Re: JM, do you agree with this?

by Propagandhi711 Fri May 31, 2013 11:27 am

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:repeating the word "groundhogging" endlessly is no logical argument.

look who's talking. motherfucker, that's all you've done in the last 13 yrs - whine and whine like a broken record in a room with a broken clock on the two or three lame points you have

by Jeremiah Mburuburu Fri May 31, 2013 11:37 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:repeating the word "groundhogging" endlessly is no logical argument.

motherfucker...

hahaha. you're beautiful when you're angry.

by Propagandhi711 Fri May 31, 2013 11:49 am

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:repeating the word "groundhogging" endlessly is no logical argument.

motherfucker...
hahaha. you're beautiful when you're angry.

you just like being kicked in the nuts. any attention is better than no attention for you. which is why you're probably walking around this morning toothlessly drooling in happiness since there's attention. will probably tide you over the weekend

by Idéfix Fri May 31, 2013 11:55 am

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:repeating the word "groundhogging" endlessly is no logical argument.

I agree with you. That is why I laid out my logical argument, in addition to correctly identifying your behavior.

When presented with evidence of caste-based behavior on the part of Syrian Christians, you choose to bury yourself in a hole rather than look at the evidence. Groundhogging is an apt name for that behavior.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:oppression is a necessary and sufficient condition for the caste system to exist.

Bad logic again. If oppression is a sufficient condition for the caste system to exist, it follows that the caste system existed in the following cases:

North Korea since 1945
Christian Europe from Roman times through to the 20th century
Europe between 1939 and 1945
Russia for all of its history
China for all of its history
The Muslim world for all of its history

If you truly believe what you spout -- that oppression is a sufficient condition for the caste system to exist -- then you should stop blaming the Hindus for the caste system!

Oppression is not even a necessary condition for caste-based behavior. There are a multitude of caste-based behaviors out there, oppression being but one of them. A person might exhibit delusions of caste-based superiority over his fellows, but he may be completely incapable of oppressing them. That makes him a casteist, but no oppressor. If you have access to a mirror, you might be able to understand what I mean.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in a moment of unintended honesty, you admitted that your claim is not that Syrian Christians oppressed large groups of India's other peoples.

We haven't seen a moment of honesty from you yet on this thread. When are you going to acknowledge the Syrian Christians' practice of untouchability, which is caste-based oppression?

by Jeremiah Mburuburu Fri May 31, 2013 2:58 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:repeating the word "groundhogging" endlessly is no logical argument.
I agree with you. That is why I laid out my logical argument, in addition to correctly identifying your behavior.

you didn't lay out a logical argument; you displayed data from matrimonial web site where syrian christians were seeking syrian christian mates, and had no alternative but to enter their christian denomination in a field intended for caste. that alone shows your dishonesty and malicious intent.

Idéfix wrote:When presented with evidence of caste-based behavior on the part of Syrian Christians, you choose to bury yourself in a hole rather than look at the evidence. Groundhogging is an apt name for that behavior.

your first attempt at "presenting evidence" failed. it was also a dishonest attempt. about evidence, here's what i wrote in an earlier post:

if you think that syrian christians collectively engaged in caste-based behaviour, then show that they oppressed large groups of india's other peoples economically, socially, and sexually, and deprived them of important freedoms, from generation to generation, on the basis of each group's birth within a socio-religious hierarchy, and that their religion approved of such behaviour.

you have not done that, and won't be able to.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:oppression is a necessary and sufficient condition for the caste system to exist.

Idéfix wrote:Bad logic again. If oppression is a sufficient condition for the caste system to exist, it follows that the caste system existed in the following cases:

North Korea since 1945
Christian Europe from Roman times through to the 20th century
Europe between 1939 and 1945
Russia for all of its history
China for all of its history
The Muslim world for all of its history
If you truly believe what you spout -- that oppression is a sufficient condition for the caste system to exist -- then you should stop blaming the Hindus for the caste system!

when all else fails, nitpick! i used "oppression" as an abbreviation for "oppression based on birth within a hierarchy." in the context, it meant what i described in italics above. if north korea's oppression and those of the other countries and regions conform to the definition i wrote above in italics, let me know; i shall stop thinking of the caste system as uniquely hindu. that won't absolve the hindus of setting up that system and perpetuating it. and it won't absolve you of lying to pass the blame off to others.

