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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:18 am



Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:28 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

that's dusshera. diwali is the homecoming of ram -- everything lit up in celebration.
yet another twist: we (UPites) celebrate diwali for the above reasons but light up the house for a different reason -- to ensure goddess laxmi finds the way to our house (laxmi puja for us falls on diwali day and is THE REAL puja)


Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?
 in religion no one is right. save rashmun i guess.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:29 am

Celebration of the winning of good over evil. That's the concept. Ram over ravana or krishna over kamsa is irrelevant. Now don't start off the petty fights, Narada mahamuni! Razz

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:30 am

Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:35 am

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
laxmi puja, like navaratri and other pujas, falls multiple times a year. it is a regional choice as to which one to observe. in bengal laxmi puja is five days after durga puja (dusherra day).

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:36 am

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
Nopes, not in the south. but, I know that marwadies in hyd do it in their businesses (shops).

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:36 am

Kinnera wrote:Celebration of the winning of good over evil. That's the concept. Ram over ravana or krishna over kamsa is irrelevant. Now don't start off the petty fights, Narada mahamuni! Razz
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Post by truthbetold Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:37 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Satyabama killing narakasura ( not Krishna killing kamsa) .

Bx

Laxmi pooja is performed in ap but unlike Gujarat and marwari cultures it is not a new year celebration. No danteras. Either.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:39 am

Kinnera wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
Nopes, not in the south. but, I know that marwadies in hyd do it in their businesses (shops).
i think in south it's done about 2 months earlier. vara laxmi puja in tn?

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:40 am

Lol, Madsi! Smile

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:40 am

madrasi_idiot wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
Nopes, not in the south. but, I know that marwadies in hyd do it in their businesses (shops).
i think in south it's done about 2 months earlier. vara laxmi puja in tn?
Ya, true!

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:43 am

truthbetold wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Satyabama killing narakasura ( not Krishna killing kamsa) .

Bx

Laxmi pooja is performed in ap but unlike Gujarat and marwari cultures it is not a new year celebration. No danteras. Either.
good point. the new year is not related to the laxmi puja. plus it is just the accounting new year (vikram samvat) adopted during vikramaditya's time. predating that is the tradition that our new year starts with the onset of basant season (april) and which is what is still observed.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:47 am

madrasi_idiot wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
laxmi puja, like navaratri and other pujas, falls multiple times a year. it is a regional choice as to which one to observe. in bengal laxmi puja is five days after durga puja (dusherra day).

You are right. Lakshmi puja in our house falls on different days every year...sometime does not fall.

It is the day I get a(ny) refund from the IRS.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:37 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.

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Post by Kris Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:47 am

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
>>I think that may hold for spring/harvest festivals, since those are celebrations of the onset of a season that would have had significance for farming populations. Deepavali doesn't seem to tie into anything like that. It quite likely has a religious (hindu) origin. Hinduism did grow organically, but it must have crystallized several centuries ago for there to be nationwide celebrations like this.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:00 pm

Kris wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
>>I think that may hold for spring/harvest festivals, since those are celebrations of the onset of a season that would have had significance for farming populations. Deepavali doesn't seem to tie into anything like that. It quite likely has a religious (hindu) origin. Hinduism did grow organically, but it must have crystallized several centuries ago for there to be nationwide celebrations like this.

Just like 30 days of fasting in a holy month predates Islam and usurped by Muslims as Ramzan/Ramadan, Deepavali is a cultural festival usurped by "modern" Hindus, we can clearly see as every region celebrates for its own reasons.. For Gujaratis, it also brings a new year as well..

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Post by truthbetold Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:05 pm

Kinnera wrote:
madrasi_idiot wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
Nopes, not in the south. but, I know that marwadies in hyd do it in their businesses (shops).
i think in south it's done about 2 months earlier. vara laxmi puja in tn?
Ya, true!
Not sure. Vara laxmi puja is a women only kind of event.
I remember that we used to have laxmi as the center of puja. But then it is a long time ago.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:15 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
madrasi_idiot wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:Others don't do laxmi pooja? Why am I so clueless.
Nopes, not in the south. but, I know that marwadies in hyd do it in their businesses (shops).
i think in south it's done about 2 months earlier. vara laxmi puja in tn?
Ya, true!
Not sure. Vara laxmi puja is a women only kind of event.
I remember that we used to have laxmi as the center of puja. But then it is a long time ago.
Lakshmi puja is lakshmi puja, no?

