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confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

indophile wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

What is jhatka? One swing of the sword and head of the animal separates from the body?

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

indophile wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

What is jhatka? One swing of the sword and head of the animal separates from the body?

yes. that's what I r'ber hearing.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

indophile wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

What is jhatka? One swing of the sword and head of the animal separates from the body?

yes. that's what I r'ber hearing.

Per Wikipedia jhatka is preferred method for Bali ritual and requirement for shaivaites and Durga puja in certain parts of India

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhatka

truthbetold wrote:Cd
educate us about halal meat. What type of meat is sold in
India? most of the butchers are Muslims.
How is this logic applied to chicken, fish etc.

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

Kris wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

don't care either way. from what dad used to explain halal/jhatka was more of a muslim/Sikh thing. Dunno if Sikhs are that hard core about avoiding halal.

>>>Wait. I thought halal refers to a slow killing of the animal. I honestly haven't wanted to look into it. It is like the old saying by Bismarck (?) ' people who like sausages and laws shouldn't watch either being made'. I prefer to think of meat as something made by the local Safeway employees

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Cd
educate us about halal meat. What type of meat is sold in
India? most of the butchers are Muslims.
How is this logic applied to chicken, fish etc.

Which is precisely why I was asking this question. What are you gonna do now

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

>>> I am not much of a mutton person. If I eat anything other than chicken occasionally, it has to be medium rare steak. My wife gets  mutton biryani once in awhile from the local Pakistani place. I am not sure about the halal aspect. My older son likes it, but being American I don't think he would know what that means

Kinnera wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

>>> I am not much of a mutton person. If I eat anything other than chicken occasionally, it has to be medium rare steak. My wife gets  mutton biryani once in awhile from the local Pakistani place. I am not sure about the halal aspect. My older son likes it, but being American I don't think he would know what that means

I don't blame him. As a Hyderabadi, even i didn't know what it means till now. Will have to do the wiki now.

Kinnera wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

>>> I am not much of a mutton person. If I eat anything other than chicken occasionally, it has to be medium rare steak. My wife gets  mutton biryani once in awhile from the local Pakistani place. I am not sure about the halal aspect. My older son likes it, but being American I don't think he would know what that means

I don't blame him. As a Hyderabadi, even i didn't know what it means till now. Will have to do the wiki now.

Edit: I first heard about the word 'halal' only in US. I was told  it's a muslim way of butchering animals and that muslims eat only that meat. Didn't think much abt it. The other day, our non-veg brahmin lady here put some gynanam into me saying that muslims don't eat in fast food or other american restaurants coz it's not halal meat. That's was some news to me.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:jewish dietary laws (kashrut), especially those relating to meat i thought were identical to muslims. in fact the safest place for a jew to purchase meat is at a muslim butcher shop.

kosher slaughter.

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

>>> I am not much of a mutton person. If I eat anything other than chicken occasionally, it has to be medium rare steak. My wife gets  mutton biryani once in awhile from the local Pakistani place. I am not sure about the halal aspect. My older son likes it, but being American I don't think he would know what that means

I don't blame him. As a Hyderabadi, even i didn't know what it means till now. Will have to do the wiki now.

Edit: I first heard about the word 'halal' only in US. I was told  it's a muslim way of butchering animals and that muslims eat only that meat. Didn't think much abt it. The other day, our non-veg brahmin lady here put some gynanam into me saying that muslims don't eat in fast food or other american restaurants coz it's not halal meat. That's was some news to me.

Muslims (pious) are as picky as Brahmins / vegetarians in eating at restaurants.. Not just the halal (that is one reason), they try as much to avoid restaurants that serve pork.. as pork is banned by Islam. I was initially thinking that Muslims revere pigs like vegetarian Hindus revere cows and avoid beef, but later a jewish friend disabused me of that notion. Pork is banned because pigs are supposed to be unclean and dirty animals and even Jewish/Christian scriptures ban pork it seems.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:as i grow older, i find myself unable to walk by the meat aisles in the grocery stores. it never use to bother me, but now the stench and blood and flesh render me unable to function. so i either run or avoid it altogether.

truthbetold wrote:Kris,

If pork was banned in Europe, Christianity would have had tough time to gain a foothold in that continent.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:as i grow older, i find myself unable to walk by the meat aisles in the grocery stores. it never use to bother me, but now the stench and blood and flesh render me unable to function. so i either run or avoid it altogether.

being in the company of a dog and interacting first hand with animal intelligence and sentience makes it even more difficult to go back to meat eating even on rare occasions.  the one thing that i still enjoy is eating sea food, and these days even that fills me with a terrible guilt.

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:as i grow older, i find myself unable to walk by the meat aisles in the grocery stores. it never use to bother me, but now the stench and blood and flesh render me unable to function. so i either run or avoid it altogether.

being in the company of a dog and interacting first hand with animal intelligence and sentience makes it even more difficult to go back to meat eating even on rare occasions.  the one thing that i still enjoy is eating sea food, and these days even that fills me with a terrible guilt.

i can't get myself to eat beef, and I limit chicken to max 3-4 times a week, which in itself is a lot more than I would like. Back home we used to eat it maybe 3-4 times a month. The other day xh got food from chipotle for me. Was supposed to be chicken. however the first piece of meat i saw didn't look like chicken. I asked him that maybe he got someone else's order, but he insisted it's chicken (w/o looking). I tried to break it, didn't look like chicken. At this point I should have thrown it, but I decided to check it further and ate it. First bite and I spit it out. How do people eat that rubber. Anyway, that was the lone piece that must have wandered in. After that, I watched each piece I was eating and it was all good.

