India to give citizenship to persecuted hindus in Paki, B'Desh

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:45 am

....On Friday, the home minister set up a task force to monitor and expedite the processing of citizenship and long term visa applications of (non-Muslim) minorities from neighbouring (Muslim majority) countries – Hindus and Sikhs from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Great...

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:13 am

how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:46 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?

why is that a concern to you? are you worried that muslims will impersonate hndus to sneak in? That comment may offend the sensitive secular minds.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:19 am

Is this a pathetic attempt to mimic global jihad? Shouldn't they worry about the prosecution of lower caste Indians, first? Oh! I forgot our communal govt. bestows moksha upon them by forcibly converting them back to Hinduism (what are they doing about lower caste Hindus). One thing is for sure, as the title of the column suggests this government's theme is fanning communal violence, however, Indian voters are smarter than these numbnuts; they will vote them out should they continue with this one sided agenda.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:24 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Is this a pathetic attempt to mimic global jihad? Shouldn't they worry about the prosecution of lower caste Indians, first? Oh! I forgot our communal govt. bestows moksha upon them by forcibly converting them back to Hinduism (what are they doing about lower caste Hindus). One thing is for sure, as the title of the column suggests this government's theme is fanning communal violence, however, Indian voters are smarter than these numbnuts; they will vote them out should they continue with this one sided agenda.

Who is making pathetic statements?

Union home minister is implementing a promise made in his party manifesto. Remember Indian people voted for that overwhelmingly.

And look at the problems themselves. These are not some behind the scene land allocations by YSR to Gali Reddy. These policies are to resolve long festering problems of people. Your only objection seems to be that the victims are hindus and perpetrators are muslims and islam is the cause.

Then you bring a totally irrelevant issue of lower castes. Why? if you want to throw in irrelevant issues you can throw in perennial problem of hunger in India and huge differences between the incomes of poor and rich. Some people may want to muddy the waters with issues like dynastic politics and corruption but you would not want to do that because those discussions hurt Rahul and Jagan.

Your post is a pathetic attempt at diversion from the main problem at discussion.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:55 am

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Is this a pathetic attempt to mimic global jihad? Shouldn't they worry about the prosecution of lower caste Indians, first? Oh! I forgot our communal govt. bestows moksha upon them by forcibly converting them back to Hinduism (what are they doing about lower caste Hindus). One thing is for sure, as the title of the column suggests this government's theme is fanning communal violence, however, Indian voters are smarter than these numbnuts; they will vote them out should they continue with this one sided agenda.
Who is making pathetic statements?

Union home minister is implementing a promise made in his party manifesto. Remember Indian people voted for that overwhelmingly.

And look at the problems themselves. These are not some behind the scene land allocations by YSR to Gali Reddy. These policies are to resolve long festering problems of people. Your only objection seems to be that the victims are hindus and perpetrators are muslims and islam is the cause.

Then you bring a totally irrelevant issue of lower castes. Why? if you want to throw in irrelevant issues you can throw in perennial problem of hunger in India and huge differences between the incomes of poor and rich. Some people may want to muddy the waters with issues like dynastic politics and corruption but you would not want to do that because those discussions hurt Rahul and Jagan.

Your post is a pathetic attempt at diversion from the main problem at discussion.

It is a pathetic attempt because, though they're Hindus they're not citizens of India. Don't you see the irony, on one hand NDA is a big proponent of persecution of minorities in India OTOH they want to rescue citizens of some other countries on the basis of religion. As for rehabilitating Kashmir pundits it looks like the govt. wants to create another Palestine like situation at the expense of poor Pandits (since no one knows how many of them really want to go back) so it can gain political mileage.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:56 am

truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:06 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).

Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:33 am

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:56 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

Yes, sir. You and daruwala are the only worldly wise people around.

Help us understand, how USA screens muslim students? How india screens visitors from Pakistan or bangladesh? How a country would review a refugee request (since the host country could be hostile)?

The world has established methods of verification. Non of them are full proof. Sometimes criminal minded slip through. The price you have pay for helping people in need. Indian authorities are really anal about pakistan visas. They must have done some home work as they are announcing this policy after several months of taking office.

It is interesting how quickly seculars find nitty gritty holes in a policy that helps hindus.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:06 am

truthbetold wrote:
Yes, sir. You and daruwala are the only worldly wise people around.

