Emergency -- 38 years

by yogi Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:51 am

Our media fiberals have conveniently not mentioned the anniversary of emergency(25th june,1975), one of the darkest chapters in the history of independent india. It is sad to see even 'The Hindu' didn't carry a article on emergency except for a passing reference.

How will the youth of this country know about those black days when the so called fourth estate is in deep slumber when it comes to reporting anything against congress? Leaders like JP Narayan and George Fernandes are for sure going to into oblivion if not they already were.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:27 am

yogi wrote:Our media fiberals have conveniently not mentioned the anniversary of emergency(25th june,1975), one of the darkest chapters in the history of independent india. It is sad to see even 'The Hindu' didn't carry a article on emergency except for a passing reference.

How will the youth of this country know about those black days when the so called fourth estate is in deep slumber when it comes to reporting anything against congress? Leaders like JP Narayan and George Fernandes are for sure going to into oblivion if not they already were.

The heroics of JP, Fernandes, and Swami are not likely to be repeated in the near future.

by truthbetold Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:39 am

Ramnath geonka and arun shourie - they left the editorial page of Indian express blank.

Then there was the cartoon of fakruddin Ali Ahmed in bathtub approving an ordinance.

Emergency United people of all political hues into one big force to resist the police raj.

Sami,

Which swami? What is his story?

by yogi Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:17 am

truthbetold wrote:Ramnath geonka and arun shourie - they left the editorial page of Indian express blank.

Then there was the cartoon of fakruddin Ali Ahmed in bathtub approving an ordinance.

Emergency United people of all political hues into one big force to resist the police raj.

Sami,

Which swami? What is his story?

The standards of indian express have certainly fallen. I've read somewhere that it was IE which took up cudgels against the emergency inspite of many threats. We, the younger generation want to know the horror of those days. I've tried looking up for archives of that years but couldn't find any. The same media mainly the news channels have come up with lot of programs remembering our world cup victory. What can we expect from the media which stooped down to the level a tail-wagging to congress.

I think saamiyar is talking about subramanian swamy, founding member of Janata party.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:26 am

yogi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Ramnath geonka and arun shourie - they left the editorial page of Indian express blank.

Then there was the cartoon of fakruddin Ali Ahmed in bathtub approving an ordinance.

Emergency United people of all political hues into one big force to resist the police raj.

Sami,

Which swami? What is his story?

The standards of indian express have certainly fallen. I've read somewhere that it was IE which took up cudgels against the emergency inspite of many threats. We, the younger generation want to know the horror of those days. I've tried looking up for archives of that years but couldn't find any. The same media mainly the news channels have come up with lot of programs remembering our world cup victory. What can we expect from the media which stooped down to the level a tail-wagging to congress.

I think saamiyar is talking about subramanian swamy, founding member of Janata party.

Yes. Subramanian Swami was to be arrested by Indira and he escaped in thin air. Then after a few months he showed up in Parliament in disguise and when the police swung into action, he disappeared yet again. Remember he surfaced in Canada?...only return in 1977.

Indian express was the one of the respected papers who boldly would publish and leave the space blank mentioning it was sensored.

Tughlak was full of historical stories and poetry from Tamil and other literature - appropriately selected to reflect the news of the day and sarcastically criticizing Indira... He followed Emergency media ban in letters but flouted it at will in spirit. It was always hilarious to read Tughlak and everyone knew what and who he was referring to.

Emergency was the one that got me interested in politics at a very young age.

by yogi Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:37 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
yogi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Ramnath geonka and arun shourie - they left the editorial page of Indian express blank.

Then there was the cartoon of fakruddin Ali Ahmed in bathtub approving an ordinance.

Emergency United people of all political hues into one big force to resist the police raj.

Sami,

Which swami? What is his story?

