rashmun/panini or other urdu experts

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:when does one use thum versus aap? in the movie ijaazat the male protagonist addresses his wife alternately as thum and aap, whereas he always addresses the other women as thum. is this relationship based or context based? or is it totally random? or is it a hindi versus urdu thing?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:You forgot the third expression: "tu"!

When a NI addresses another NI, he calls him aap
When he addresses a SI whose help he needs (for writing something in English), he will call him tum
When he is talking to the average SI, he calls him tu

Just kidding!

Rashmun wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:You forgot the third expression: "tu"!

When a NI addresses another NI, he calls him aap
When he addresses a SI whose help he needs (for writing something in English), he will call him tum
When he is talking to the average SI, he calls him tu

Just kidding!

Tu I think is not Hindustani i.e. not the Hindi or Urdu typically used in the cities of most of India. I could be wrong but I thing Tu is punjabi and it is also perhaps an acceptable variation of Tum in colloquial Hindi.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i rewatched ijaazat after many decades and noticing many more things. firstly, i understand much less of the screenplay than i did many years ago. my hindi has certainly atrophied. it's a lot harder to understand the dialogue than modern hindi movies probably because it is more urduiized. however, i am making connections that i never suspected existed. for example in the era when i lived in india, tamil newspapers used to employ the word mAji for former, i.e. mAji mudhal manthiri (former chief minister). i wondered but never knew what the origin of that word was. i just discovered after rewatching ijaazat that the urdu word for past is mAzi. surely, that's where it came from. i am sure there are many more.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:having said that, the newspapers have since banished these words (and correctly so IMO) and gone back to original words. in a country like india, this IS the right approach for non-hindi/english newspapers.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:having said that, the newspapers have since banished these words (and correctly so IMO) and gone back to original words. in a country like india, this IS the right approach for non-hindi/english newspapers.

I disagree completely. This is also the approach of many Hindi fanatics (to purge Hindi of any "foreign" words). This is a xenophobic attitude which needs to be strongly condemned.

Rashmun wrote:
Correction: Tu is an acceptable variation of Tum in colloquial Hindi and Urdu. Interestingly enough Tu is sometimes used when addressing God.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Correction: Tu is an acceptable variation of Tum in colloquial Hindi and Urdu. Interestingly enough Tu is sometimes used when addressing God.

tereku pahaleyeechh bola ta na saab.

Rashmun wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Correction: Tu is an acceptable variation of Tum in colloquial Hindi and Urdu. Interestingly enough Tu is sometimes used when addressing God.

tereku pahaleyeechh bola ta na saab.

Kaiku naraaz hora hai.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Correction: Tu is an acceptable variation of Tum in colloquial Hindi and Urdu. Interestingly enough Tu is sometimes used when addressing God.

tereku pahaleyeechh bola ta na saab.

Kaiku naraaz hora hai.

is this conversation occurring in the fowl language?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:CD: i got that.
but fowl langauge = duckini/cluckini.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:CD: i got that.
but fowl langauge = duckini/cluckini.

Not sure what sadistic pleasure you obtain by insulting the language of others.