Help us understand, how USA screens muslim students? How india screens visitors from Pakistan or bangladesh? How a country would review a refugee request (since the host country could be hostile)?

The world has established methods of verification. Non of them are full proof. Sometimes criminal minded slip through. The price you have pay for helping people in need. Indian authorities are really anal about pakistan visas. They must have done some home work as they are announcing this policy after several months of taking office.

It is interesting how quickly seculars find nitty gritty holes in a policy that helps hindus.

Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation not turn into another Pakistan. Below is the view of then Prime Minister on refugees during '71 war.

https://such.forumotion.com/t26080-indira-gandhi-s-interview-on-pakistan-situation-in-71

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:08 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

Oh thats simple. The applicant can be tested by asking them to denounce Mahammad, Koran, "death to Pakistan", praise Lord ram, and finally pet and pat a Pig and sleep with a Pig to prove they are not muslims.

You think the embassy is incapable of screening hindus and muslims who come to India to visit Kasi and Ajmer ? It is what they are trained for..

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:13 am

Max

"not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim."

You hallucinate and accuse me of something I did not mean.

The policy is for terrorized hindus. I asked the question were you worried about muslims sneaking in as hindus. That includes muslims who sneak in for economic reasons such as huge numbers of Bangladeshis and several pakistani smugglers. Yes, Jihadis are also included. They will certainly exploit the new process. But ISI has well established routes to push them in. They do not need new changes in visa process.

What is interesting is you jumping to the conclusion that the word muslim is equal to jihadi and pushing it onto me. Look in the mirror.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:17 am

Max

"it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation."

That is your real feeling. You are not as brazen as CD to speak your mind. Explain why the policy is idiotic?

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:22 am

CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:31 am

truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?

Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US. Even if we assume persecution allegations are true, govt. can not take an unilateral decision.

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:37 am

super seculars are so concerned about jihadis supposedly making their way into india via this program but will close their eyes and say zero about home grown radicalization threat that must be reaching some kinda critical mass.

as if jihadis and their handlers will have the patience to go through the laborious process dealing with slow as molasses indian bureaucracy with high chance of failure when all they need is to contact their mulla reddy cohorts via radio, cellphone and internet across the border to coordinate things. oh I forget the professore still feels there is zero radicalization among indian, particularly southindian muslims.

by michelle2 Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:38 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

Oh thats simple. The applicant can be tested by asking them to denounce Mahammad, Koran, "death to Pakistan", praise Lord ram, and finally pet and pat a Pig and sleep with a Pig to prove they are not muslims.

You think the embassy is incapable of screening hindus and muslims who come to India to visit Kasi and Ajmer ? It is what they are trained for..

another simple verification procedure is to find out where they empty their bowels.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:41 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?
Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US. Even if we assume persecution allegations are true, govt. can not take an unilateral decision.

It is useless trying to explain CMAGS and their ilk who are convinced iSlamis are pieceful, and hindus are terrorists, and India is for the minorities of the minorities and by the minorities.

Cong(i) was dividing the hindu population for 50 years and helping conversion of the lower "castes" through money and the upper caste through love jihad.

Govt. can and it will. Just watch it.Good that White Skin Mata is technically an Italian citizen and the Raul and Bianca are also Italian citizens. Of course, they are welcome to Ghar wapasi.

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:50 am

michelle2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

Oh thats simple. The applicant can be tested by asking them to denounce Mahammad, Koran, "death to Pakistan", praise Lord ram, and finally pet and pat a Pig and sleep with a Pig to prove they are not muslims.

You think the embassy is incapable of screening hindus and muslims who come to India to visit Kasi and Ajmer ? It is what they are trained for..

another simple verification procedure is to find out where they empty their bowels.

your epitaph: "here lies a insignificant man who was obsessed with spelling errors & fecal matters. reviled by all, loved by none"

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:53 am

michelle2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

Oh thats simple. The applicant can be tested by asking them to denounce Mahammad, Koran, "death to Pakistan", praise Lord ram, and finally pet and pat a Pig and sleep with a Pig to prove they are not muslims.

You think the embassy is incapable of screening hindus and muslims who come to India to visit Kasi and Ajmer ? It is what they are trained for..

another simple verification procedure is to find out where they empty their bowels.

michelle/swapna/flimflam

your toilet bow(e)l mind can always be counted upon to deliver on defecation solution.

by Kris Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:02 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

>>>Why is it idiotic?