The standards of indian express have certainly fallen. I've read somewhere that it was IE which took up cudgels against the emergency inspite of many threats. We, the younger generation want to know the horror of those days. I've tried looking up for archives of that years but couldn't find any. The same media mainly the news channels have come up with lot of programs remembering our world cup victory. What can we expect from the media which stooped down to the level a tail-wagging to congress.

I think saamiyar is talking about subramanian swamy, founding member of Janata party.

Yes. Subramanian Swami was to be arrested by Indira and he escaped in thin air. Then after a few months he showed up in Parliament in disguise and when the police swung into action, he disappeared yet again. Remember he surfaced in Canada?...only return in 1977.

Indian express was the one of the respected papers who boldly would publish and leave the space blank mentioning it was sensored.

Tughlak was full of historical stories and poetry from Tamil and other literature - appropriately selected to reflect the news of the day and sarcastically criticizing Indira... He followed Emergency media ban in letters but flouted it at will in spirit. It was always hilarious to read Tughlak and everyone knew what and who he was referring to.

Emergency was the one that got me interested in politics at a very young age.

haha, i was born some where in between when our beloved late rajiv gandhi passed away and p.v.narsimha rao started his reforms. All i know about emergency is from the secondary sources mainly social media.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:07 am

yogi wrote:Our media fiberals have conveniently not mentioned the anniversary of emergency(25th june,1975), one of the darkest chapters in the history of independent india. It is sad to see even 'The Hindu' didn't carry a article on emergency except for a passing reference.

How will the youth of this country know about those black days when the so called fourth estate is in deep slumber when it comes to reporting anything against congress? Leaders like JP Narayan and George Fernandes are for sure going to into oblivion if not they already were.

May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with but also to have a better grip on the issues during that period. All others on this board might be giving you the hearsay , you know what they have heard from their father or uncle.

by goodcitizn Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:42 am

confuzzled dude wrote:May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with but also to have a better grip on the issues during that period. All others on this board might be giving you the hearsay , you know what they have heard from their father or uncle.

I have no clue about the Emergency period since I had left India by then.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:18 pm

too young to remember. i only remember snippets of conversations between adults. most of what i know is through rushdie's midnight's children.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:14 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:too young to remember. i only remember snippets of conversations between adults. most of what i know is through rushdie's midnight's children.

I had an uncle who was thrown in jail by Indira and half the family members (mostly women) were shunning him while the other half were proud of his principles. He was lodged in jail with DMK fellas, Jan Sanghis, RSS, Cong(O) folks. The DMK was working in tandem with the RSS (yes you got to believe it) and coordinating efforts to pass on info. My uncle was released and of course he did a Subraminaian Swamy act..when the cops wanted to arrest him. We had to go through several links to exchange messages with him. That is how I know a little bit about the RSS, DMK, etc..

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:50 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with

Rev Jebi Iyer would give only glowing tributes as he would certainly have supported Indiramma. There is no question about it. altho he might have been in dubayiiii or NY.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:57 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:too young to remember. i only remember snippets of conversations between adults. most of what i know is through rushdie's midnight's children.

I had an uncle who was thrown in jail by Indira and half the family members (mostly women) were shunning him while the other half were proud of his principles. He was lodged in jail with DMK fellas, Jan Sanghis, RSS, Cong(O) folks. The DMK was working in tandem with the RSS (yes you got to believe it) and coordinating efforts to pass on info. My uncle was released and of course he did a Subraminaian Swamy act..when the cops wanted to arrest him. We had to go through several links to exchange messages with him. That is how I know a little bit about the RSS, DMK, etc..

