is modi good for india?

by truthbetold Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:26 pm

6 weeks before the election in India, it seems modi is the likely next PM. Is it good for India?

Modi is credited by most observers for leading Gujarat to a high level of economic growth for a long period (more than a decade) of time. His distractors may claim other states have shown similar ability and he got the Gujarat riots on his resume.

Indians have clearly expressed their disgust at corruption and ineffectiveness of Manmohan singh govt. MMS is by all accounts a good man but could not control his flock who are beholden to Sonia.

Is flawed but effective modi the right medicine for India?

Is RSS directed BJP good for indian future?

In my opinion, any BJP govt with its religion centric politics is a risk. BJP with 270 plus mps at any point is a not a good option at any time. A 1998 to 2004 coalition under Vajpayee would have been more tolerable. But history tells us not to trust this setup.

Modi is likely to be more beneficial to Indian economy. But India will pay a price for making this choice.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:37 pm

What is your PRACTICAL and REALISTIC alternative ?

Take what you get.

by truthbetold Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:43 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:What is your PRACTICAL and REALISTIC alternative ?

Take what you get.

It seems to be Modi for economic growth and a future price (like a future lotto pick in draft) to be determined.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:55 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:What is your PRACTICAL and REALISTIC alternative ?

Take what you get.

It seems to be Modi for economic growth and a future price (like a future lotto pick in draft) to be determined.

BJP - just like JP - had several leaders and naturally both parties were highly democratic. Unfortunately, Indians - used to the monolithic Congress - view such debates, counter debates and party elections as a sign of chaos and indiscipline. "Installation" of Modi in BJP gives it a sense of discipline and people seem to view this as a positive. Unfortunately, it is a bad omen and the way Advani, Jaswant, Sreeramulu, Sabir Ali etc are handled Modi and his clan are trying to strengthen their group. I anticipate a POSSIBLE BJP split - repeat of 1969 Congress. At the very least, erosion of democractic tradition within BJP and "Indira Gandhism" in a different clothing. I only hope the RSS - without which BJP will never survive - will keep a tight control over Modi from becoming a dictator. I expect him to be a JJ-like autocrat at the national level, which I dont like.

by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:05 am

My wish is that RSS controlled BJP dies and a right of center party takes its place without religious fervor. Not likely in the current decade but one can always wish.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:11 am

truthbetold wrote:My wish is that RSS controlled BJP dies and a right of center party takes its place without religious fervor. Not likely in the current decade but one can always wish.

We had one - that was called Janata Party. BJP was formed with the clear guideline that anyone can be part of any other non-politicalorganization, including RSS, ISS, INTUC, CITU, BMS, Amritananda Mayi organization, etc... (BTW, most of these neo-religious hindu organizations are complete RSS/BJP backers).

by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:31 am

INTUC and CITU are BJP's nemesis. What is ISS?

I hoped 1996 vajpayee plan to expand BJP coalition will lead to a national party that is more economics oriented than religion oriented. In a hindu majority country, it is not bad to be labelled as hindu leaning party. But to be wholly owned subsidiary of brahmachari's sitting in nagpur should be a revolting thought to any normal person.

It is unfortunate that RSS is still around after 60 years of indian independence. Where is the need for this organization?

by Rishi Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:19 am

truthbetold wrote:6 weeks before the election in India, it seems modi is the likely next PM. Is it good for India?

Modi is credited by most observers for leading Gujarat to a high level of economic growth for a long period (more than a decade) of time. His distractors may claim other states have shown similar ability and he got the Gujarat riots on his resume.

Indians have clearly expressed their disgust at corruption and ineffectiveness of Manmohan singh govt. MMS is by all accounts a good man but could not control his flock who are beholden to Sonia.

Is flawed but effective modi the right medicine for India?

Is RSS directed BJP good for indian future?

In my opinion, any BJP govt with its religion centric politics is a risk. BJP with 270 plus mps at any point is a not a good option at any time. A 1998 to 2004 coalition under Vajpayee would have been more tolerable. But history tells us not to trust this setup.

Modi is likely to be more beneficial to Indian economy. But India will pay a price for making this choice.

>>>TBT.

It is not six weeks before the election.

It is 8 days before the election. It starts on April 8th, 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election,_2014

by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:25 am

Rishi
Thanks for the clarification. Voting ends in may and results are announced around may 15th and that is when the pm discussion will move to next phase. That is how six weeks came about.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:56 am

Modi is not the best for India, but he is the best suited at this time. All the hoopla about him running amuck and becoming another hitler is hogwash.

Only those who have no real confidence in Indian "democracy", constitution, judiciary, military, the federal structure, and other institutions can make such a scary claim.