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:06 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?
Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US. Even if we assume persecution allegations are true, govt. can not take an unilateral decision.

Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US.

CD

Instead of making a bombastic declaration, put forward your reason why my analogy is worng and second why your analogy is right.

"Even if we assume persecution allegations are true,"

That implies you do not believe there is any persecution of Hindu religious people in Pakistan or bangladesh.

"govt. can not take an unilateral decision."

In political classes, which party can oppose this policy? BJP would be delighted to fight with congress and mulayam on this issue than you seculars.

Unilteral? This is part of ruling dispensions manifesto. People voted for them in large numbers. They have a responsibility to fulfill their promises. The policy is long overdue. They should implement it with vigor. Rahul can come out and explain why he opposes it.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:09 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?
Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US. Even if we assume persecution allegations are true, govt. can not take an unilateral decision.

It is useless trying to explain CMAGS and their ilk who are convinced iSlamis are pieceful, and hindus are terrorists, and India is for the minorities of the minorities and by the minorities.

Cong(i) was dividing the hindu population for 50 years and helping conversion of the lower "castes" through money and the upper caste through love jihad.

Govt. can and it will. Just watch it.Good that White Skin Mata is technically an Italian citizen and the Raul and Bianca are also Italian citizens. Of course, they are welcome to Ghar wapasi.

The discussion is about the decision made by the govt. to provide asylum (in essence voting rights) to foreign nationals on the basis of religious premise. Stick to that if you can.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:11 pm

Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

it is amazing that you are so blind. my concern is with jihadis from pakistan using this to gain easy entry into the country. it's an idiotic policy on the face of it. hence my q about the implementation. but it is amusing but not surprising to see you equate the words jihadi and muslim.

>>>Why is it idiotic?

Bcz he is an elite, highly intellectual and taken a oath to uphold to be objective and not equate muslims with jehad although every jehadi swears by iSlam and koran. He also has taken an additional oath to club only all BJP supporters as terrorists.

Oh, btw, you are a Brahacharanam and he is a vadagalai, that makes him superior.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:12 pm

truthbetold wrote:
CD

Unilteral? This is part of ruling dispensions manifesto. People voted for them in large numbers. They have a responsibility to fulfill their promises. The policy is long overdue. They should implement it with vigor. Rahul can come out and explain why he opposes it.

Huh! I thought that was to send refugees back to their countries.

by Kris Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:18 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?
Wrong analogy, this is more like current border situation in the US. Even if we assume persecution allegations are true, govt. can not take an unilateral decision.

It is useless trying to explain CMAGS and their ilk who are convinced iSlamis are pieceful, and hindus are terrorists, and India is for the minorities of the minorities and by the minorities.

Cong(i) was dividing the hindu population for 50 years and helping conversion of the lower "castes" through money and the upper caste through love jihad.

Govt. can and it will. Just watch it.Good that White Skin Mata is technically an Italian citizen and the Raul and Bianca are also Italian citizens. Of course, they are welcome to Ghar wapasi.
The discussion is about the decision made by the govt. to provide asylum (in essence voting rights) to foreign nationals on the basis of religious premise. Stick to that if you can.

>>> I gather your opposition to this is due to this being a unilateral decision? If so, is someone like the Congress opposing this and if yes, on what grounds?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:22 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

It is useless trying to explain CMAGS and their ilk who are convinced iSlamis are pieceful, and hindus are terrorists, and India is for the minorities of the minorities and by the minorities.

Cong(i) was dividing the hindu population for 50 years and helping conversion of the lower "castes" through money and the upper caste through love jihad.

Govt. can and it will. Just watch it.Good that White Skin Mata is technically an Italian citizen and the Raul and Bianca are also Italian citizens. Of course, they are welcome to Ghar wapasi.
The discussion is about the decision made by the govt. to provide asylum (in essence voting rights) to foreign nationals on the basis of religious premise. Stick to that if you can.

Hahaha...you were the one who dragged low-caste, prosecution (check your spelling), blah, blah, and more blah before being reprimanded by TBT....and now you are giving the rest "stick to the topic" command?

What happened? Did you have a talk with the "high Command" or the al-Jawahari or your station chief ?

