Non-Telengana ppl - Go back: "Father of Telengana"

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

..In a statement that could have violent repercussions, Telangana Rashtra Samithi leader K Chandrasekhara Rao said state government employees from Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra who are working in Telangana should go back to their respective regions.

Shiv Sena wants all to get out - mainly Biharis

Kashmiris want all hindus to get out

Andhraiites want telenganites  to get out

UPites want all non-hindians to get out

Naarrthies want Southies to get out

....and people are whining that Tamilians and Madrasis are close-minded fanatics????

really ???

P.S. KCR knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....

kinnera wrote:KCR and his goons have been collecting 'protection money' in huge amounts from seemandhra businesses, iit and other coaching centers and colleges, film personlities and all. Recently, the news came out that Mahesh babu was forced to shell out 40 lakhs as protection money to KCR's nephew, Harish Rao (on KCR's behalf) at Vijaya Shanti's residence. Vijaya shanti is the one who negotiated the deal and arranged for the transaction.
Imagine how the situation will be when hyderabad will be in their hands.

PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

kinnera wrote:KCR and his goons have been collecting 'protection money' in huge amounts from seemandhra businesses, iit and other coaching centers and colleges, film personlities and all. Recently, the news came out that Mahesh babu was forced to shell out 40 lakhs as protection money to KCR's nephew, Harish Rao (on KCR's behalf) at Vijaya Shanti's residence. Vijaya shanti is the one who negotiated the deal and arranged for the transaction.
Imagine how the situation will be when hyderabad will be in their hands.

PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

kinnera wrote:KCR and his goons have been collecting 'protection money' in huge amounts from seemandhra businesses, iit and other coaching centers and colleges, film personlities and all. Recently, the news came out that Mahesh babu was forced to shell out 40 lakhs as protection money to KCR's nephew, Harish Rao (on KCR's behalf) at Vijaya Shanti's residence. Vijaya shanti is the one who negotiated the deal and arranged for the transaction.
Imagine how the situation will be when hyderabad will be in their hands.

PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

 Aandhrawaalon bhaago!

Idéfix wrote:
KCR is is dangerous because his low-to-middling intelligence is matched with a high willingness to incite violence. But you are not reading his statement correctly. He is not talking about all "non-Telangana people" in Telangana. He is talking specifically about jobs in the Telangana state government. When the two governments are separated after the bill is passed through parliament, each state government employee will be assigned either to Telangana or to Seemandhra. He is saying that people originally from Seemandhra should be assigned to the Seemandhra state government. That is a bad move for Telangana; every employee should be allowed to choose whether to serve the Telangana state goverment or the Seemandhra state government.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:
KCR is is dangerous because his low-to-middling intelligence is matched with a high willingness to incite violence. But you are not reading his statement correctly. He is not talking about all "non-Telangana people" in Telangana. He is talking specifically about jobs in the Telangana state government. When the two governments are separated after the bill is passed through parliament, each state government employee will be assigned either to Telangana or to Seemandhra. He is saying that people originally from Seemandhra should be assigned to the Seemandhra state government. That is a bad move for Telangana; every employee should be allowed to choose whether to serve the Telangana state goverment or the Seemandhra state government.

Ok....reality lesson:

KCR will want the pvt sector to stay - bcz they are the ones who can be forced to pay protection money. Done deal. close closed.

Govt agencies cant/dont pay protection money, but that is a bigger cash cow. To collect big money from ppl who want jobs. KCR and his conies are the ones will be employment agents for all Govt jobs, and hence he needs those jobes.. How to get them ? Drive all non-telenganas OUT AND threaten telengana guys to pay bribes...to keep their jobs.

P.S. I would like to thank MK and JJ for imparting this valuable knowledge and life lesson to me.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:
KCR is is dangerous because his low-to-middling intelligence is matched with a high willingness to incite violence. But you are not reading his statement correctly. He is not talking about all "non-Telangana people" in Telangana. He is talking specifically about jobs in the Telangana state government. When the two governments are separated after the bill is passed through parliament, each state government employee will be assigned either to Telangana or to Seemandhra. He is saying that people originally from Seemandhra should be assigned to the Seemandhra state government. That is a bad move for Telangana; every employee should be allowed to choose whether to serve the Telangana state goverment or the Seemandhra state government.