Now I see how your love for Congress stems from :)I vaguely remember people discussing a forcible vasectomy incident, performed on a Middle aged Brahmin man who already had like 6 kids.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:59 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with

Rev Jebi Iyer would give only glowing tributes as he would certainly have supported Indiramma. There is no question about it. altho he might have been in dubayiiii or NY.

i'd love to hear his opinions since i am sure he lived through that era as an adult, but my recollection is that he disliked mrs.gandhi and her undemocratic and autocratic ways.

by truthbetold Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:01 pm

Sami,
I am not sure indiramma would have received glowing tribute from jebe.... m.....
Indira is no Sonia. Indira was a Hindu and a ni.

by Guest Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:13 pm

Someone i know, a criminal lawyer, was under 24 hr surveillance, his phone tapped and all during emergency. Reason: he had communist ideologies and was doing cases for high profile naxal leaders like nagabhushan patnaik, tarimela nagi reddy and all. He was doing all the naxalite cases for free.

Indira's rule was pretty bad for india, more so the emergency era.

by Guest Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:34 pm

I grew up listening to stories about Tarimela Nagi Reddy. I believe he died underground during the emergency time due to health reasons. His closest aides were taking him to his native town to do the last rites. The police somehow got a tip off about him. They went with a huge force and rounded up the van. Though they knew that he was dead, they were pissing in the pants to go anywhere near. Not one had the courage. They had to be finally convinced and assured by the people accompanying the dead body.

I never googled abt him till now. He seems like a great person. Here's some info from wiki:

"T.N. Reddy was born in a wealthy family in Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh. He did his schooling from Rishi Valley School India, founded by the philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti.He studied at Loyola College in Madras and at Banaras Hindu University in Varanasi. During his student days he got involved with nationalism and Marxism. His political activities got him jailed in 1940, 1941 and 1946. He revolted against his father who was a Landlord and donated his land of over 1000 acres to landless labourers. His most famous work is India Mortgaged."

by truthbetold Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:08 pm

I searched for books on emergency but could not identify one that is representative. However one can learn by learning about the key individuals involved in the struggle for democracy during the emergency.
Jai prakash narayan
Arun shourie
Ramnath goenka
George fernandes
Rss
Justice tarkunde
civil rights during emergency

by truthbetold Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:13 pm

Andhra pradesh had the distinction of killing more people during emergency than any other state. Jai prakash narayan asked justice turkunde to investigate those facts. If you google turkunde commission you will find the darkest human rights abuses in ap during emergency.

by garam_kuta Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:23 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with

Rev Jebi Iyer would give only glowing tributes as he would certainly have supported Indiramma. There is no question about it. altho he might have been in dubayiiii or NY.

a question for you - i gather that if only that thamizh nAdu politician had not indulged (retrospectively, might have been unwittingly although hard to prove) in his own agenda, none of this and much more, down the line today would have happened. yes or no ?

by truthbetold Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:28 pm

Gk,
Apologies for intruding into a tamilian conversation. But are you asking about swami's role?

by garam_kuta Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:56 pm

truthbetold wrote:Gk,
Apologies for intruding into a tamilian conversation. But are you asking about swami's role?

perhaps way too early but it was Kamaraj, I understand, who essentially enabled IG to become the PM, and became a queen maker as well.

wonder why samiyaar is not posting on this..

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:08 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:too young to remember. i only remember snippets of conversations between adults. most of what i know is through rushdie's midnight's children.

I had an uncle who was thrown in jail by Indira and half the family members (mostly women) were shunning him while the other half were proud of his principles. He was lodged in jail with DMK fellas, Jan Sanghis, RSS, Cong(O) folks. The DMK was working in tandem with the RSS (yes you got to believe it) and coordinating efforts to pass on info. My uncle was released and of course he did a Subraminaian Swamy act..when the cops wanted to arrest him. We had to go through several links to exchange messages with him. That is how I know a little bit about the RSS, DMK, etc..

Now I see how your love for Congress stems from I vaguely remember people discussing a forcible vasectomy incident, performed on a Middle aged Brahmin man who already had like 6 kids.

hahaha...I always considered her selfish and dishonest and mother of modern Indian corruption.

Instead of putting country before her, she put herself and her family before her country. and many more Nehruvian-style blunders.