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:17 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

TBT, have you seen anything on CH to suggest that I am not concerned by cross border infiltration? Pls provide links or acknowledge once and for all that you just talk through your hat most of the time.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:23 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:super seculars are so concerned about jihadis supposedly making their way into india via this program but will close their eyes and say zero about home grown radicalization threat that must be reaching some kinda critical mass.

as if jihadis and their handlers will have the patience to go through the laborious process dealing with slow as molasses indian bureaucracy with high chance of failure when all they need is to contact their mulla reddy cohorts via radio, cellphone and internet across the border to coordinate things. oh I forget the professore still feels there is zero radicalization among indian, particularly southindian muslims.

Yeah this makes sense. There might be so many radical Muslims within India, so let us throw our borders open - it's not going to make much of a difference any way. We can even take the higher moral ground with the rest of the world with our open borders policy.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:26 pm

truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?

Oh Unkil, then why find fault with the Pakis if they too share your love for persecuted people such as Kashmiris??

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:52 pm

Kris wrote:
>>>Why is it idiotic?

i thought i have explained it sufficiently upthread. briefly, it is difficult to distinguish between genuine persecuted hindus (or any southasians for that matter) seeking asylum and jihadis who want to use this route to gain access to enter the country. it's a needless headache.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:12 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
>>>Why is it idiotic?

i thought i have explained it sufficiently upthread. briefly, it is difficult to distinguish between genuine persecuted hindus (or any southasians for that matter) seeking asylum and jihadis who want to use this route to gain access to enter the country. it's a needless headache.

So in the same idiotic vain....it will be idiotic to deport the 10+ million illegal beggardeshis bcz many of them could well be hindus. So we should let the 10+ million (and millions more in the future) should be allowed to stay.

It is for the government to come up with plans and verification methods to implement the policy.

Do you know of any plan or objective that has no hiccups or constraints ?

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:54 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

It is useless trying to explain CMAGS and their ilk who are convinced iSlamis are pieceful, and hindus are terrorists, and India is for the minorities of the minorities and by the minorities.

Cong(i) was dividing the hindu population for 50 years and helping conversion of the lower "castes" through money and the upper caste through love jihad.

Govt. can and it will. Just watch it.Good that White Skin Mata is technically an Italian citizen and the Raul and Bianca are also Italian citizens. Of course, they are welcome to Ghar wapasi.
The discussion is about the decision made by the govt. to provide asylum (in essence voting rights) to foreign nationals on the basis of religious premise. Stick to that if you can.

Hahaha...you were the one who dragged low-caste, prosecution (check your spelling), blah, blah, and more blah before being reprimanded by TBT....and now you are giving the rest "stick to the topic" command?

What happened? Did you have a talk with the "high Command" or the al-Jawahari or your station chief ?

Really! that's all you can come up with, pointing out a typo?! persecution of lower caste folks & minorities is very relevant since that is the crux of this thread. Ask your communal government to clean its house first then worry about others. reprimanded by TBT Rolling Eyes

I didn't think he had an answer to my argument.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:59 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Really! that's all you can come up with, pointing out a typo?! persecution of lower caste folks & minorities is very relevant since that is the crux of this thread. Ask your communal government to clean its house first then worry about others.

Your typo changes the whole meaning ...but thats beside the point...

How is giving citizenship status to hindu refugees (a 50 yr issue) related to caste-discrimination, which is a 2000 yr old problem?

if you still insist it is related by missive to you is: wht did your secular cong(i) do about it for the last 50 years, why it did not resolve or ignore, and why you did not whine about it even 6 months back?

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:14 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
>>>Why is it idiotic?

i thought i have explained it sufficiently upthread. briefly, it is difficult to distinguish between genuine persecuted hindus (or any southasians for that matter) seeking asylum and jihadis who want to use this route to gain access to enter the country. it's a needless headache.

So in the same idiotic vain....it will be idiotic to deport the 10+ million illegal beggardeshis bcz many of them could well be hindus. So we should let the 10+ million (and millions more in the future) should be allowed to stay.

It is for the government to come up with plans and verification methods to implement the policy.

Do you know of any plan or objective that has no hiccups or constraints ?