Ok....reality lesson:

KCR will want the pvt sector to stay - bcz they are the ones who can be forced to pay protection money. Done deal. close closed.

Govt agencies cant/dont pay protection money, but that is a bigger cash cow. To collect big money from ppl who want jobs. KCR and his conies are the ones will be employment agents for all Govt jobs, and hence he needs those jobes.. How to get them ? Drive all non-telenganas OUT AND threaten telengana guys to pay bribes...to keep their jobs.

P.S. I would like to thank MK and JJ for imparting this valuable knowledge and life lesson to me.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

 first bit of sane commentary from you in 3 days. I agree with them almost entirely

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

Idéfix wrote:

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

Good point; isn't that true of most of the film industry that moved from Madras in NTR's time? They gave away free land and big tax incentives to attract them to move.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

Good point; isn't that true of most of the film industry that moved from Madras in NTR's time? They gave away free land and big tax incentives to attract them to move.

Right, it became prime land decades later. Isn't that what state Govts do? i.e. provide incentives to lure businesses. So they (Govt) weren't exactly doing them a favor. Yes, those guys did hanky-panky to convert those lands onto their names and made huge profits but that is the name of the game in India. I know pro-T gang likes to portray that Hyd is shining since the bigbang but the truth is, cost of living in Hyd used to be less than Vizag till the IT boom.

Idéfix wrote:

Technically, KCR is right. A government order famously called GO 610 had in 1985 identified that 59,000 employees belonging to regions outside Telangana had taken jobs that should have come to people of Telangana. They were to be sent back.

The perception that jobs that should have come to locals have been taken away by 'outsiders' has been one of the main grouses of people who were fighting for a separate Telangana state. They believe as on today at least 1.5 lakh locals have been denied jobs that have been taken away by 'outsiders'.

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goodcitizn wrote:In terms of population strength, Telangana being about 35 million (Hyderabad having 20% of it) and Coastal Andhra & Rayalseema combined having about 50 million, what % of the total AP population will be for bifurcation if there was a referendum?

Idéfix wrote:
That's right. We have played this game long enough for everyone to realize that nobody did anyone any favors with this "developing Hyderabad" business. All people with money and political power looked out first and foremost for their own benefit. So there's no point in arguments like, "we developed it for you, so you shouldn't have it," or "it is ours, you get out of here."  The best thing to do is negotiate interim revenue sharing and move forward. The two states can gain a lot more to gain from cooperation than from fighting zero-sum games over compensations and trying to make people move against their will.

Idéfix wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:In terms of population strength, Telangana being about 35 million (Hyderabad having 20% of it) and Coastal Andhra & Rayalseema combined having about 50 million, what % of the total AP population will be for bifurcation if there was a referendum?

In the overall state, the majority will be opposed to bifurcation. In Telangana, the overwhelming majority will be for bifurcation, and against on the other side.

Idéfix wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

Good point; isn't that true of most of the film industry that moved from Madras in NTR's time? They gave away free land and big tax incentives to attract them to move.

Right, it became prime land decades later. Isn't that what state Govts do? i.e. provide incentives to lure businesses. So they (Govt) weren't exactly doing them a favor. Yes, those guys did hanky-panky to convert those lands onto their names and made huge profits but that is the name of the game in India. I know pro-T gang likes to portray that Hyd is shining since the bigbang but the truth is, cost of living in Hyd used to be less than Vizag till the IT boom.

That's right. We have played this game long enough for everyone to realize that nobody did anyone any favors with this "developing Hyderabad" business. All people with money and political power looked out first and foremost for their own benefit. So there's no point in arguments like, "we developed it for you, so you shouldn't have it," or "it is ours, you get out of here."  The best thing to do is negotiate interim revenue sharing and move forward. The two states can gain a lot more to gain from cooperation than from fighting zero-sum games over compensations and trying to make people move against their will.

