remembering 9/11

by Impedimenta Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:13 am

....remember one man clearly from 9/11 - Rudy guiliani

http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:41 pm

Impedimenta wrote:....remember one man clearly from 9/11 - Rudy guiliani

http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/

Thank goodness NFL season started today and it's over now; friggin media and their over the top nonsense.

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:15 pm

confuzzled - ditto...cant stand the mindless weepy jingoistic grief porn that they are selling on TV.

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:18 pm

nfl team played football week after 911? hero. richard grasso opened NYSE? hero. firemen? heros. wallstreet traders? heros. children that drew pictures of twin towers collapsing? heros. tis a nation of heros

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:47 pm

Hey I was back at work the day after 9/11. Why're you not counting me as a hero??

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:50 pm

you are a trouper indeed. I waited for a full week after 9-11 to sell my stock. dont know if I can claim hero status.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:55 pm

Definitely a hero. It takes true courage to put in a Sell order - not too many people measure up.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:33 pm

America is going non-stop on the 9/11 which killed 2700 people.

But, did India even bother to remember even casually its 300+ dead in the same 9/11 attack? - which is more than the number killed on 11/26 and other individual terror acts.

by Impedimenta Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:38 pm

you people sure are meanies. and, this place is full of heroes. i see stud muffin-ism and heroism oozing out of every wall here....you really deserve this... flower

for ya all wise people...

by Impedimenta Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:41 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:America is going non-stop on the 9/11 which killed 2700 people.

But, did India even bother to remember even casually its 300+ dead in the same 9/11 attack? - which is more than the number killed on 11/26 and other individual terror acts.

saamiyar,
accept it. you are responsible for 80 percent of the various "conspiracy theories" that surround the 9/11 attacks, are you not?

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:01 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:America is going non-stop on the 9/11 which killed 2700 people.

But, did India even bother to remember even casually its 300+ dead in the same 9/11 attack? - which is more than the number killed on 11/26 and other individual terror acts.

Unkil, Americans are drama queens. We on the other hand know that death is a necessary precursor to rebirth in the infinite loop of life.

But tell me one thing - why is death from terrorism more worthy of remembrance than death from say, a railway accident? In the past ten years, I'm willing to wager atleast 5,000 Indians died in train accidents in India, making them more worthy of remembrance than a bunch of people who abandoned the country for $$$.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:20 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:America is going non-stop on the 9/11 which killed 2700 people.

But, did India even bother to remember even casually its 300+ dead in the same 9/11 attack? - which is more than the number killed on 11/26 and other individual terror acts.

Unkil, Americans are drama queens. We on the other hand know that death is a necessary precursor to rebirth in the infinite loop of life.

But tell me one thing - why is death from terrorism more worthy of remembrance than death from say, a railway accident? In the past ten years, I'm willing to wager atleast 5,000 Indians died in train accidents in India, making them more worthy of remembrance than a bunch of people who abandoned the country for $$$.

Are you sure ? Or is it a special occasion for you to put your foot in your mouth (or anywhere else)?

Most of the 300+ desis who dies were H1Bs earning "dollars" for India through the IT companies. A county that is being looted by foreigners - Soniambaal and madmohan Sickji has no rights to talk about Indians going abroad to make $$$.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:24 pm

Maybe. But when you have tens of thousands of Indians dying in India every year over the last ten years, why special tears over a few hundred deaths ten years back?

by Guest Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:28 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:nfl team played football week after 911? hero. richard grasso opened NYSE? hero. firemen? heros. wallstreet traders? heros. children that drew pictures of twin towers collapsing? heros. tis a nation of heros

and I am a hero too!!!

remembering 9/11 Hero10

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:51 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:America is going non-stop on the 9/11 which killed 2700 people.

But, did India even bother to remember even casually its 300+ dead in the same 9/11 attack? - which is more than the number killed on 11/26 and other individual terror acts.

We re getting there. In a decade or so our media would have matured/reached to the set standards Smile

If you mean our Govt., In spite of all the chest thumping what did the US gain? I agree that Indian Govt. should have done more to curb terrorist attacks, however, as a developing nation India couldn't have afforded another war, which is not at all a correct measure to tackle terrorism.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:27 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Maybe. But when you have tens of thousands of Indians dying in India every year over the last ten years, why special tears over a few hundred deaths ten years back?

Sermon time:

Anytime a person dies prematurely, it is abnormal and tragic. In the case of an individual, the family mourns the death for a long time. When a group of people die prematurely, the community remembers the occasion - like when school children die in fire.

But people who die in terror acts are innocent 3rd party victims between the terrorists and their antagonists. When the terrorist target is the Govt and symbols of country - such as parliament, a city, a building symbol - then the victim is the psyche of the people and self-respect of the people. Then it is the duty of the country to remember the occasion to pay tribute to the people who die caught in between.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:41 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:But people who die in terror acts are innocent 3rd party victims between the terrorists and their antagonists. ...it is the duty of the country to remember the occasion to pay tribute to the people who die caught in between.

Very wise, Unkil. People who die in train accidents, on the other hand, are absolutely non-innocent, entirely complicit participants in the collision / derailment. The country owes nothing to such people who knowingly kill themselves in derailments and collisions. So what if the train they died in was owned, operated and maintained by the country, and they would have been alive if the country had not stinted on railway maintenance??

by truthbetold Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:03 pm

Merlot,

There is a risk in all human activities. People who travel in Trains face that risk every day. If some untoward incident happens and people die in a train accident, community react in an appropriate way as part of normal life.

