The North Face: Northern states pulling away as growth stutters in 'arrogant' SI

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:You are the one who is rubbing the SIs on this board on the wrong side with your posts on Hindi, Dakhin and Andhra Pradesh, etc. I won't blame you alone. This has been the attitude of NIs since independence. If you can't see the heavy handedness and false superiority complex, that doesn't mean you or this NI Sharma fellow should shift the blame to the SIs. If there are sentiments among the SIs (like KV, for example) against such NI behavior, and if you dismiss them in an insensitive way, it is not their fault. It is this behavior that actually fosters the friction between the two regions. It is time that the NIs mended their ways. I also suggest that the nations needs a joint capital - Delhi and a South Indian city.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:"There is no harm in having tough discussions. The writer of the article argues that NI has a lot to offer to SI and I agree."

Then, face the same toughness from others on this board.

"The nation does not need a joint capital since that will give rise to all kinds of problems."

This is typical NI attitude. What problems? Problems for bhaiyyas because they have to go to SI to approach the govt.? Why should a SI woman go to Delhi to get justice and in the process get raped?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:You are the one who is rubbing the SIs on this board on the wrong side with your posts on Hindi, Dakhin and Andhra Pradesh, etc. I won't blame you alone. This has been the attitude of NIs since independence. If you can't see the heavy handedness and false superiority complex, that doesn't mean you or this NI Sharma fellow should shift the blame to the SIs. If there are sentiments among the SIs (like KV, for example) against such NI behavior, and if you dismiss them in an insensitive way, it is not their fault. It is this behavior that actually fosters the friction between the two regions. It is time that the NIs mended their ways. I also suggest that the nations needs a joint capital - Delhi and a South Indian city.

Hellsangel wrote:Dutch is actually German (with minor differences).

Dutch is closely related to German and English^{[n 5]} and is said to be between them.^{[n 6]} Apart from not having undergone the High German consonant shift, Dutch—like English—has mostly abandoned the grammatical case system, is relatively unaffected by the Germanic umlaut, and has levelled much of its morphology.^{[n 7]} Dutch historically has three grammatical genders,^[3] but this distinction has far fewer grammatical consequences than in German.^{[n 8]} Dutch shares with German the use of subject–verb–object word order in main clauses and subject–object–verb in subordinate clauses.^{[n 9]} Dutch vocabulary is mostly Germanic and contains the same Germanic core as German and English, while incorporating more Romance loans than German and fewer than English.^{[n 10]}

Hellsangel wrote:Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language

Dutch is closely related to German and English^{[n 5]} and is said to be between them.^{[n 6]} Apart from not having undergone the High German consonant shift, Dutch—like English—has mostly abandoned the grammatical case system, is relatively unaffected by the Germanic umlaut, and has levelled much of its morphology.^{[n 7]} Dutch historically has three grammatical genders,^[3] but this distinction has far fewer grammatical consequences than in German.^{[n 8]} Dutch shares with German the use of subject–verb–object word order in main clauses and subject–object–verb in subordinate clauses.^{[n 9]} Dutch vocabulary is mostly Germanic and contains the same Germanic core as German and English, while incorporating more Romance loans than German and fewer than English.^{[n 10]}

Rashmun wrote:

Not enough. I gave youtube videos of AP CM Kiran Reddy giving speeches in Hyderabad in Hyderabadi which anyone can see is actually Hindi. You should also give youtube videos to prove your point.

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Not enough. I gave youtube videos of AP CM Kiran Reddy giving speeches in Hyderabad in Hyderabadi which anyone can see is actually Hindi. You should also give youtube videos to prove your point.

I see.

Rashmun wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Not enough. I gave youtube videos of AP CM Kiran Reddy giving speeches in Hyderabad in Hyderabadi which anyone can see is actually Hindi. You should also give youtube videos to prove your point.

I see.

You can't just shoot your mouth off without some evidence to back up your claim.

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Not enough. I gave youtube videos of AP CM Kiran Reddy giving speeches in Hyderabad in Hyderabadi which anyone can see is actually Hindi. You should also give youtube videos to prove your point.

I see.

You can't just shoot your mouth off without some evidence to back up your claim.

Evidence like how TBT = b_A?

Rashmun wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?280709

This is in response to the recent claim on this forum that SI might be better off breaking away from NI since the growth rate in SI is significantly higher.

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?280709

This is in response to the recent claim on this forum that SI might be better off breaking away from NI since the growth rate in SI is significantly higher.

The biggest fallacy in this article is the comparison of just growth rate and not the absolute GDP in growth. If Bihar had a very low economic base to begin with, a higher than South Indian average growth doesn't necessarily prove that its economy is better than the South. Its like saying that a student whose marks went up from 40 to 60 out of 100 at a 50% growth is a better performer than a student whose marks went up from 80 to 85 out of 100 at a 6% growth.

I need to review the economic statistics by state to further comment on this subject.