Idéfix wrote:Oppression is not even a necessary condition for caste-based behavior. There are a multitude of caste-based behaviors out there, oppression being but one of them. A person might exhibit delusions of caste-based superiority over his fellows, but he may be completely incapable of oppressing them. That makes him a casteist, but no oppressor. If you have access to a mirror, you might be able to understand what I mean.

i disagree; no oppression --> no caste system. delusions are in the mind; they are not actions. the caste system took firm root in india because hindus of the higher castes oppressed - enslaved, exploited, abused, deprived of various freedoms - people of lower castes, by actions that were legitimized by hinduism, the interpreters of hinduism, and the rulers. it didn't come about because some people were delusional or conceited.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in a moment of unintended honesty, you admitted that your claim is not that Syrian Christians oppressed large groups of India's other peoples.

Idéfix wrote:We haven't seen a moment of honesty from you yet on this thread. When are you going to acknowledge the Syrian Christians' practice of untouchability, which is caste-based oppression?

and we have seen plenty of dishonesty from you.

by Idéfix Fri May 31, 2013 3:08 pm

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:you displayed data from matrimonial web site where syrian christians were seeking syrian christian mates, and had no alternative but to enter their christian denomination in a field intended for caste. that alone shows your dishonesty and malicious intent.

They had several alternatives: not stating their caste, stating "other", not using the website, not looking for a mate from within their caste. They chose to state their caste rather explicitly, and you are offering excuses for them just because they are from your caste.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:you have not done that, and won't be able to.

I have shown plenty of evidence of Syrian Christians practicing untouchability. That is caste-based oppression.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:when all else fails, nitpick!

Yes, we all know about that tactic of yours!

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:i used "oppression" as an abbreviation for "oppression based on birth within a hierarchy." in the context, it meant what i described in italics above. if north korea's oppression and those of the other countries and regions conform to the definition i wrote above in italics, let me know; i shall stop thinking of the caste system as uniquely hindu.

Oppression in Christian Europe in the Middle Ages, and much of the Muslim world of minority denominations and non-Muslim dhimmis was based on birth within a hierarchy. Oppression of serfs in Russian society was based on birth within a hierarchy. So, are you now going to stop thinking of the caste system as uniquely Hindu?

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:that won't absolve the hindus of setting up that system and perpetuating it.

I completely agree with you about this. There is no absolving the Hindus of this. There is also no absolving the Syrian Christians of their caste-based practices, including oppressive practices like untouchability.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:and it won't absolve you of lying to pass the blame off to others.

Everyone can see who is lying and dissembling on this thread. The fact that you have not yet acknowledged the Syrian Christian practice of untouchability speaks for itself!

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:delusions are in the mind; they are not actions.

Delusions of one's superiority based on the caste one is born into can lead to actions. Look at your posts on this thread if you need an example. Those actions are examples of caste-based behavior alright.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:the caste system took firm root in india because hindus of the higher castes oppressed - enslaved, exploited, abused, deprived of various freedoms - people of lower castes, by actions that were legitimized by hinduism, the interpreters of hinduism, and the rulers.

I agree. Evidence shows that Syrian Christians participated in that oppression for at least 1,500 years, perhaps longer.

by Jeremiah Mburuburu Fri May 31, 2013 3:10 pm

correction: you displayed data from a matrimonial web site...

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri May 31, 2013 3:17 pm

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:correction: you displayed data from a matrimonial web site...

What is wrong with that? In fact, it will reflect the true inner feelings of people - bcz birth and death are the ones people practice and even allowed to practice racism.

by goodcitizn Fri May 31, 2013 3:22 pm

Captain Bhankas wrote: one has to marvel at the creatiwiTTy of SCs in coming up with names such as aby, bincy, binu, biss, dinil, ditty, femy, fincy, finny, job(YES!, job!!), koshy, leeba, linzy and suby. they feared they would be shown a red card if they chose more than five alphabets to create a name. despite that fear, look at the variety of the first names!

