H-M synthesis: A madrasa where hindu and muslim children are taught about each other's religion

#Varanasi #Uttar Pradesh Children of both Hindus and Muslims are being taught each other's religion in a madrasa in Jaunpur to spread the message of brotherhood and peace between the two communities.
According to a report in Bhaskar, the madrasa was built in 1998 in Jalalpur's Chawri Bazaar. It started with 25 Muslim kids and gradually evolved into an entire community of Hindus and Muslims.
While Hindu kids are seen learning Urdu, Arbi, Farsi, Kalma, Nath Sharif, Muslim kids, on the other hand, are seen learning Sanskrit and ganesh shlokas.
"The only motive to form the madarsa was to promote peace and harmony between the two religions, and this rare sight is what one gets to see here," said madrasa head Mohammad Siyakat.

http://www.news18.com/news/uttar-pradesh/a-madrasa-where-kids-of-hindus-and-muslims-learn-each-others-religion-490299.html

i think this is a brilliant idea.

Rubbish.

They are better off to teach Muslim and Hindu kids what is bad in their own religions and then concentrate on teaching science, math, social studies, civics, interpersonal communication skills, how to get a job, entrepreneurial skills, etc., and explain why a uniform civil code is needed for a harmonious society.

Hopefully, the teachers are not CONartists, Laloo-ites, MullahYaamies, DKheads and sikular fukularists with ND Tiwatri, Abhishek Manu Singhvi, Doggy, Raja, Jagan, etc., as role models.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Rubbish.

They are better off to teach Muslim and Hindu kids what is bad in their own religions and then concentrate on teaching science, math, social studies, civics, interpersonal communication skills, how to get a job, entrepreneurial skills, etc., and explain why a uniform civil code is needed for a harmonious society.

Hopefully, the teachers are not CONartists, Laloo-ites, MullahYaamies, DKheads and sikular fukularists with ND Tiwatri, Abhishek Manu Singhvi, Doggy, Raja, Jagan, etc., as role models.

That sounds like a very very bad idea sir, will pave the way for a ton of [future] Charvakas, Pol Pots and Idefixes.

Carvaka is not really all that revolutionary in his actions. The worst he could do is to join a protest march with a poster saying, "Chinese, PLEASE go back from Tibet"

He is like Modi when it comes to Hinduism:



LOL

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Among the elective courses offered are included ( if we are talking about a decently sized university) courses on ancient and medieval history, courses on Sanskrit and Hindi/Urdu ( Hindi and Urdu are taught together often in North American universities since it is recognized that these are variants of the same language with two different scripts), courses on Hindu philosophy and Hindu mythology, and courses on Islam, Christianity, Budhism, etc. there are also courses available on anthropology where u can study about tribals.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Science & Engg. is for peons, non-science for leaders and religious studies are for the ones that run the country.

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Among the elective courses offered are included ( if we are talking about a decently sized university) courses on ancient and medieval history, courses on Sanskrit and Hindi/Urdu ( Hindi and Urdu are taught together often in North American universities since it is recognized that these are variants of the same language with two different scripts), courses on Hindu philosophy and Hindu mythology, and courses on Islam, Christianity, Budhism, etc. there are also courses available on anthropology where u can study about tribals.

Ya well, we are not talking about some US university where students get to study whatever grabs their fancy as an elective alongside more serious courses. We are talking about a madrasa in Chawri Bazar in Jalalpur. These kids will come out of school knowing Arabic, Sanskrit and religious gobbledegook from two millenia back. With that education they can become (a) mullahs (b) madrasa staff or (c) menial workers in the Gulf. With such career options, this "H-M synthesis" doesn't exactly strike as a brilliant idea to me.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Among the elective courses offered are included ( if we are talking about a decently sized university) courses on ancient and medieval history, courses on Sanskrit and Hindi/Urdu ( Hindi and Urdu are taught together often in North American universities since it is recognized that these are variants of the same language with two different scripts), courses on Hindu philosophy and Hindu mythology, and courses on Islam, Christianity, Budhism, etc. there are also courses available on anthropology where u can study about tribals.