Kris wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:as i grow older, i find myself unable to walk by the meat aisles in the grocery stores. it never use to bother me, but now the stench and blood and flesh render me unable to function. so i either run or avoid it altogether.

being in the company of a dog and interacting first hand with animal intelligence and sentience makes it even more difficult to go back to meat eating even on rare occasions.  the one thing that i still enjoy is eating sea food, and these days even that fills me with a terrible guilt.

i can't get myself to eat beef, and I limit chicken to max 3-4 times a week, which in itself is a lot more than I would like. Back home we used to eat it maybe 3-4 times a month. The other day xh got food from chipotle for me. Was supposed to be chicken. however the first piece of meat i saw didn't look like chicken. I asked him that maybe he got someone else's order, but he insisted it's chicken (w/o looking). I tried to break it, didn't look like chicken. At this point I should have thrown it, but I decided to check it further and ate it. First bite and I spit it out. How do people eat that rubber. Anyway, that was the lone piece that must have wandered in. After that, I watched each piece I was eating and it was all good.

>>>Why are you apportioning max's meals?

truthbetold wrote:Kris,

If pork was banned in Europe, Christianity would have had tough time to gain a foothold in that continent.

Acts 10 wrote:
10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:jewish dietary laws (kashrut), especially those relating to meat i thought were identical to muslims. in fact the safest place for a jew to purchase meat is at a muslim butcher shop.

kosher slaughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws wrote:There are no restrictions on what organs or parts of the carcass may be eaten from a Halal-slaughtered and -dressed animal; as long as it was slaughtered and prepared according to the rules of Halal, the entire animal, with the exception of[citation needed] blood, bones, fat not attached to meat, and wounded parts, is fit for consumption by Muslims. However, Kashrut prohibits eating the chelev (certain types of fat) and gid hanosheh (the sciatic nerve), and thus the hindquarters of a kosher animal must undergo a process called nikkur (or, in Yiddish, porging) in order to be fit for consumption by Jews. As nikkur is an expensive, time-consuming process, it is rarely practiced outside of Israel, and the hindquarters of kosher-slaughtered animals in the rest of the world are generally sold on the non-kosher market.[20]

Kinnera wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Do you guys avoid eating halal meat, especially mutton eaters given the choice is pretty much limited to halal variety in the US

>>> I am not much of a mutton person. If I eat anything other than chicken occasionally, it has to be medium rare steak. My wife gets  mutton biryani once in awhile from the local Pakistani place. I am not sure about the halal aspect. My older son likes it, but being American I don't think he would know what that means

I don't blame him. As a Hyderabadi, even i didn't know what it means till now. Will have to do the wiki now.

Edit: I first heard about the word 'halal' only in US. I was told  it's a muslim way of butchering animals and that muslims eat only that meat. Didn't think much abt it. The other day, our non-veg brahmin lady here put some gynanam into me saying that muslims don't eat in fast food or other american restaurants coz it's not halal meat. That's was some news to me.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Cd
educate us about halal meat. What type of meat is sold in
India? most of the butchers are Muslims.
How is this logic applied to chicken, fish etc.

Which is precisely why I was asking this question. What are you gonna do now

Still a little puzzled.  Why am I supposed to do anything? 

Even assuming I am in India, why should I have a problem? 

Is there strike by butchers?  Are you organizing butchers to go on a strike?  

Are your butchers friends refusing to do their kula dharmam? 

What is the problem?

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:jewish dietary laws (kashrut), especially those relating to meat i thought were identical to muslims. in fact the safest place for a jew to purchase meat is at a muslim butcher shop.

kosher slaughter.

Not quite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws wrote:There are no restrictions on what organs or parts of the carcass may be eaten from a Halal-slaughtered and -dressed animal; as long as it was slaughtered and prepared according to the rules of Halal, the entire animal, with the exception of[citation needed] blood, bones, fat not attached to meat, and wounded parts, is fit for consumption by Muslims. However, Kashrut prohibits eating the chelev (certain types of fat) and gid hanosheh (the sciatic nerve), and thus the hindquarters of a kosher animal must undergo a process called nikkur (or, in Yiddish, porging) in order to be fit for consumption by Jews. As nikkur is an expensive, time-consuming process, it is rarely practiced outside of Israel, and the hindquarters of kosher-slaughtered animals in the rest of the world are generally sold on the non-kosher market.[20]

confuzzled dude wrote:
So.. looks like it doesn't work ONLY in Israel. Even the skull caps they wear are identical.

Maria S wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
So.. looks like it doesn't work ONLY in Israel. Even the skull caps they wear are identical.

I assume you all know the simple-basic answer to this..don't you..In case someone does not..

They are all from the same ancestry- family tree: Abraham being the grand-great Grandpa to them all..

*(Arab) Muslims are the descendents of Son #1 Ishmael (Father of Arabs)

*Jews are descendents of Son #2 Isaac ("The Special and Chosen One"- Father of Hebrews)

Of the thousands of descendants..the most noteworthy of Isaac's lineage was Jesus the Rebel Jew - who questioned most of the "human" traditional Judeo practices and rituals..his teachings (New Testament) were almost in reversal of the Old Testament of the Bible, and we know what happens when any Rebel becomes popular..and the powerful are threatened. So, point being..most of the practices are similar and that's no surprise.

Speaking of the Rebel Jew...this is what he says about "unclean food" and practices..another apparent *gasp* moment (for the Jewish Leaders) at that time. One may interpret it any way they want to, it seems quite direct to me.

Matthew 15:15-20
 15 Then Peter asked Jesus, "Explain what you meant when you said people aren't defiled by what they eat." 16 "Don't you understand?" Jesus asked him. 17 "Anything you eat passes through the stomach and then goes out of the body. 18 But evil words come from an evil heart and defile the person who says them. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all other sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander. 20 These are what defile you. Eating with unwashed hands could never defile you and make you unacceptable to God.