Just returned from vacationing in Florida to find an itinerant cat in our shed with a litter of 5 kittens. My neighbor's little girl told me I should name them so she could play with them. Thanks to this gem of a post, I've now chosen Bincy, Fincy, Finny, Ditty and Koshy to name these cute, furry darlings.

by Hellsangel Fri May 31, 2013 3:24 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Captain Bhankas wrote: one has to marvel at the creatiwiTTy of SCs in coming up with names such as aby, bincy, binu, biss, dinil, ditty, femy, fincy, finny, job(YES!, job!!), koshy, leeba, linzy and suby. they feared they would be shown a red card if they chose more than five alphabets to create a name. despite that fear, look at the variety of the first names!

Just returned from vacationing in Florida to find an itinerant cat in our shed with a litter of 5 kittens. My neighbor's little girl told me I should name them so she could play with them. Thanks to this gem of a post, I've now chosen Bincy, Fincy, Finny, Ditty and Koshy to name these cute, furry darlings.

Soon the Syrian Kittens will turn into Syrian Cats. Are you adopting them?

by goodcitizn Fri May 31, 2013 3:31 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Captain Bhankas wrote: one has to marvel at the creatiwiTTy of SCs in coming up with names such as aby, bincy, binu, biss, dinil, ditty, femy, fincy, finny, job(YES!, job!!), koshy, leeba, linzy and suby. they feared they would be shown a red card if they chose more than five alphabets to create a name. despite that fear, look at the variety of the first names!

Just returned from vacationing in Florida to find an itinerant cat in our shed with a litter of 5 kittens. My neighbor's little girl told me I should name them so she could play with them. Thanks to this gem of a post, I've now chosen Bincy, Fincy, Finny, Ditty and Koshy to name these cute, furry darlings.

Soon the Syrian Kittens will turn into Syrian Cats. Are you adopting them?

Called the local animal shelter. They are picking them up Sunday. They need shots and such so they are better off over there for eventual adoption.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri May 31, 2013 3:55 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Called the local animal shelter. They are picking them up Sunday. They need shots and such so they are better off over there for eventual adoption.

Always wondered how the mommy cats and Dogs would feel when the tiny ones are taken away. That and nuturing are all done in the name of compassion but really due to human selfishness.

by Rishi Fri May 31, 2013 4:00 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Called the local animal shelter. They are picking them up Sunday. They need shots and such so they are better off over there for eventual adoption.

Always wondered how the mommy cats and Dogs would feel when the tiny ones are taken away. That and nuturing are all done in the name of compassion but really due to human selfishness.

What you say is true.

But what is the alternative?

In 99% the animal shelters, they do not keep a dog or a cat for more than 3 days if nobody wants to adopt them. They put the animals to sleep.

by goodcitizn Fri May 31, 2013 4:14 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Called the local animal shelter. They are picking them up Sunday. They need shots and such so they are better off over there for eventual adoption.

Always wondered how the mommy cats and Dogs would feel when the tiny ones are taken away. That and nuturing are all done in the name of compassion but really due to human selfishness.

The shelter is taking both the mother and the kittens. Once the kittens are 8 weeks old, they'll be ready for adoption. And the mother as well. I just don't care much for cats. The difference is when you get home, the dog comes running over to you wagging its tail as if to say, "How was your day?" The cat, on the other hand, will not only not greet you but also ignore you as an unwanted nuisance.

by bw Fri May 31, 2013 8:20 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
The shelter is taking both the mother and the kittens. Once the kittens are 8 weeks old, they'll be ready for adoption. And the mother as well. I just don't care much for cats. The difference is when you get home, the dog comes running over to you wagging its tail as if to say, "How was your day?" The cat, on the other hand, will not only not greet you but also ignore you as an unwanted nuisance.