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:22 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
hahaha...I always considered her selfish and dishonest and mother of modern Indian corruption.

Instead of putting country before her, she put herself and her family before her country. and many more Nehruvian-style blunders.

Most senior leaders of Janata party have done the same. That was the golden chance uproot Congress but they couldn't coexist for more than 2 1/2 years.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

Did he work with Comrade Haider Khan too.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:36 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Gk,
Apologies for intruding into a tamilian conversation. But are you asking about swami's role?
perhaps way too early but it was Kamaraj, I understand, who essentially enabled IG to become the PM, and became a queen maker as well.

wonder why samiyaar is not posting on this..

Kamaraj himself said during his dying days that making Indira the PM was the biggest mistake of his life. But, he did that in 65 with the hope that Indira would be easier to control and the old guard of Sanjiva reddy, Morarji, Nijalingappa, etc.. accepted her as a consensus candidate for the same reason. She had been an IB minister for only a couple of years. They hoped to settle the matter in 67. After all Congress had a monopoly with CPI, Swatantra getting 30 to 50 seats in every elections to become the main "opposition"party. The old guard was interested in holding this monolpoly and not split the congress into two - which it did anyway later.

by yogi Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:17 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
yogi wrote:Our media fiberals have conveniently not mentioned the anniversary of emergency(25th june,1975), one of the darkest chapters in the history of independent india. It is sad to see even 'The Hindu' didn't carry a article on emergency except for a passing reference.

How will the youth of this country know about those black days when the so called fourth estate is in deep slumber when it comes to reporting anything against congress? Leaders like JP Narayan and George Fernandes are for sure going to into oblivion if not they already were.

May be Jebedh(sp?) Mbururu (and GC?) is your best bet to provide you with first hand accounts as he might have been old enough to not only have seen/faced with but also to have a better grip on the issues during that period. All others on this board might be giving you the hearsay , you know what they have heard from their father or uncle.

oh,so jebedh mburu is the grand old man of this forum. would love to hear his experience.

by yogi Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:30 pm

truthbetold wrote:I searched for books on emergency but could not identify one that is representative. However one can learn by learning about the key individuals involved in the struggle for democracy during the emergency.
Jai prakash narayan
Arun shourie
Ramnath goenka
George fernandes
Rss
Justice tarkunde
civil rights during emergency

I would try to get a hand on the books written by these individuals.
I've googled about tarkunde and as it turned out he was the father of civil liberties in india founding people's union for civil liberties.

by Captain Bhankas Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:52 am

yogi wrote:
oh,so jebedh mburu is the grand old man of this forum. would love to hear his experience.

years ago, philip kuruvilla once described his life in NYC in an attempt to put down a few posters here who wondered what is so good about that city. he explained to anybody who cared to listen that he walked to his office which was on the xth avenue because he lived on x+nth avenue where 2 < n < 8. he also informed us that he developed mathematical models for chemical factories sitting in his office and attended musicals on the broadway during his spare time. going overboard, and in one unguarded moment, he let it slip that he had watched amritraj beat borg live in 1974. unguarded because that helped me determine his age. dhan tadannnnnn!

what i am saying to you is this - he is unlikely to have seen india during emergency.

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:37 am

Captain Bhankas wrote:what i am saying to you is this - he is unlikely to have seen india during emergency.

Judging by his knowledge of India and Indians, he is unlikely to have seen it at any point in his life.

by Guest Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:12 am

What's worse about the whole thing, worse than emergency, is that even after ppl voted the janata party with a thumping majority, they didn't last for more than 2 1/2 years. That would've been the golden chance to have obliterated the nehru dynasty, but they didn't utilize it. There were too many internal politics and no unity at all. Shamefully, ppl forget all about the emergency and voted indira back to power. Public memory is so short. That's what emboldens the politicians, i guess.

yadha praja, tadha raja. Can't blame anyone for the state of affairs in india.