A terrorist attack is not a risk that can be considered normal part of life. When terrorists attack a symbol of a nation with the express intent to cause mass causalities, then a nation would take that act as an act of war. People of the nation mourn the losses and find ways to eliminate the attacker. That is exactly what USA did.

As usual you try to confuse the discussion on terrorist acts (unusual acts) with routine train accidents(daily life risks). Just because there is some loss of life in both instances, they do not become similar incidents.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:25 pm

Thank you for your invaluable insight that railway accidents are a normal part of life and so 300 people dying in a train accident don't deserve any remembrance whereas 300 people dying in a bomb explosion should be mourned by the nation. We are blessed to have such mighty intellects amongst us. Thank you again.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:19 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:But people who die in terror acts are innocent 3rd party victims between the terrorists and their antagonists. ...it is the duty of the country to remember the occasion to pay tribute to the people who die caught in between.

Very wise, Unkil. People who die in train accidents, on the other hand, are absolutely non-innocent, entirely complicit participants in the collision / derailment. The country owes nothing to such people who knowingly kill themselves in derailments and collisions. So what if the train they died in was owned, operated and maintained by the country, and they would have been alive if the country had not stinted on railway maintenance??

This is what happens when one admires Rashmun. You learn to avoid the point and instead pick on something that is obvious.

I already answered about the train accident. of course, if you still don't get it...Imagine a train accident which kills 100 people and another accident due to a terror act that kills 50 people. According to you, you would not go after the terrorists bcz only 50 people are killed.

Not surprised at your interpretation knowing your admiration of lunatics like Rashman.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:26 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Thank you for your invaluable insight that railway accidents are a normal part of life and so 300 people dying in a train accident don't deserve any remembrance whereas 300 people dying in a bomb explosion should be mourned by the nation. We are blessed to have such mighty intellects amongst us. Thank you again.

Spin never stops. Where did I say anything about train accident's don't deserve remebrance? You create your own version of facts and try to comment on your manufactured facts and then pass comments about other people's intelligence. Tells us something about your perverted thinking. Read my post and seek help. If you still can't see the distinction between a train accident and 9/11 or 26/11, you need to work on analytical skills.

One cannot awake a person pretending to be asleep.

by charvaka Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:48 pm

Impedimenta wrote:....remember one man clearly from 9/11 - Rudy guiliani

http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/

Ten years is an awfully long time. I was in New York on a short business trip when this happened, and I wrote my one and only Sulekha article on my experience. It was also the only time I was on TV. I got out of the city before the dust had settled on ground zero, and when I went there five years later with my parents, it felt like a totally different place.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:27 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:This is what happens when one admires Rashmun.

Irrelevant.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:You learn to avoid the point and instead pick on something that is obvious.

Hardly. Your point was that India should have some special remembrance for those 300+ Indians who died in 2001. I clearly addressed that very point. But as is common with you, you have comprehension problems even with what is very obvious.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:According to you, you would not go after the terrorists bcz only 50 people are killed.

I never said that. Contrary to your delusional thinking, the discussion was not about going after terrorists but about your cockeyed belief that India should be remembering some 300+ Indians who died ten years back at WTC. Learn to focus on what the other person is actually saying rather than what you imagine he's saying.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Not surprised at your interpretation knowing your admiration of lunatics like Rashman.

As usual, you are unable to think through any topic without dragging in Muslims or Rashmun or both. I can understand your obsession with the former, given the post-8pm trauma you suffered at their hands, but what explains your obsession with Rashmun? Missing him that bad??

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:44 pm

truthbetold wrote:Spin never stops. Where did I say anything about train accident's don't deserve remebrance?

Then what were you disagreeing over?? Did you forget trivializing their deaths by calling railway accidents "normal" and how such deaths are not "untoward"? Either you post things which are different from what you were thinking or maybe you forget what you were thinking by the time you finish writing your 500-word essays. Anyway, if you now agree that India owes no special remembrance to the 300+ Indians who died in 9/11 when in fact, there are thousands of Indians suffering untimely deaths every year in India, we are not in disagreement. Now, please, don't embark on another 500 word essay claiming to be in agreement - you may again change your mind by the time you complete it.

truthbetold wrote:Tells us something about your perverted thinking. Read my post and seek help. If you still can't see the distinction between a train accident and 9/11 or 26/11, you need to work on analytical skills.

Sir, before you advise others on the nature of help they need, please focus on the core discussion - whether any special remembrance is merited for someone who dies in a bomb blast versus someone who dies in a train wreck. Take your own advice and don't "manufacture" your own version of what is the point of discussion. Anyway, since your analytical skills are, haha, clearly your strength, could you please explain why one cause of death is holier than another and why should it matter to the victims or their families whether they died from a bomb explosion or from a train wreck?

truthbetold wrote:One cannot awake a person pretending to be asleep.

Haha...sir, no pretensions here. Your verbose, meandering posts genuinely put me to sleep.

by truthbetold Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:25 pm

merlot,

Your refusal to read arguments that were already posted does not justify additional time to rewrite the same answers.

Read the first paragraph of first post. That clearly debunks your manufactured facts about what I feel about train accidents.

"verbose, meandering posts" - apt description of your manufactured facts.

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