CNN's war against Hinduism

pravalika nanda wrote:this guy will also tell you that islam is a religion of peace.
what does it say about him that he has chosen to speak about aghoris when hinduism is about far more than that? he likes sensational stuff.

let reza roam with the aghoris; in the interim india has been slowly developing it's space program and the middle class is growing.  there are  more than 170, 000 inidna millionaires ($). anyhow india is making progress. it's hard for a nation that big and with so much sociopolitical conflict to make progress but the nation is young and energetic.

reza's a sneaky sanctimonious fellow. he has been called out for it by sam harris and bill maher. he tries very hard to fool people into thinking he is an intellectual; as propa would say looks like a douchebag and i agree.  cnn is a nasty little entertainment center that promotes these kind of cheap "intellectuals." as do secular elites. they like this kind of crap.

there's no need to sign this petition.. that time is better spent educating yourself on indina arts/science/culture or funding a kid's education. or you'll feel better after doing some ahsme with your kid. the only way to show it to these retards is by being very smart and successful.

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:There certainly seems a valid reason for the U.S. President to call anything put forward by this TV channel as fake news. 

First all, the Rig Veda (the most ancient and authentic Hindu text) condemns the consumption of flesh. Moreover, even the later texts (including the Puranas) look at flesh-eaters abhorrently as 'rakshashas'.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:There certainly seems a valid reason for the U.S. President to call anything put forward by this TV channel as fake news. 

First all, the Rig Veda (the most ancient and authentic Hindu text) condemns the consumption of flesh. Moreover, even the later texts (including the Puranas) look at flesh-eaters abhorrently as 'rakshashas'.

The South Asian cell of CNN has always been run by anti-India monomaniacs. We don't need Trump to reveal that.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:There certainly seems a valid reason for the U.S. President to call anything put forward by this TV channel as fake news. 

First all, the Rig Veda (the most ancient and authentic Hindu text) condemns the consumption of flesh. Moreover, even the later texts (including the Puranas) look at flesh-eaters abhorrently as 'rakshashas'.

The South Asian cell of CNN has always been run by anti-India monomaniacs. We don't need Trump to reveal that.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

SomeProfile wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

Propagandhi711 wrote:the host is obviously trying to normalize islam in the minds of americans by saying look there are freaks in every religion...except freaks in other religions are not mainstreamed like they are in his and causing untold grief all over the world.

would be instructional to see what he'll do when it comes to islam. he may have to find a few tolerant islamics to show them as outlier freaks.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:There certainly seems a valid reason for the U.S. President to call anything put forward by this TV channel as fake news. 

First all, the Rig Veda (the most ancient and authentic Hindu text) condemns the consumption of flesh. Moreover, even the later texts (including the Puranas) look at flesh-eaters abhorrently as 'raksasas'.

Aslan makes clear in the episode that the Aghori – who number only a few thousand of the world’s estimated one billion Hindus – are a fringe group, and also interviews Aghori adherents who do not practice cannibalism.

Propagandhi711 wrote:the host is obviously trying to normalize islam in the minds of americans by saying look there are freaks in every religion...except freaks in other religions are not mainstreamed like they are in his and causing untold grief all over the world.

would be instructional to see what he'll do when it comes to islam. he may have to find a few tolerant islamics to show them as outlier freaks.

SomeProfile wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/06/reza-aslan-host-of-cnns-believer-catches-flack-for-showcasing-religious-cannibals-in-india/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.8b15d2f24452#comments

** one comment asks why he'd focus on the meat-eating aghori (possibly a cannibal)  when so many hindus are vegetarian.

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

rawemotions wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

South Indian Brahmins don't represent all India. Majority of Hindus are meat eaters.

Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

Well Said! But as Propa wrote, this program does not intend to show the best cultural practices of Non-Muslims. It is ridiculous

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Meat eaters in India (and rural China, Japan, etc.) are not like meat eaters in the West. Asian meat eaters don't necessarily eat meat with each meal. In fact, most of their meals are vegetable-based. These days, they may be eating more meat because of globalization.