Ya well, we are not talking about some US university where students get to study whatever grabs their fancy as an elective alongside more serious courses. We are talking about a madrasa in Chawri Bazar in Jalalpur. These kids will come out of school knowing Arabic, Sanskrit and religious gobbledegook from two millenia back. With that education they can become (a) mullahs (b) madrasa staff or (c) menial workers in the Gulf. With such career options, this "H-M synthesis" doesn't exactly strike as a brilliant idea to me.

my understanding is that certain subjects like math, science (physics/chemistry/biology), english, etc. are compulsory for all students in this institute. In addition to this, hindu students are taught persian, arabic, etc. and acquainted with islam while muslim students are taught sanskrit, etc. and acquainted with hinduism. the reason the 'electives' being offered in this school are being highlighted is because this is the USP of this school. otherwise (if the compulsory subjects i mention were not being taught along with the 'electives') this particular school would not have emerged as the most popular school in its neighborhood though there are three other schools nearby. it would be foolish to think that indian parents would prefer to send their kids to a school which would diminish their employment opportunities. Also, having a knowledge of sanskrit, persian, arabic, etc. leaves the door open for a serious study of Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc.
One of the foremost scholars of sanskrit and Indology today is Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit at Harvard University. Witzel learnt a lot of his sanskrit in India and Nepal. This shows that we should not have the mentality of 'ghar ka murgi daal barabar'.


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A madrasa in Jaunpur district presents a unique example of communal harmony. Children of Hindus and Muslims come here to learn about each other’s religion and spread the message of brotherhood between the two communities. Situated in Chawri Bazaar in Jalalpur area, the madrasa Anwarul Islam Salafiah was set up way back in 1998 and gradually Hindu children were enrolled in the institution.
“There was initial hesitation but gradually people started sending their children. The Hindu children started learning Urdu, Arabic, Persian and about Shariat while the Muslim students were taught Sanskrit and religious shlokas. People found the concept attractive and today, we have almost equal number of children from both the communities,” says Mohammad Shiyakat, who heads the madrasa.
“The only motive to set up the madrasa was to promote peace and harmony between the two religions, and this rare sight is what one gets to see here,” said the madrasa head. The madrasa has about 500 students and 16 teachers, six of them Hindus.
“The very purpose of setting up this institution was to forge a bond between Hindus and Muslims from a young age. If children learn to respect each other and each other’s religion, there will be no animosity between them when they grow up,” says Savita, a teacher in the madrasa. Incidentally, there are three other schools in the neighbourhood but the enrolment of students in those schools is much lower compared to the number studying in the madrasa. The land on which the madrasa is constructed was brought from a local Brahmin family that willingly gave up their land when they heard about the concept of the institution.

http://www.asianage.com/india/muslims-learn-shlokas-madrasa-763

Sure Rashmun. Perhaps you could tell us how many of today's serious researchers in Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc got their primary education from a madrasa?

another pertinent question -- would you rashmun have considered attending a madrasa school when you had other choices open to you and if you had a kid would you send him there?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Sure Rashmun. Perhaps you could tell us how many of today's serious researchers in Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc got their primary education from a madrasa?

the vast majority of madrasas do not offer the course curriculum that this one has; in fact this may be the only one of its kind. the fact that the locals prefer to send their kids to this particular institute instead of the three other schools in the neighborhood is enough to testify that this particular institute is giving quality education (relatively speaking of course)  to its students. Note that almost half of the faculty in this madrasa are hindus.

Witzel, the sanskrit professor at Harvard, learnt sanskrit from (among other people) a pandit in Nepal who he had engaged as a private tutor. There is no reason why a pandit working in this Madrasa and teaching sanskrit should be any worse than Witzel's Nepali teacher. It is strange that the same people who would jump at the opportunity to learn sanskrit from Witzel would turn up their nose at learning sanskrit from a pandit in India or Nepal (and so what if said pandit is teaching at a madrasa?). As the hindi saying goes, 'ghar ka murgi daal barabar'.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:another pertinent question -- would you rashmun have considered attending a madrasa school when you had other choices open to you and if you had a kid would you send him there?

this particular madrasa is unlike any other madrasa i have heard of--perhaps there is no madrasa like this in the world. Let us assume i had a child i wanted to send to school and suppose this particular madrasa or a madrasa just like this one was in the vicinity. i would then send my kid to the best school i could find where they would receive quality education in english, math, and science. But i would make an effort to make arrangements to send my kid to week-end and/or evening classes (need not be every day) to an institute like the one we are discussing and see if my child could learn some persian/arabic and also sanskrit. It is something like learning carnatic classical or bharatanatyam or learning to play the piano from one point of view. but even careerwise, it does allow you to develop an interest in Indology as a hobby. Sanskrit is important for the study of ancient indian history; persian is important for the study of medieval indian history since the court language and court documents and many contemporary history books of this time are in persian.
of course if my child does not show any interest in learning these languages i would put an end to these 'extra classes' after some time.