JM, do you agree with this? - Page 3 Kitty_10

ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri May 31, 2013 9:48 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
The shelter is taking both the mother and the kittens. Once the kittens are 8 weeks old, they'll be ready for adoption. And the mother as well. I just don't care much for cats. The difference is when you get home, the dog comes running over to you wagging its tail as if to say, "How was your day?" The cat, on the other hand, will not only not greet you but also ignore you as an unwanted nuisance.

No wonder women like cats.... Razz

P.S. in any case, I hate when someone asks me how was your day. I have never seen in India anyone asking hubbies or wives this question. You are lucky if you are not asked to go to the shop and buy some grocery as soon as you arrived from work.

by goodcitizn Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:48 pm

bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

by bw Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:31 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

by pravalika nanda Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:08 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Captain Bhankas wrote: one has to marvel at the creatiwiTTy of SCs in coming up with names such as aby, bincy, binu, biss, dinil, ditty, femy, fincy, finny, job(YES!, job!!), koshy, leeba, linzy and suby. they feared they would be shown a red card if they chose more than five alphabets to create a name. despite that fear, look at the variety of the first names!

Just returned from vacationing in Florida to find an itinerant cat in our shed with a litter of 5 kittens. My neighbor's little girl told me I should name them so she could play with them. Thanks to this gem of a post, I've now chosen Bincy, Fincy, Finny, Ditty and Koshy to name these cute, furry darlings.

** I know a few Syrian Christians, they have Indian names like Priya, Deepa, Santhosh, Anjali. These ridiculous names that you've mentioned probably belong to the very poor who were forced into conversion. I don't believe this story that their roots go back to Syria, cuz I've met actual Syrians (men and women) and they tend to have very big skulls, large oval and square faces, big, coarse bones generally. Indians tend to have finer bone structure and prettier faces.

by Hellsangel Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:23 pm

bw wrote:

http://ask-fisher.com/the-cats-out-of-the-bag-and-the-dog/

53 percent of cat owners identify most with the personality of a Siamese cat, leading active lifestyles and spending most of their time with family and friends.
Foiling the common belief that dog owners lead more active lifestyles, 59 percent identify most with the personality of the English Bulldog, which tends to be more laid back, easy going and prefers to spend most of their time relaxing at home.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:09 pm

bw wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

Please restrict yourself to posts relevant to the thread.... Razz

by bw Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:52 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

Please restrict yourself to posts relevant to the thread....

saamiyar, rishi starts about 5-10 threads a day hoping that at least one of them will result in some meaningless arguments between SUCHers. on a good day, he strikes gold and it will eventually deteriorate into rapid fire exchange of sweet nothings about assorted family members among the various parties.

this thread must be seen as a reasonable success by rishi already and now, it's free for all. pfft!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:19 pm

bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

Please restrict yourself to posts relevant to the thread....

saamiyar, rishi starts about 5-10 threads a day hoping that at least one of them will result in some meaningless arguments between SUCHers. on a good day, he strikes gold and it will eventually deteriorate into rapid fire exchange of sweet nothings about assorted family members among the various parties.

this thread must be seen as a reasonable success by rishi already and now, it's free for all. pfft!

My Dear Tubelite:

This thread is like no other. This is addressed to JM wonly, who is very particular about posting relevant postings wonly.

by garam_kuta Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:30 pm

[quote="Marathadi-Saamiyaar"

My Dear Tubelite:

This thread is like no other. This is addressed to JM wonly, who is very particular about posting relevant postings wonly.[/quote]

ah.ah.haha.. vAzhaithandu pOla udambu alaek...ditchi adi sAmiyArae..pAvam

by goodcitizn Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:17 am

bw wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

Will work on one pronto.

P.S. to Upps: Since when did you become a mouthpiece for oblOng? Razz

to you!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:27 am

goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
bw wrote:ps: missed you on cryptics. will you be posting one soon?

Thanks. Will post the next one if nobody else will.

please do. i don't think anyone else is posting one.

Will work on one pronto.

P.S. to Upps: Since when did you become a mouthpiece for oblOng? to you!

I was hoping Mr. irrelevant to jump in... instead halcy responded seriously killing all the (intended) fun.

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