Is he Indian or an African?

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

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Captain Bhankas wrote:he is an indian all right! the only african to play for india was this guy -

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1682122-icc-champions-trophy-final-2013-england-vs-india-score-recap-and-more

Captain Bhankas wrote:cricket enthusiasts in mumbai always believed that kambil had better talent than SRT. but having come from a poor background (his father watered the wankhede lawns) and nobody helping him digest the success (he later cut ties with his parents), he became wayward and lost the way. that's where SRT's middle-class upbringing and marriage@21 helped him. tasting success at an age when most people can't decide whether to choose math or biology can be devastating if not handled with care.

southindian wrote:All Indians are Africans.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1682122-icc-champions-trophy-final-2013-england-vs-india-score-recap-and-more

you mean: is he indian or kallu? africa is neither a nation and nor are all africans kallus.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:cricket enthusiasts in mumbai always believed that kambil had better talent than SRT. but having come from a poor background (his father watered the wankhede lawns) and nobody helping him digest the success (he later cut ties with his parents), he became wayward and lost the way. that's where SRT's middle-class upbringing and marriage@21 helped him. tasting success at an age when most people can't decide whether to choose math or biology can be devastating if not handled with care.

Kambli has no one but himself to blame or may he was found out. GR Vishwanath came from poor background too but he didn't let fame get better of him

nevada wrote:
The only successful lower caste player I know of whose father also watered the lawns of cricket grounds is Eknath Solkar.

The first undisputably great Indian player, Palwankar Baloo, was a Chamaar, a caste loathed by others as they work with cattle hides. As Guha points out, Baloo learned to work with leather in quite a different way. One contemporary puts it exquisitely: an over from Baloo contained "six deliveries - each a different menace and yet looking as harmless as the morning dew on a grass blade". In spite of his talent, he was obliged to sit apart from his team-mates during the tea interval and drink from a disposable clay vessel while everyone else sipped from porcelain cups.

Rishi wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1682122-icc-champions-trophy-final-2013-england-vs-india-score-recap-and-more

you mean: is he indian or kallu? africa is neither a nation and nor are all africans kallus.

You are right. I wanted to say "kallu".

But there are people here who will jump up and down and call me a racist.

nevada wrote:

But isn't Vishwanath a Brahmin? Kambli is from a lower caste. 
And speaking of early marriage - Kambli got married early too, in 1994 at the age of 22 but that didn't help much. Kambli was bounced out by the West Indians in the 1994-1995 series in India and after that, his career went downhill. Plus his indiscretions and fall out with Azharuddin led to his downfall.
The only successful lower caste player I know of whose father also watered the lawns of cricket grounds is Eknath Solkar.

Rishi wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1682122-icc-champions-trophy-final-2013-england-vs-india-score-recap-and-more

you mean: is he indian or kallu? africa is neither a nation and nor are all africans kallus.

You are right. I wanted to say "kallu".

But there are people here who will jump up and down and call me a racist.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't like the word "kallu" for the same reason i don't like the n-word. it's all in the context. by itself it's just a reference to a hue, but the intent is what makes it objectionable.  many african americans, and probably black people from other countries have figured out that indians use it as an equally derogatory substitute for the n-word and hence find it objectionable.

by contrast the tamil word karuppargaL (literally black people) IMO doesn't have the same sting.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i rarely have the need to refer to someone's race. if i have to refer to a black person i say s/he is black or african american. AFAIK, black though increasingly rare these days in american public discourse, is not unacceptable. for example jon stewart playfully refers to larry wilmore as his "senior black correspondent".  

karuppargaL is formal and only used in written tamil.

Rishi wrote:The guy with a cricket stump in his hand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1682122-icc-champions-trophy-final-2013-england-vs-india-score-recap-and-more

confuzzled dude wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:cricket enthusiasts in mumbai always believed that kambil had better talent than SRT. but having come from a poor background (his father watered the wankhede lawns) and nobody helping him digest the success (he later cut ties with his parents), he became wayward and lost the way. that's where SRT's middle-class upbringing and marriage@21 helped him. tasting success at an age when most people can't decide whether to choose math or biology can be devastating if not handled with care.

Kambli has no one but himself to blame or may he was found out. GR Vishwanath came from poor background too but he didn't let fame get better of him

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't like the word "kallu" for the same reason i don't like the n-word. it's all in the context. by itself it's just a reference to a hue, but the intent is what makes it objectionable.  many african americans, and probably black people from other countries have figured out that indians use it as an equally derogatory substitute for the n-word and hence find it objectionable.

by contrast the tamil word karuppargaL (literally black people) IMO doesn't have the same sting.

Is that what you use, Il Professore, when you refer to African Americans as a race in a private conversation in a public place?