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:19 am

nenu wrote:What's worse about the whole thing, worse than emergency, is that even after ppl voted the janata party with a thumping majority, they didn't last for more than 2 1/2 years. That would've been the golden chance to have obliterated the nehru dynasty, but they didn't utilize it. There were too many internal politics and no unity at all. Shamefully, ppl forget all about the emergency and voted indira back to power. Public memory is so short. That's what emboldens the politicians, i guess.

yadha praja, tadha raja. Can't blame anyone for the state of affairs in india.

Yeah, the problem back then was that the Janata Party was not a coherent group bound by ideology or some compelling vision for the country. It was just a rag-tag bunch of self-seeking leaders interested in nothing more than becoming PM. That same situation exists today as well.

by Guest Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:35 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
nenu wrote:What's worse about the whole thing, worse than emergency, is that even after ppl voted the janata party with a thumping majority, they didn't last for more than 2 1/2 years. That would've been the golden chance to have obliterated the nehru dynasty, but they didn't utilize it. There were too many internal politics and no unity at all. Shamefully, ppl forget all about the emergency and voted indira back to power. Public memory is so short. That's what emboldens the politicians, i guess.

yadha praja, tadha raja. Can't blame anyone for the state of affairs in india.

Yeah, the problem back then was that the Janata Party was not a coherent group bound by ideology or some compelling vision for the country. It was just a rag-tag bunch of self-seeking leaders interested in nothing more than becoming PM. That same situation exists today as well.

Ya, ppl don't have a good alternative choice. Even if the opposition is voted to power, it's going to be riddled with internal politics, fights to scale up the power ladder and all and won't last the full five yr term, in all probability. And it will be back to congress again. The story repeats for the nth time.

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:38 am

When a nutjob like Momta begins to imagine that she can cobble together a third front, it's time to seriously think of leaving this third world dump.

by Guest Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:40 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:When a nutjob like Momta begins to imagine that she can cobble together a third front, it's time to seriously think of leaving this third world dump.

I am glad I'm out of it and no regrets to have done so Smile

by Idéfix Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:56 am

TBT and Yogi: the best short account of Emergency that I have read was in the book India after Gandhi by Ramachandra Guha. I was most impressed by his descriptions of how some elements of the press stood up to the dictator.

I was born during the emergency.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:49 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

Upps, communism back in the day was very different from what it is today. Back in the day, it was for educated people of class. It was very prestigious to say you harbor communist ideals and talk about them. There were also many fakes who did the empty talk of course. From what i remember from the 80s, naxalism was pretty glamorous. It was cool to be a naxalite. I even fantasized abt being one Razz

.

All that changed after the Indira era and much more so after the economic liberalization. Thanks to P.V. Narasimha Rao.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:04 am

nenu wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

Upps, communism back in the day was very different from what it is today. Back in the day, it was for educated people of class. It was very prestigious to say you harbor communist ideals and talk about them. There were also many fakes who did the empty talk of course. From what i remember from the 80s, naxalism was pretty glamorous. It was cool to be a naxalite. I even fantasized abt being one .

All that changed after the Indira era and much more so after the economic liberalization. Thanks to P.V. Narasimha Rao.

Actually during the Indira era, there was no hope for the youth. There was a general sense of despair. Jobs were scarce and whatever govt jobs were there, they were bagged by the candidates who had recommendations from politicians and other high profile people. Education and merit had no value. So it was easy for the disgruntled youth to turn to naxalism and anti-establishment communism unlike the youth of today who are motivated to get into IITs and the IT industry. What a change!

This movie and song best describe the mood and despair of the youth during that time (80s). I don't know what the movie is called in Tamil. It was a super hit movie which touched the cord of many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyDl6VU_9T0

by Hellsangel Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:27 am

nenu wrote:
nenu wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

Upps, communism back in the day was very different from what it is today. Back in the day, it was for educated people of class. It was very prestigious to say you harbor communist ideals and talk about them. There were also many fakes who did the empty talk of course. From what i remember from the 80s, naxalism was pretty glamorous. It was cool to be a naxalite. I even fantasized abt being one .