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Sure Rashmun. Perhaps you could tell us how many of today's serious researchers in Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc got their primary education from a madrasa?

the vast majority of madrasas do not offer the course curriculum that this one has; in fact this may be the only one of its kind. the fact that the locals prefer to send their kids to this particular institute instead of the three other schools in the neighborhood is enough to testify that this particular institute is giving quality education (relatively speaking of course)  to its students. Note that almost half of the faculty in this madrasa are hindus.

Witzel, the sanskrit professor at Harvard, learnt sanskrit from (among other people) a pandit in Nepal who he had engaged as a private tutor. There is no reason why a pandit working in this Madrasa and teaching sanskrit should be any worse than Witzel's Nepali teacher. It is strange that the same people who would jump at the opportunity to learn sanskrit from Witzel would turn up their nose at learning sanskrit from a pandit in India or Nepal (and so what if said pandit is teaching at a madrasa?). As the hindi saying goes, 'ghar ka ki murgi daal barabar'.

*Corrected*

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:another pertinent question -- would you rashmun have considered attending a madrasa school when you had other choices open to you and if you had a kid would you send him there?

this particular madrasa is unlike any other madrasa i have heard of--perhaps there is no madrasa like this in the world. Let us assume i had a child i wanted to send to school and suppose this particular madrasa or a madrasa just like this one was in the vicinity. i would then send my kid to the best school i could find where they would receive quality education in english, math, and science. But i would make an effort to make arrangements to send my kid to week-end and/or evening classes (need not be every day) to an institute like the one we are discussing and see if my child could learn some persian/arabic and also sanskrit. It is something like learning carnatic classical or bharatanatyam or learning to play the piano from one point of view. but even careerwise, it does allow you to develop an interest in Indology as a hobby which can go on to become a serious or even a professional pursuit. Sanskrit is important for the study of ancient indian history; persian is important for the study of medieval indian history since the court language and court documents and many contemporary history books of this time are in persian.
of course if my child does not show any interest in learning these languages i would put an end to these 'extra classes' after some time.

*Corrected*

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Sure Rashmun. Perhaps you could tell us how many of today's serious researchers in Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc got their primary education from a madrasa?

the vast majority of madrasas do not offer the course curriculum that this one has; in fact this may be the only one of its kind.

By that, i suppose you are referring to the Sanskrit shlokas taught to students at this madrasa in addition to the traditional training in Arabic, Hadiths etc.

But how about core subjects that make up primary education? Stuff which can eventually make a person employable...like Science, Math, English etc? Are these taught at this madrasa?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Sure Rashmun. Perhaps you could tell us how many of today's serious researchers in Indology, linguistics, computational linguistics (including natural language processing), etc got their primary education from a madrasa?

the vast majority of madrasas do not offer the course curriculum that this one has; in fact this may be the only one of its kind.

By that, i suppose you are referring to the Sanskrit shlokas taught to students at this madrasa in addition to the traditional training in Arabic, Hadiths etc.

But how about core subjects that make up primary education? Stuff which can eventually make a person employable...like Science, Math, English etc? Are these taught at this madrasa?

I already answered your question:

https://such.forumotion.com/t23948-h-m-synthesis-a-madrasa-where-hindu-and-muslim-children-are-taught-about-each-other-s-religion#159043

Per Wiki,"Though the madrasas impart Quranic education mainly, efforts are on to include Mathematics, Computers and science in the curriculum."

In other words, in the fullness of time, some useful courses may eventually get included, but as of now, madrasa students come out trained in Arabic and Islam. And those from Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa get taught Sanskrit shlokas as well. Fantastic. I see employers queuing up to recruit these gems.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Per Wiki,"Though the madrasas impart Quranic education mainly, efforts are on to include Mathematics, Computers and science in the curriculum."

In other words, in the fullness of time, some useful courses may eventually get included, but as of now, madrasa students come out trained in Arabic and Islam. And those from Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa get taught Sanskrit shlokas as well. Fantastic. I see employers queuing up to recruit these gems.