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Not enough. I gave youtube videos of AP CM Kiran Reddy giving speeches in Hyderabad in Hyderabadi which anyone can see is actually Hindi. You should also give youtube videos to prove your point.

I see.

You can't just shoot your mouth off without some evidence to back up your claim.

Evidence like how TBT = b_A?

panini press wrote:
Have you passed on the handle to TBT now? We had pretty conclusive proof that it was you. I believe you were "caught" red-handed, no less.

Rashmun wrote:Most of the younger generation in India, especially urban India, are people who are educated and well travelled. Jobs require them to settle and travel to various locations across the country. The amount of immigration within some states is so large that you would wonder whether they are native to that region in the first place. A point in case is Bangalore. The number of native Bangaloreans in Bangalore is negligible; it is filled with people from various cities across India. So if you take the growth of Bangalore, who would, you attribute it to? Would you attribute it to the natives of Bangalore or to the immigrants from other states that have engulfed Bangalore? Attributing growth rates to cities does not necessarily implicate that it is because of the native people of that region. It is an attribution to the merger of Indians in that city, so the debate about who is superior is irrelevant in some cases.

http://www.dnaindia.com/blogs/post_north-south-debate-do-we-need-it_1682241

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Most of the younger generation in India, especially urban India, are people who are educated and well travelled. Jobs require them to settle and travel to various locations across the country. The amount of immigration within some states is so large that you would wonder whether they are native to that region in the first place. A point in case is Bangalore. The number of native Bangaloreans in Bangalore is negligible; it is filled with people from various cities across India. So if you take the growth of Bangalore, who would, you attribute it to? Would you attribute it to the natives of Bangalore or to the immigrants from other states that have engulfed Bangalore? Attributing growth rates to cities does not necessarily implicate that it is because of the native people of that region. It is an attribution to the merger of Indians in that city, so the debate about who is superior is irrelevant in some cases.

http://www.dnaindia.com/blogs/post_north-south-debate-do-we-need-it_1682241

Rashmun, you conveniently left out the following paragraph where he does address the economic prosperity of the state (not just a city) countering his own argument. His blog is talking about states helping each other to attain unity within India.

The counter argument is that such phenomenon is only in cities. So be it, does it justify one stating one region is superior to the other? Shouldn’t the idea be more inclusive, i.e learning from other states to improving a specific state? Shouldn’t it be embracing diversity?

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Most of the younger generation in India, especially urban India, are people who are educated and well travelled. Jobs require them to settle and travel to various locations across the country. The amount of immigration within some states is so large that you would wonder whether they are native to that region in the first place. A point in case is Bangalore. The number of native Bangaloreans in Bangalore is negligible; it is filled with people from various cities across India. So if you take the growth of Bangalore, who would, you attribute it to? Would you attribute it to the natives of Bangalore or to the immigrants from other states that have engulfed Bangalore? Attributing growth rates to cities does not necessarily implicate that it is because of the native people of that region. It is an attribution to the merger of Indians in that city, so the debate about who is superior is irrelevant in some cases.

http://www.dnaindia.com/blogs/post_north-south-debate-do-we-need-it_1682241

Rashmun, you conveniently left out the following paragraph where he does address the economic prosperity of the state (not just a city) countering his own argument. His blog is talking about states helping each other to attain unity within India.

The counter argument is that such phenomenon is only in cities. So be it, does it justify one stating one region is superior to the other? Shouldn’t the idea be more inclusive, i.e learning from other states to improving a specific state? Shouldn’t it be embracing diversity?

That is one way of looking at it. I simply wanted to show that NI bring something to the table.

panini press wrote:Here is that useful chart from the article again. I already highlighted the lower-half of the chart on per-capita GDP. Now let us look at the upper half, comparison of GDP numbers.

In 1990-'91, the GDP numbers for AP, Karnataka and Bihar were withn 10-20% of each other. UP had a higher GDP than the other three, ~30% more than AP. By 2009-'10, Bihar's GDP is less than half that of AP. AP has closed the gap with UP in total GDP terms, just shy of it by ~10% now compared to ~30% two decades ago. Now, remember that UP has ~200 million people while AP has ~85 million; yet AP's GDP is within ~10% of UP's GDP.

No matter which side of the picture you pay attention to, this just reinforces the dangerous "falling behind" of the north while the south and west grow.

panini press wrote:Here is that useful chart from the article again. I already highlighted the lower-half of the chart on per-capita GDP. Now let us look at the upper half, comparison of GDP numbers.

In 1990-'91, the GDP numbers for AP, Karnataka and Bihar were withn 10-20% of each other. UP had a higher GDP than the other three, ~30% more than AP. By 2009-'10, Bihar's GDP is less than half that of AP. AP has closed the gap with UP in total GDP terms, just shy of it by ~10% now compared to ~30% two decades ago. Now, remember that UP has ~200 million people while AP has ~85 million; yet AP's GDP is within ~10% of UP's GDP.

No matter which side of the picture you pay attention to, this just reinforces the dangerous "falling behind" of the north while the south and west grow.