andhra areas are safer. Vizag has as many rapes reported as Hyd. Surprising! Wonder where the rest of the rapes, 1300 of them, are coming from. Small towns and villages? hmm...

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:16 pm

kinnera wrote:http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

this article is interesting. it paints a picture that many instances of reported rapes in kerala involve husband on wife rape. i am not even sure whether such cases would be reported as rape in other parts of the country.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:28 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

this article is interesting. it paints a picture that many instances of reported rapes in kerala involve husband on wife rape. i am not even sure whether such cases would be reported as rape in other parts of the country.

No idea. As long as the Malayalis (or ppl of any region) don't give excuses or deny or underplay any kind of violence on their women in order to prove themselves better than others, it's good for the women of that region. Acceptance of a problem is the first step to improving things for the better.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:07 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

this article is interesting. it paints a picture that many instances of reported rapes in kerala involve husband on wife rape. i am not even sure whether such cases would be reported as rape in other parts of the country.

Marital rape is a hard sell in Indian marriages, and at best different charges need to be filed. from below, a wife under 16 can file charges of marital rape...really ? I thought the same law considered any marriage for a woman under 18 as illegal in court.

Such is the clarity of Indian laws. The parliament will react instantly and pass a law and simply forget about it. To make it worse, we inherited all the laws from magna carta in 1215.

Rape and sexual violence on women is a cultural+social issue in India. Any laws - even death penalty can only impose a limited fear, but things have to change from ground up.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:08 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:most big productions are now mostly geared towards attracting oversees audience anyway. That explains the far-from-reality culture and sex scenes. Fashion, etc also has to keep up with international trends.

really? as an overseas occasional consumer of hindi movies, i'd like to watch more movies of the 'a wednesday' and 'khosla ka ghosla' genres. if i wanted raunch, i'd rather go to the friendly neighborhood strip club or watch freely available online porn.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

this article is interesting. it paints a picture that many instances of reported rapes in kerala involve husband on wife rape. i am not even sure whether such cases would be reported as rape in other parts of the country.

Marital rape is a hard sell in Indian marriages, and at best different charges need to be filed.

that was the point i was trying to make. a lot of reported cases in kerala according the article kinnera posted, are marital rapes. if you include marital rapes, i wonder how the numbers would look and compare with kerala, for other states where i suspect these cases are being under reported, or not being reported at all.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:18 pm

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-06-24/india/32392782_1_crime-rate-violent-crimes-crime-stats

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:http://infochangeindia.org/women/analysis/violence-against-women-on-the-rise-in-literate-kerala.html

this article is interesting. it paints a picture that many instances of reported rapes in kerala involve husband on wife rape. i am not even sure whether such cases would be reported as rape in other parts of the country.

Marital rape is a hard sell in Indian marriages, and at best different charges need to be filed.

that was the point i was trying to make. a lot of reported cases in kerala according the article kinnera posted, are marital rapes. if you include marital rapes, i wonder how the numbers would look and compare with kerala, for other states where i suspect these cases are being under reported, or not being reported at all.

One can only decide of a 'marital rape or not.' the map (is perhaps one of many in their report) simply shows the rape cases filed. Ideally, the map would be more useful if it is based on Convictions. But then we all know that last year only one was convicted out of 600+ in Delhi. Perhaps there will be a map at the end of this century.

we need to deal with the hand we have now.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:most big productions are now mostly geared towards attracting oversees audience anyway. That explains the far-from-reality culture and sex scenes. Fashion, etc also has to keep up with international trends.

really? as an overseas occasional consumer of hindi movies, i'd like to watch more movies of the 'a wednesday' and 'khosla ka ghosla' genres. if i wanted raunch, i'd rather go to the friendly neighborhood strip club or watch freely available online porn.

I didn't have raunch in mind when I said that. Raunch is for the front rows in india. I was talking about glamor and sexual content, which may be in in metros middle class, but not anywhere else. And which is being quoted in some of the links, when they blame movies.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:23 pm

i was talking about your comment about the need to attract an overseas audience. i am part of that overseas audience.

by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:35 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i was talking about your comment about the need to attract an overseas audience. i am part of that overseas audience.

so am i. and i have seen a much wider range of them in movie theatres.

by Kris Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:42 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

Of course....only10% of the rapes are reported.