All that changed after the Indira era and much more so after the economic liberalization. Thanks to P.V. Narasimha Rao.

Actually during the Indira era, there was no hope for the youth. There was a general sense of despair. Jobs were scarce and whatever govt jobs were there, they were bagged by the candidates who had recommendations from politicians and other high profile people. Education and merit had no value. So it was easy for the disgruntled youth to turn to naxalism and anti-establishment communism unlike the youth of today who are motivated to get into IITs and the IT industry. What a change!

This movie and song best describe the mood and despair of the youth during that time (80s). I don't know what the movie is called in Tamil. It was a super hit movie which touched the cord of many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyDl6VU_9T0

Varumayin Niram Sivappu.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:36 am

Hellsangel wrote:
nenu wrote:
nenu wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

My dad worked with Nagi reddy... and how come I turned out be a commie hater?

Upps, communism back in the day was very different from what it is today. Back in the day, it was for educated people of class. It was very prestigious to say you harbor communist ideals and talk about them. There were also many fakes who did the empty talk of course. From what i remember from the 80s, naxalism was pretty glamorous. It was cool to be a naxalite. I even fantasized abt being one .

All that changed after the Indira era and much more so after the economic liberalization. Thanks to P.V. Narasimha Rao.

Actually during the Indira era, there was no hope for the youth. There was a general sense of despair. Jobs were scarce and whatever govt jobs were there, they were bagged by the candidates who had recommendations from politicians and other high profile people. Education and merit had no value. So it was easy for the disgruntled youth to turn to naxalism and anti-establishment communism unlike the youth of today who are motivated to get into IITs and the IT industry. What a change!

This movie and song best describe the mood and despair of the youth during that time (80s). I don't know what the movie is called in Tamil. It was a super hit movie which touched the cord of many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyDl6VU_9T0

Varumayin Niram Sivappu.

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:41 am

nenu wrote:

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

in the tamil version, the hero is passionately devoted to bharathiar's poetry which is a recurring theme throughout the movie and in the songs as well. what is that replaced by in the telugu version?

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:45 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
nenu wrote:

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

in the tamil version, the hero is passionately devoted to bharathiar's poetry which is a recurring theme throughout the movie and in the songs as well. what is that replaced by in the telugu version?

Yeah, in telugu it is Sri Sri's poetry. He's a very famous communist/revolutionary writer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Sri_(writer)

by confuzzled dude Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:13 am

nenu wrote:

Actually during the Indira era, there was no hope for the youth. There was a general sense of despair. Jobs were scarce and whatever govt jobs were there, they were bagged by the candidates who had recommendations from politicians and other high profile people. Education and merit had no value. So it was easy for the disgruntled youth to turn to naxalism and anti-establishment communism unlike the youth of today who are motivated to get into IITs and the IT industry. What a change!

This movie and song best describe the mood and despair of the youth during that time (80s). I don't know what the movie is called in Tamil. It was a super hit movie which touched the cord of many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyDl6VU_9T0

It's always Govt's fault eh! The fact that India was a young country has no bearing, sudden explosion of college graduates has got nothing to do with it, and the fact that young folks weren't very entrepreneurial, were only looking for government jobs was in fact a minor inconvenience. If India didn't go bankrupt under VP Singh/Chandrasekhar, PVN might never have opened up for foreign companies to invest.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:15 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
nenu wrote:

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

in the tamil version, the hero is passionately devoted to bharathiar's poetry which is a recurring theme throughout the movie and in the songs as well. what is that replaced by in the telugu version?