Is Indian democracy and the democratic institutions so weak and ineffective that Modi can take over and destroy the institutions in 10 years and convert the whole country into another Germany ?

by Kris Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:46 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Modi is not the best for India, but he is the best suited at this time. All the hoopla about him running amuck and becoming another hitler is hogwash.

Only those who have no real confidence in Indian "democracy", constitution, judiciary, military, the federal structure, and other institutions can make such a scary claim.

Is Indian democracy and the democratic institutions so weak and ineffective that Modi can take over and destroy the institutions in 10 years and convert the whole country into another Germany ?

>>> Agree. I would add that with the internet and mass media, even assuming the most nefarious designs on his part, he cannot have the run of the place. Besides, Rahul Gandhi is a very long way away from being leadership material.

by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:45 pm

In a diverse and agitated nation like India situations crop up. When MMS was made PM, people raised questions about his ability to make political decisions. When he was faced with Bihar governor 's call to go for presidential rule after nitish kumar's slender victory or Goa governor's call or AP bifurcation, he failed to provide leadership (this may also implicate Sonia since she may be the one actually holding the power).

While Congress is projecting Modi as hitler in waiting, most people like me do not think modi wakes up every day thinking "aaj mussalman ko kaisa satayenge". Situations like muzzafarpur crop up often and can he provide the direction and gentle touch to cool down the tempers and bring normalcy? This becomes more important to modi than most PMs because of his past. Sometimes opposition can create situations and agitations to drag him into controversies. Many times his own followers and stupid RSS will up the ante for their own stupid reasons. Can he handle that? How much of the nations decision making time going to be spend on that? how much of India's goodwill (built by Gandhi and Nehru) will be lost?

While similar questions were asked when BJP came to power in 1998, most people put their faith in vajpayee. He was able to hold the nation together rebuffing RSS and VHP efforts to recreate RAM temple issue. However, he lost it big time when Modi failed in Gujarat riots in 2002.

Now that same modi is taking the helm. So one must be apprehensive. I hope, for India's sake, he acts like a leader of the nation and keeps his supporters in check. But history (not just modi's but in general) says if modi lasts into second term, we are likely to see problems.

by rawemotions Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:29 pm

truthbetold wrote:6 weeks before the election in India, it seems modi is the likely next PM. Is it good for India?

Modi is credited by most observers for leading Gujarat to a high level of economic growth for a long period (more than a decade) of time. His distractors may claim other states have shown similar ability and he got the Gujarat riots on his resume.

Indians have clearly expressed their disgust at corruption and ineffectiveness of Manmohan singh govt. MMS is by all accounts a good man but could not control his flock who are beholden to Sonia.

Is flawed but effective modi the right medicine for India?

Is RSS directed BJP good for indian future?

In my opinion, any BJP govt with its religion centric politics is a risk. BJP with 270 plus mps at any point is a not a good option at any time. A 1998 to 2004 coalition under Vajpayee would have been more tolerable. But history tells us not to trust this setup.

Modi is likely to be more beneficial to Indian economy. But India will pay a price for making this choice.

I do not the see the point of this discussion. Who else do you think is better ? Do you have a choice ?

If you are asking whether Modi's advantages outweigh his alleged disadvantages for PM post, his opponents have Nothing to show! So no advantages at all. So there is NOTHING to compare. [size=13.333333969116211]So case closed![/size]

by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Raw,

This is not a race. Modi wins and we all live happily ever after. This is a process of building a nation. Modi brings something to the table. so he gets elected. But he also brings some baggage. He could hurt the cause. So even if India gives keys to modi, it still needs worry about modi's likely screwups.

You closed the case long ago. But we are likely to open discussions in future and look at this topic.

by rawemotions Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:04 pm

[size=13.333333969116211]Yes he has disadvantages, he is NOT a Brahma maharishi. He makes mistakes, learns. [/size]
[size=13.333333969116211]The question is whether he is intelligent enough and listens to people/learn from people, to not make big mistakes, especially on things he is not sure about.[/size]

We do not know about that in the future. But so far his priorities/developmental record, have indicated that he can manage government.

He has a few things going for him
a) Massive support which no other leader has, but that can go away later.

What does stay with him are,
b) Good developmental record and a genuine concern to solve problems
and a path which believes in substantial changes, but without being Anarchist.
c) Comes from a humble background who can understand the troubles poor face in India
and understands that society has to be made responsive, but at the same time
we need solid growth to lift people out of poverty.
d) So far, seems to be aware of his limitations & also understands media management required to communicate well to people.

Ultimately, as I said, there is NO competition to him.

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