Wiki is often unreliable in these matters. See here:

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/iitians-teach-madrasa-teachers-physics-maths/1120750/0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2310689/Madrasas-turn-English-science-maths-help-pupils-shine-mainstream.html

From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

some exercising of independent judgments in matters like these is not a bad idea. based on everything you've said, there is no case for a madrasa based education when a traditional school, even a govt school is available as an alternate choice.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

some exercising of independent judgments in matters like these is not a bad idea. based on everything you've said, there is no case for a madrasa based education when a traditional school, even a govt school is available as an alternate choice.

even if a private school or govt school are available in your vicinity, what is one to do if the student wants to learn sanskrit and persian but said school does not offer these languages? how about joining the govt or private school and additionally attend week-end or evening classes at a madrasa like the Chawri bazar madrasa?

it seems to me as if people like u and merlot recoil with involuntary shock at hearing the word 'madrasa'.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

I thought the ones in West Bengal pretty much resemble stats curriculum.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

some exercising of independent judgments in matters like these is not a bad idea. based on everything you've said, there is no case for a madrasa based education when a traditional school, even a govt school is available as an alternate choice.

even if a private school or govt school are available in your vicinity, what is one to do if the student wants to learn sanskrit and persian but said school does not offer these languages? how about joining the govt or private school and additionally attend week-end or evening classes at a madrasa like the Chawri bazar madrasa?

it seems to me as if people like u and merlot recoil with involuntary shock at hearing the word 'madrasa'.

furthermore, poor people would not be able to afford a private school and some may not even be able to afford a govt school. institutes like the chawri bazar madrasa of jabalpur are a boon to such students.

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

Ok. But we're talking about Jalalpur in UP here.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

Ok. But we're talking about Jalalpur in UP here.

my mistake.

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:From your second link:

1. "Taleem ul- Quran was the first of a few madrasas to introduce English, science, mathematics and computer science along with their traditional curriculum."

2. "It is about time that madrasa education is modernised. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the community, who favour hardline ideologies, are obstructing the process of reform," said Syed Babar Ashraf.

Clearly, madrasas teaching science and math are rare exceptions, probably in big cities. I refuse to believe that Jalalpur's Chawri bazar madrasa is one of those. If you have any link to the contrary, pls provide.

the fact that the Chawri Bazar madrasa does not favor a hardline ideology should be obvious considering that it teaches its muslim students sanskrit and also hindu religious shlokas. Jabalpur is a big city, not some village. It is the third biggest city in Madhya Pradesh (after Bhopal and Indore).

According to wiki, Jabalpur is known as the 'cultural capital' of Madhya Pradesh.

Ok. But we're talking about Jalalpur in UP here.

my mistake.

the city under consideration is actually Jaunpur, and this madrasa is in the Jalalpur area of Jaunpur. Now the the thing to keep in mind is that Jaunpur city adjoins the city of Varanasi which is known for its composite culture.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:i think this is a brilliant idea.

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Science & Engg. is for peons, non-science for leaders and religious studies are for the ones that run the country.

same mentality leads you to believe that technocrats should not run ministries, comrade?

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Really? Isn't all that time better spent studying Math or Science or, considering it is UP, English? Those are skills they can use.

People who major in science or math or engineering in North America and Europe have to mandatorily take a certain number of non-science courses. Almost every semester a science or math or eng. student will have to take either one or even two of such elective courses. Any idea why the western educationists are forcing their wannabe scientists, engineers, and mathematicians to take courses which have nothing to do with science, math or engineering?

Yes. Some liberal arts courses in addition to core science / engg courses is a good idea. Wasting time on medieval dogma isn't.

Science & Engg. is for peons, non-science for leaders and religious studies are for the ones that run the country.

same mentality leads you to believe that technocrats should not run ministries, comrade?

I know reality sucks ..  btw, Jaitley ain't no technocrat per this piece

"India was led by a technocrat for 10 years and it has not done much good for the economy. We have good technocrats like Raghuram Rajan and Nandan Nilekani who can manage the backend of the financial system; however the front office can be better led by a politician who can work his way around crucial legislations."

http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/arun-jaitley-over-bimal-jalan-as-fm/1/206529.html

So this mural nair somehow becomes an authority on who or what is a technocrat ?
Jaitley is good. cd is just a sore loser.

truthbetold wrote:So this mural nair somehow becomes an authority on who or what is a technocrat ?
Jaitley  is good. cd  is just a sore loser.

My dear TBT, what's Mr. Jaitely's background, corporate expertise? he did his undergraduate degree in commerce and lawyer by trade. I've masters degree in engineering but that doesn't amount to much nor does it qualify me as an engineer, given my corporate experience.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:So this mural nair somehow becomes an authority on who or what is a technocrat ?
Jaitley  is good. cd  is just a sore loser.

My dear TBT, what's Mr. Jaitely's background, corporate expertise? he did his undergraduate degree in commerce and lawyer by trade. I've masters degree in engineering but that doesn't amount to much nor does it qualify me as an engineer, given my corporate experience.

and that Nair guy was actually pitching for Jaitley's selection not sure it makes him eligible for an authority