This is not only idiotic but also dangerous, myopic and moronic. Who is to say that ISI won't use Pak Hindus as conduits to further their mission in India. BTW, at this point, B'desh Hindus are as much Indians as B'desh muslims.

by b_A Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:23 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Oh, btw, you are a Brahacharanam and he is a vadagalai, that makes him superior.

He is as much vadagalai as you are a goundar.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:27 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
This is not only idiotic but also dangerous, myopic and moronic. Who is to say that ISI won't use Pak Hindus as conduits to further their mission in India. BTW, at this point, B'desh Hindus are as much Indians as B'desh muslims.

Yeah rite...the Paki terrorists can sneak in and explode their nukes and the world might end tomorrow...so any and all policies are a waste of time. Who said this will not happen?... Razz

B'Desh muslims are NOT - repeat NOT - Indians. They were the ones who said they were not and demanded a separate muslim nation. With that they relinquished their Indianness and their sneaking back is nothing but treachery, deceit, jehad to steal Indian land. They deserve and should be thrown out. Now, that will be the the election slogan for BJP during the next NE elections.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:46 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

TBT, have you seen anything on CH to suggest that I am not concerned by cross border infiltration? Pls provide links or acknowledge once and for all that you just talk through your hat most of the time.

Daruwala

You have well earned label of jihadi apologist. You lived upto it even after such stressful times such as nov 26. So you asking proof of your cross border love affair is like ISI asking for secular credentials. good try but give it a rest.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:50 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
why is that a concern to you?

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

TBT, have you seen anything on CH to suggest that I am not concerned by cross border infiltration? Pls provide links or acknowledge once and for all that you just talk through your hat most of the time.
Daruwala

You have well earned label of jihadi apologist. You lived upto it even after such stressful times such as nov 26. So you asking proof of your cross border love affair is like ISI asking for secular credentials. good try but give it a rest.

i am glad you brought up nov 26. the failure of intelligence agencies to prevent it suggests they will be no better at implementing this asylum policy. there is no way they have the kind of shoe leather operation within pakistan to verify each asylum applicant's background. this is a disaster waiting to happen. i oppose it on the grounds that it puts the country's security at serious risk by handing easy entry to jihadis. i hope sensible people within and outside the govt point out the stupidity of this policy and nip it in the bud. wonder what india's moronic press is doing. indians cannot afford to let the BJP fuck around with national security just to gain a few votes.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:51 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD
"Because they would like to see India remain a secular nation "

Are you suggesting the US and european policies to help and protect jews during second world war is anti secular? When is helping persecuted people against secular principles?

Oh Unkil, then why find fault with the Pakis if they too share your love for persecuted people such as Kashmiris??

Unkil daruwala,

you are probably too drunk with your arrogance to realize, Kashmir is a land dispute started at the time of Indian independence. Is confusing an issue another session of your jihadi apologist training?

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:58 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Using saffron fog to legitimize the thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

It may not be a concern to you though (else we'd have seen a 500-word incoherent stream on the topic).
Dauwala,

thousands who currently sneak through the porous borders should be a concern to any Indian citizen.

Agree.

But my question is why is it of any concern to you and max, the seculars?

TBT, have you seen anything on CH to suggest that I am not concerned by cross border infiltration? Pls provide links or acknowledge once and for all that you just talk through your hat most of the time.
Daruwala

You have well earned label of jihadi apologist. You lived upto it even after such stressful times such as nov 26. So you asking proof of your cross border love affair is like ISI asking for secular credentials. good try but give it a rest.

i am glad you brought up nov 26. the failure of intelligence agencies to prevent it suggests they will be no better at implementing this asylum policy. there is no way they have the kind of shoe leather operation within pakistan to verify each asylum applicant's background. this is a disaster waiting to happen. i oppose it on the grounds that it puts the country's security at serious risk by handing easy entry to jihadis. i hope sensible people within and outside the govt point out the stupidity of this policy and nip it in the bud. wonder what india's moronic press is doing.

Max,

As you pointed out Nov 26 and many other jihadi terrorist incidents happened when India does not have any of these visas. In other words, as i pointed out earlier, ISI already figured out ways to enter india without additional help. It will continue to do so at will.

Risk is inherent in any dealings with Pakistan. So to make a positive progress in a long pending issue, such risk will not alter the current terror landscape.

It is interesting that seculars suddenly started shedding crocodile tears about jihadi terrorism risk when the issue was helping a hindu cause.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:01 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?