>>>>it is also a matter of honor and reputation and all that jazz. Part of it is also we have been in denial on this whole thing. I remember during the sulekha days, some female posters had said they were happy to be free of molestation on buses and trains in the US. I found this curious only to see several others agree with her. The only thing I can recall is the whole idiotic "eve teasing" , which I never understood. I guess evidently things are a lot worse than this.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:17 pm

Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

Of course....only10% of the rapes are reported.

>>>>it is also a matter of honor and reputation and all that jazz. Part of it is also we have been in denial on this whole thing. I remember during the sulekha days, some female posters had said they were happy to be free of molestation on buses and trains in the US. I found this curious only to see several others agree with her. The only thing I can recall is the whole idiotic "eve teasing" , which I never understood. I guess evidently things are a lot worse than this.

Mylapore Mama...

I can understand your surprise. You belongED to the good-boy group. I know my class girls were harassed on a daily basis by boys from other sections. Our section consisted of select, high-performing students (with the sole exception), and about 10 of the 19 were target by boys from other sections. I knew the girls did not like it and used to take different paths to walk different days. But did not realize to what extent they felt bad.

by Kris Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:19 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

Of course....only10% of the rapes are reported.

>>>>it is also a matter of honor and reputation and all that jazz. Part of it is also we have been in denial on this whole thing. I remember during the sulekha days, some female posters had said they were happy to be free of molestation on buses and trains in the US. I found this curious only to see several others agree with her. The only thing I can recall is the whole idiotic "eve teasing" , which I never understood. I guess evidently things are a lot worse than this.

Mylapore Mama...

I can understand your surprise. You belongED to the good-boy group. I know my class girls were harassed on a daily basis by boys from other sections. Our section consisted of select, high-performing students (with the sole exception), and about 10 of the 19 were target by boys from other sections. I knew the girls did not like it and used to take different paths to walk different days. But did not realize to what extent they felt bad.

>>>>That must be it! Wait, why did you say that in the past tense? Honestly, I didn't think the "eve teasing" business ever got to the extent of physical abuse at least at that time.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:29 pm

Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:This map is such a joke...can you say vast under reporting?

Of course....only10% of the rapes are reported.

>>>>it is also a matter of honor and reputation and all that jazz. Part of it is also we have been in denial on this whole thing. I remember during the sulekha days, some female posters had said they were happy to be free of molestation on buses and trains in the US. I found this curious only to see several others agree with her. The only thing I can recall is the whole idiotic "eve teasing" , which I never understood. I guess evidently things are a lot worse than this.

Mylapore Mama...

I can understand your surprise. You belongED to the good-boy group. I know my class girls were harassed on a daily basis by boys from other sections. Our section consisted of select, high-performing students (with the sole exception), and about 10 of the 19 were target by boys from other sections. I knew the girls did not like it and used to take different paths to walk different days. But did not realize to what extent they felt bad.

>>>>That must be it! Wait, why did you say that in the past tense? Honestly, I didn't think the "eve teasing" business ever got to the extent of physical abuse at least at that time.

Probably not at this level of violence. But then, women were well trained to hush-hush, and any such thing was very well hidden. Another aspect is the old family members almost never talked about bad things from the past. I learnt some of the things after I had reached 20s....ME...the guy who (thought) knew everything about the family did not know the "dirty secrets" of the family.

I had to put you in the past tense, bcz between ur good image and Bittu's even more popular bad image, I am crushed b the SuCHinis. My past title as Romeo of CH is now as obsolete as the image of the master blaster.

by Petrichor Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:52 pm

Rashmun wrote:Many Tamils point to rapes taking place in north India with disgust. This map given by Uppili has shattered the myth of fewer rapes taking place in SI.

State Rapes Total Population Female Population Rape Ratio per 100K Pop.
UP 2042 199,581,477 94,985,062 2.149811725

TN 677 72,138,958 35,980,087 1.88159634

HTH ...

by artood2 Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:54 pm

atcg wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Many Tamils point to rapes taking place in north India with disgust. This map given by Uppili has shattered the myth of fewer rapes taking place in SI.