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Post by Bittu Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:21 pm

Didn't read anything on this thread, including OP's post.

We celebrate Diwali because it's a reason to light a lot of diyas (light). and kids love the firecrackers.


End of story. Has nothing to do with religion or heritage or rituals.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:30 pm

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
you are absolutely right! santa claus will gift you iphone6 on christmas.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:33 pm

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Kris wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
>>I think that may hold for spring/harvest festivals, since those are celebrations of the onset of a season that would have had significance for farming populations. Deepavali doesn't seem to tie into anything like that. It quite likely has a religious (hindu) origin. Hinduism did grow organically, but it must have crystallized several centuries ago for there to be nationwide celebrations like this.

Just like 30 days of fasting in a holy month predates Islam and usurped by Muslims as Ramzan/Ramadan, Deepavali is a cultural festival usurped by "modern" Hindus, we can clearly see as every region celebrates for its own reasons.. For Gujaratis, it also brings a new year as well..

Sikhs also celebrate Deepavali....think as a new year?

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Post by seven Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:05 pm

The North Indian version is correct of course. Everyone knows that. They taught us in social studies in school. Indian festivals.

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Post by FluteHolder Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:13 pm

I was just looking at the word

Usurped: 
 take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.


  • take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally: supplant.
    "the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"


  • archaic
    encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
    "the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"




--
What an interesting choice of word by PS!

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:25 pm

Yes, Lakshmi pooja (not Vara Lakshmi pooja, which is a vratam) is common all across India. 

The story seems to vary depending on the region but the common theme is good winning over evil.

I think the SI theme is closer to the real intent. Giving prominence to Lakshmi (Satyabhama helping Krishna in killing Naraka and people appreciating her effort) and then celebrating the elimination of an evil character. But then, that is my bias.

We should be supportive of Rashmun and change Diwali celebration to honouring great Moghul conquest over communal Chaddis. If not for Babar and Aurangazeb, India would still be living in communal darkness. We should also honour Rashmun's sex-deen-ilahi (H-M synthesis). After Babar pooja, everyone should indulge in kinky H-M synthesis rather than waste money on fire-crackers.

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:55 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Kris wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Naarthies celebrate DiWaali as the occasion of Ram defeating Ravan

Southies celebrate Deepavali as the occasion of Krishna defeating Kamsa.

Which one is right ?

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
>>I think that may hold for spring/harvest festivals, since those are celebrations of the onset of a season that would have had significance for farming populations. Deepavali doesn't seem to tie into anything like that. It quite likely has a religious (hindu) origin. Hinduism did grow organically, but it must have crystallized several centuries ago for there to be nationwide celebrations like this.

Just like 30 days of fasting in a holy month predates Islam and usurped by Muslims as Ramzan/Ramadan, Deepavali is a cultural festival usurped by "modern" Hindus, we can clearly see as every region celebrates for its own reasons.. For Gujaratis, it also brings a new year as well..

Sikhs also celebrate Deepavali....think as a new year?
interesting question. i googled:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Diwali

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:09 am

madrasi_idiot wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
Kris wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:

Just like Christmas is a winter festival celebrated by diff. groups usurped by Christians, Deepavali is most likely a cultural festival celebrated for different reasons and usurped by Hindus. Deepavali is celebrated by Jains as well.
>>I think that may hold for spring/harvest festivals, since those are celebrations of the onset of a season that would have had significance for farming populations. Deepavali doesn't seem to tie into anything like that. It quite likely has a religious (hindu) origin. Hinduism did grow organically, but it must have crystallized several centuries ago for there to be nationwide celebrations like this.

Just like 30 days of fasting in a holy month predates Islam and usurped by Muslims as Ramzan/Ramadan, Deepavali is a cultural festival usurped by "modern" Hindus, we can clearly see as every region celebrates for its own reasons.. For Gujaratis, it also brings a new year as well..

Sikhs also celebrate Deepavali....think as a new year?
interesting question. i googled:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Diwali
so it turns out everyone celebrates diwali but for different reasons. some for laxmi, some for guru gobind, some for mahavira's moksha, some for kansa, some for kali (bengal) and muslims for the hell of it (H-M synthesis at last!).

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