You mean........., what if they are self-deprecating sikular fukularists?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:06 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how will they verify that the applicant is a hindu?
You mean........., what if they are self-deprecating sikular fukularists?

is it possible for you to temporarily suspend your hatred for people who are politically opposed to you and your way of thinking, but fundamentally share your desire to keep jihadists away from the border and evaluate this with cold logic? or are you incapable of something like that? same q to TBT.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:12 pm

Just to comfort jihadi apologists, I would like clarify some harsh truths. Rate and timing of terrorism in india is a political decision by pakistan. It is not always decided by the elected govt. In fact it is always decided by ISI and implemented by jihadi forces. They use either direct pakistani assets that enter india for a specific period of time or long established sleeper cells in India. Neither of these jihadi terrorists need visa route. It is unwise to expect border sealing between India and pakistan. However, one has to make it as difficult and as expensive and painful as possible.

Confounding persecuted hindu issue with jihadi terror issue is just another trick to score cheap political points.

If jehadi terrorist incidents increase in coming months, it will be more due to pakistani internal squabbles than due to any visa policy.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:24 pm

Max

I answered your question more than once above.

But let me repeat:

1. The risk of jihadis entering india will not alter if india introduces hindu visa. India will have policies to screen applicants just like visitor visa.

2. Pakistan could unleash much more terror in India at any time even now if it makes a political decision. Only reason terrorism is low is due to Indian and international pressure on pakistan and indirectly on pakistan terror master ISI.

3. If the question was asked by daruwala, I would have replied "Since most of the terror acts in India involved males in the past, all you have to do is make a physical check. " . That should make daruwala go to bed peacefully with wet dreams.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:35 pm

truthbetold wrote:Max

I answered your question more than once above.

But let me repeat:

1. The risk of jihadis entering india will not alter if india introduces hindu visa. India will have policies to screen applicants just like visitor visa.

2. Pakistan could unleash much more terror in India at any time even now if it makes a political decision. Only reason terrorism is low is due to Indian and international pressure on pakistan and indirectly on pakistan terror master ISI.

3. If the question was asked by daruwala, I would have replied "Since most of the terror acts in India involved males in the past, all you have to do is make a physical check. " . That should make daruwala go to bed peacefully with wet dreams.

your argument is quite similar to opponents of gun control. gun control doesn't work, the criminals have guns any way. so let's have as liberal a gun policy as we can possibly have. the problem with that is that liberal gun policies don't just benefit law abiding gun owners, but makes access to criminals even easier than it already was. just because the jihadis have other means of entering the country, doesn't mean we should hand them yet another one. if you have done a basic course in electrical circuits, this is like adding a resistance in parallel to other existing legs between two points in a circuit, albeit a very low resistance.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:38 pm

Can India trade sikularists for Paki & BungleDeshi Hindus? How about sending Mani Shankar Aiyer, MullahYama, Laloo, Doggy, Mamata, Nitish, Sonia, and K'nidhi to Swat valley?

by truthbetold Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:41 pm

Max

look at it from the risk point of you. is the risk going to change in any significant way of hindu visa is implemented? No. is the assessment of Indian security establishment.

India has to continue to live as normal as it can. It cannot build fence (actually it did but it works poorly) around it self and live in isolation. It has to carry interaction risks and manage them well. Outside of Pakistan , India managed it reasonably well.

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:49 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
This is not only idiotic but also dangerous, myopic and moronic. Who is to say that ISI won't use Pak Hindus as conduits to further their mission in India. BTW, at this point, B'desh Hindus are as much Indians as B'desh muslims.

Yeah rite...the Paki terrorists can sneak in and explode their nukes and the world might end tomorrow...so any and all policies are a waste of time. Who said this will not happen?...

B'Desh muslims are NOT - repeat NOT - Indians. They were the ones who said they were not and demanded a separate muslim nation. With that they relinquished their Indianness and their sneaking back is nothing but treachery, deceit, jehad to steal Indian land. They deserve and should be thrown out. Now, that will be the the election slogan for BJP during the next NE elections.

Don't preach to the choir, Isn't that what I said in my previous post " B'desh Hindus are as much Indians as B'desh muslims - which is NONE". Weren't you crying inconsolably a few months ago about B'desh muslim refugees in NE states, saying vote bank politics, What changed now?

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