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

Well Said! But as Propa wrote, this program does not intend to show the best cultural practices of Non-Muslims. It is ridiculous

Otoh Hindus never fail to rise to the occasion when it comes to disowning their own be it is Dalits or Aghoris. All the criticism from Hindus of this program/host is a proof of that

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

That may be true, but because of the early emigration of Southern Indian Brahmins to the west, westerners seem to mistakenly believe that Indians are uniformly vegetarians. Even some Indians (like Nanda here) have this notion. People like you and I are the minority when it comes to food habits in India.

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

Well Said! But as Propa wrote, this program does not intend to show the best cultural practices of Non-Muslims. It is ridiculous

Otoh Hindus never fail to rise to the occasion when it comes to disowning their own be it is Dalits or Aghoris. All the criticism from Hindus of this program/host is a proof of that

The very fact that you are now including Dalits and Aghoris in the same breadth, indicates your complete ignorance of Hinduism. Not all Dalits eat meat everyday. Many are lifelong vegetarians and others are only occasional meat eaters (either by habit or by necessity), but something that they continue to adopt, even if they are well off. Dalits have unique cultural traits, and are responsible for wonderful vegetarian dishes with meagre resources, that can be considered the best of Hinduism. You should stay with topics of your monotheistic religion , and refrain form denigrating Hinduism which you clearly know nothing about. It is quite clear there is nothing to be gained debating Hinduism with a person as ignorant as you.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:

The point is not about whether a majority of Hindus eat meat or not. The point is that compared to most other major religions of the world, Hindus (including Buddhists and Jains) have a higher proportion of vegetarians due to religious reasons. So, if you were doing a show about the Hindu religion, you would be more likely to talk about vegetarianism than cannibalism. You would also be likely to talk about selective vegetarianism (not eating meat on certain days of the week / month / year, and not eating certain types of meat). By ethnicity, Indians probably have the highest proportion of vegetarians, compared to any other group, again owing to the Hindu religion. That is something worth talking about in a documentary about Hinduism.

Well Said! But as Propa wrote, this program does not intend to show the best cultural practices of Non-Muslims. It is ridiculous

Otoh Hindus never fail to rise to the occasion when it comes to disowning their own be it is Dalits or Aghoris. All the criticism from Hindus of this program/host is a proof of that

The very fact that you are now including Dalits and Aghoris in the same breadth, indicates your complete ignorance of Hinduism. Not all Dalits eat meat everyday. Many are lifelong vegetarians and others are only occasional meat eaters (either by habit or by necessity), but something that they continue to adopt, even if they are well off. Dalits have unique cultural traits, and are responsible for wonderful vegetarian dishes with meagre resources, that can be considered the best of Hinduism. You should stay with topics of your monotheistic religion , and refrain form denigrating Hinduism which you clearly know nothing about. It is quite clear there is nothing to be gained debating Hinduism with a person as ignorant as you.

For all that verbal diarrhea laden deflection you haven't answered my question. On one hand you right-wing nuts have no qualms lumping all Muslims under political Islamists/terrorists category otoh you are lecturing me about how vegetarian Hindus are different from meat eating Hindus, you frikkin hypocrites.

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

How much ever you try to paint them as outsiders, Agohris are as much Hindus as you are. How is it a disingenuous and imbalanced documentary when he clearly states that (based on the excerpt from the article I posted) only a few thousand of the billion Hindus are Aghoris - a fringe group, he also interviewed Aghoris who are not cannibals. I brought in the comparison with Dalits because there were disowned (and still are in many places) by mainstream Hindus. Now carry on with playing your favorite card i.e. playing the victim.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

How much ever you try to paint them as outsiders, Agohris are as much Hindus as you are. How is it a disingenuous and imbalanced documentary when he clearly states that (based on the excerpt from the article I posted) only a few thousand of the billion Hindus are Aghoris - a fringe group, he also interviewed Aghoris who are not cannibals. I brought in the comparison with Dalits because there were disowned (and still are in many places) by mainstream Hindus. Now carry on with playing your favorite card i.e. playing the victim.

Your interest in Aghoris is commendable. Show the same interest in Ahmadiyas.