State Rapes Total Population Female Population Rape Ratio per 100K Pop.
UP 2042 199,581,477 94,985,062 2.149811725

TN 677 72,138,958 35,980,087 1.88159634

HTH ...

Mulayam's goons tried to rape Mayawati. DMK goons (minister?) tried to pull JJ's saree in state assembly.

And CPM goons thrashed Mamata badly

HTH...

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:24 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

These days, if you open any newspaper in India, you see reports of rapes everywhere! Looks like India has become the rape country of the world. Some tourists may misunderstand this and think of India as an "exotic" place! Many from the West go to Thailand and some of them are known to do strange things. This aspect may beat the Medical tourism that India has become "famous" for in recent years.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:36 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:..can help with the why, why here, why not there questions.

These days, if you open any newspaper in India, you see reports of rapes everywhere! Looks like India has become the rape country of the world. Some tourists may misunderstand this and think of India as an "exotic" place! Many from the West go to Thailand and some of them are known to do strange things. This aspect may beat the Medical tourism that India has become "famous" for in recent years.

I wont be surprised if a new industry develops "Rape tourism" that will attracts rapists from all over the world. I am quite sure the "professional" car/bus rapists have made deals with cops/transport industry, etc....from the way they do these things with impunity.

Mark my words....the bus/car rapings will increase after a 6 month lull. All these sex offenders cannot be expected to keep quiet for long (only 1 out of 680 in Delhi was convicted last year.)

by Idéfix Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:32 am

The problem with the number of reported rapes in India is this: on a per-capita basis, reported rapes in India are 30 times lower than the rate in the US or Japan. Do you really believe that rape is 30 times less common in India than in the US or Japan. I don't buy that. My own belief is that less than 3% -- perhaps less than 1% -- of the rapes committed in India are reported. So maps like this go off of an insignificant proportion of the actual crimes committed but not reported.

It is reasonable to argue that rapes in rural areas are a lot less likely to be reported, and it is also reasonable to suggest that underreporting is more of a problem in states like Bihar and UP than in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka.

by FluteHolder Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:41 am

Just wondering how it would have been 200/300 years ago or before Islamic rule or much before that? Were all the people law/moral abiding then? Any reference to such crimes in Old literature?

by Idéfix Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:42 am

FluteHolder wrote:Just wondering how it would have been 200/300 years ago or before Islamic rule or much before that? Were all the people law/moral abiding then? Any reference to such crimes in Old literature?

My guruvu-gaaru already provided the technical names for those crimes in those ancient, wondrous times when all the men were strong, all the women were beautiful, and all the children were above-average.

by Kris Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:45 am

FluteHolder wrote:Just wondering how it would have been 200/300 years ago or before Islamic rule or much before that? Were all the people law/moral abiding then? Any reference to such crimes in Old literature?

>>> The word 'thug' comes from the sanskrit word 'sthaga'. Does that answer your question? Smile

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:06 am

panini press wrote:The problem with the number of reported rapes in India is this: on a per-capita basis, reported rapes in India are 30 times lower than the rate in the US or Japan. Do you really believe that rape is 30 times less common in India than in the US or Japan. I don't buy that. My own belief is that less than 3% -- perhaps less than 1% -- of the rapes committed in India are reported. So maps like this go off of an insignificant proportion of the actual crimes committed but not reported.

It is reasonable to argue that rapes in rural areas are a lot less likely to be reported, and it is also reasonable to suggest that underreporting is more of a problem in states like Bihar and UP than in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka.

Yes, the reported cases in India are just a fraction of what goes on. I think it is a sign of the social backwardness and the fear that women have. It is interesting that the reported (and successfully convicted) cases are higher in rural India. According to UN stats, some very backward countries have almost zero reported cases! That perhaps reveals the real story - I bet the stats on rapes have similar trends to the number of scientific publications! One exception is Canada where reported cases are low compared to those of the US, EU or Japan. Incidentally, Chinese stats are comparable to those in the US! Now that women in India are on the streets protesting, and the media is reporting more and more cases (NDTV is dedicating this month to discussing issues related to women), there may well be some change. I saw someone at Scotland Yard saying on BBC that in UK, the number of reported cases are low and there is a significant societal apathy and bias. So, all countries, perhaps, need to look at this issue more carefully.

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