Was Kamal reciting them in Hindi or Tamil, I reckon in Hindi as the movie is based in Delhi Smile

by Hellsangel Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:16 am

confuzzled dude wrote:

It's always Govt's fault eh! The fact that India was a young country has no bearing, sudden explosion of college graduates has got nothing to do with it, and the fact that young folks weren't very entrepreneurial, were only looking for government jobs was in fact a minor inconvenience. If India didn't go bankrupt under VP Singh/Chandrasekhar, PVN might never have opened up for foreign companies to invest.

What is this swing to the Right, CD?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:18 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
nenu wrote:

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

in the tamil version, the hero is passionately devoted to bharathiar's poetry which is a recurring theme throughout the movie and in the songs as well. what is that replaced by in the telugu version?

Was Kamal reciting them in Hindi or Tamil, I reckon in Hindi as the movie is based in Delhi

the movie is entirely in tamil.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:20 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
nenu wrote:

oh ok. Thanks. It's called Akali Rajyam (hungry country/kingdom) in telugu.

in the tamil version, the hero is passionately devoted to bharathiar's poetry which is a recurring theme throughout the movie and in the songs as well. what is that replaced by in the telugu version?

Was Kamal reciting them in Hindi or Tamil, I reckon in Hindi as the movie is based in Delhi

the movie is entirely in tamil.

I was just kidding, this was later made in Hinid as well, Zara Si Zindagi, Anita Raj played Sridevi's role.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:37 am

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:

It's always Govt's fault eh! The fact that India was a young country has no bearing, sudden explosion of college graduates has got nothing to do with it, and the fact that young folks weren't very entrepreneurial, were only looking for government jobs was in fact a minor inconvenience. If India didn't go bankrupt under VP Singh/Chandrasekhar, PVN might never have opened up for foreign companies to invest.

What is this swing to the Right, CD?

Riding a bicycle with white shirt tucked into safron chaadi doesn't make one entrepreneurial, just saying.

by Hellsangel Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:42 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:

It's always Govt's fault eh! The fact that India was a young country has no bearing, sudden explosion of college graduates has got nothing to do with it, and the fact that young folks weren't very entrepreneurial, were only looking for government jobs was in fact a minor inconvenience. If India didn't go bankrupt under VP Singh/Chandrasekhar, PVN might never have opened up for foreign companies to invest.

What is this swing to the Right, CD?

Riding a bicycle with white shirt tucked into safron chaadi doesn't make one entrepreneurial, just saying.

It doesn't swing one to the Right, either. Where did the bicycle come into the picture from? Was that one of the RSS backed party's symbol?

by Propagandhi711 Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:50 am

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:

It's always Govt's fault eh! The fact that India was a young country has no bearing, sudden explosion of college graduates has got nothing to do with it, and the fact that young folks weren't very entrepreneurial, were only looking for government jobs was in fact a minor inconvenience. If India didn't go bankrupt under VP Singh/Chandrasekhar, PVN might never have opened up for foreign companies to invest.

What is this swing to the Right, CD?

Riding a bicycle with white shirt tucked into safron chaadi doesn't make one entrepreneurial, just saying.

It doesn't swing one to the Right, either. Where did the bicycle come into the picture from? Was that one of the RSS backed party's symbol?

our homegrown lefties are a funny lot. they want govt to take care of their favorite constituency in the west (& east) and bend over backwards for them, but will prescribe conservative, small govt values for the other guys. vitness the old coastal libby's outrage at NSA's supposed trampling of first amendment rights while he was freely and eloquently prescribing taking away the 2nd for the majority of those that dont vote for his party. all in the same breadth

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:54 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:vitness the old coastal libby's outrage at NSA's supposed trampling of first amendment rights while he was freely and eloquently prescribing taking away the 2nd for the majority of those that dont vote for his party. all in the same breadth

i am still waiting for the well-regulated militia to make an appearance.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:56 am

i wish they'd take away this guy's right to bare arms:

Emergency -- 38 years Fat-man-little-gun-500x375

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