Aghoris are a fringe element - they don't follow the mainstream traditions. 

However, the difference between them and Ahmadiyas is - Aghoris are not treated as non-Hindus by the mainstream where as, Ahmadiyas are apostates to iSlam. There is no evidence for violence against Aghoris but Ahmadiyas are hunted down by the pieceful.

If your Sikularism allows some objectivity, you know what you should conclude.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

How much ever you try to paint them as outsiders, Agohris are as much Hindus as you are. How is it a disingenuous and imbalanced documentary when he clearly states that (based on the excerpt from the article I posted) only a few thousand of the billion Hindus are Aghoris - a fringe group, he also interviewed Aghoris who are not cannibals. I brought in the comparison with Dalits because there were disowned (and still are in many places) by mainstream Hindus. Now carry on with playing your favorite card i.e. playing the victim.

Your interest in Aghoris is commendable. Show the same interest in Ahmadiyas.

Aghoris are a fringe element - they don't follow the mainstream traditions. 

However, the difference between them and Ahmadiyas is - Aghoris are not treated as non-Hindus by the mainstream where as, Ahmadiyas are apostates to iSlam. There is no evidence for violence against Aghoris but Ahmadiyas are hunted down by the pieceful.

If your Sikularism allows some objectivity, you know what you should conclude.

Sir, from what I see it's not muslims that are trying to separate themselves from Aghoris/whining via change.org petition.

EVakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

How much ever you try to paint them as outsiders, Agohris are as much Hindus as you are. How is it a disingenuous and imbalanced documentary when he clearly states that (based on the excerpt from the article I posted) only a few thousand of the billion Hindus are Aghoris - a fringe group, he also interviewed Aghoris who are not cannibals. I brought in the comparison with Dalits because there were disowned (and still are in many places) by mainstream Hindus. Now carry on with playing your favorite card i.e. playing the victim.

Your interest in Aghoris is commendable. Show the same interest in Ahmadiyas.

Aghoris are a fringe element - they don't follow the mainstream traditions. 

However, the difference between them and Ahmadiyas is - Aghoris are not treated as non-Hindus by the mainstream where as, Ahmadiyas are apostates to iSlam. There is no evidence for violence against Aghoris but Ahmadiyas are hunted down by the pieceful.

If your Sikularism allows some objectivity, you know what you should conclude.

Sir, from what I see it's not muslims that are trying to separate themselves from Aghoris/whining via change.org petition.

If people don't like Aslan's show, what is wrong in expressing that view peacefully? Just imagine a
some kafir showing in a documentary PBUH killing a guy and having sex with the new widow..... What kind of pretest will the pieceful have on that?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
The entire crux of the conversation was about the fact that CNN focused on Aghoris and purported cannibalism. The main point is that, the documentary is disingenuous and imbalanced, since most Hindus lead a lifestyle, where they limit the amount of meat they eat. You inserted Dalits un-necessarily into the picture. There is nothing to answer there. 

Regarding the rest, and your intent to divert attention into something else,  and  say something negative for the heck of it (again with sweeping generalizations, betraying lack of clarity in one's thought processes) , please make a separate post and clarify your statements.

How much ever you try to paint them as outsiders, Agohris are as much Hindus as you are. How is it a disingenuous and imbalanced documentary when he clearly states that (based on the excerpt from the article I posted) only a few thousand of the billion Hindus are Aghoris - a fringe group, he also interviewed Aghoris who are not cannibals. I brought in the comparison with Dalits because there were disowned (and still are in many places) by mainstream Hindus. Now carry on with playing your favorite card i.e. playing the victim.

Your interest in Aghoris is commendable. Show the same interest in Ahmadiyas.

Aghoris are a fringe element - they don't follow the mainstream traditions. 

However, the difference between them and Ahmadiyas is - Aghoris are not treated as non-Hindus by the mainstream where as, Ahmadiyas are apostates to iSlam. There is no evidence for violence against Aghoris but Ahmadiyas are hunted down by the pieceful.

If your Sikularism allows some objectivity, you know what you should conclude.