Propagandhi711 wrote:what claim does Tstate have on hyd? it just happened to be part of the region due to nizam's conquest, what claim do ppl that are now part of the region have? they paid taxes? if so, the entrepreneurs from coastal areas have equal claim coz they've created jobs and paid large amount of taxes there..

Idéfix wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:what claim does Tstate have on hyd? it just happened to be part of the region due to nizam's conquest, what claim do ppl that are now part of the region have? they paid taxes? if so, the entrepreneurs from coastal areas have equal claim coz they've created jobs and paid large amount of taxes there..

It is quite simple really. Look at a map of Hyderabad, and see how far from coastal Andhra's borders it is. 

Hyderabad wasn't built in just the last 50 years. It was built in the last 400 years, and for all of that time, taxes from Telangana funded the city. Much of the publicly-funded infrastructure of Hyderabad -- railway lines, drinking water reservoirs, sewerage system, government buildings like Assembly, Raj Bhavan, High Court, Secretariat, etc. -- was built before Andhra Pradesh became a state. It was built using a small portion of the money that was looted from famine-stricken subsistence farmers. The people of Telangana, descended from those villagers, have a strong claim to Hyderabad. 

I agree with you that the coastal folks who invested in Hyderabad, created jobs, paid taxes, etc. have a claim on it. Their property rights should be protected, and they have a right to continue with Hyderabad as their home.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:what claim does Tstate have on hyd? it just happened to be part of the region due to nizam's conquest, what claim do ppl that are now part of the region have? they paid taxes? if so, the entrepreneurs from coastal areas have equal claim coz they've created jobs and paid large amount of taxes there..

It is quite simple really. Look at a map of Hyderabad, and see how far from coastal Andhra's borders it is. 

Hyderabad wasn't built in just the last 50 years. It was built in the last 400 years, and for all of that time, taxes from Telangana funded the city. Much of the publicly-funded infrastructure of Hyderabad -- railway lines, drinking water reservoirs, sewerage system, government buildings like Assembly, Raj Bhavan, High Court, Secretariat, etc. -- was built before Andhra Pradesh became a state. It was built using a small portion of the money that was looted from famine-stricken subsistence farmers. The people of Telangana, descended from those villagers, have a strong claim to Hyderabad. 

I agree with you that the coastal folks who invested in Hyderabad, created jobs, paid taxes, etc. have a claim on it. Their property rights should be protected, and they have a right to continue with Hyderabad as their home.

How many jobs were created by the THINGS mentioned above. How much of an effort would it take to build those structures. Now compare this with the industrial belt, Sanathnagar to Medak, and the jobs created. We're not even discussing private investments. If T & SA were separate states from get go it is reasonable to assume that at least 25-30% of those would have been established in SA. How long do you think it will take for SA to get there? I didn't even include IT sector.

Below link provides a list of industries in hyderabad state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_State#Industries_in_Hyderabad_under_the_Nizams

Industries in pre-Independence Hyderabad

[th]Company[/th][th]Year[/th]

Singareni Collieries	1921
Nizam Sugar Factory	1937
Allwyn Metal Works	1942
Praga Tools	1943
Sirsilk	1946
Hyderabad Asbestos	1947
Karkhana Zinda Tilismat	1920
Charminar Cigarette	1925
Vazir Sultan Tobacco Company	1930
Azam Jahi Mills Warangal	1934

Idéfix wrote:I agree with your argument. The Nizam didn't really develop Telangana industrially, and whatever little he did, he did it in his city. For most of AP's history, the top dog was from Seemandhra, and they decided to invest in those industries near Hyderabad. They didn't do so out of altruism though, so I don't quite understand the implications for the here and now. As I see it, the only good way forward now is to deescalate tensions, and move forward with interim revenue sharing and joint capital.

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

truthbetold wrote:

smArtha wrote:

kinnera wrote:
PS: Mahesh babu and his dad have a studio, Padmalaya, in hyd. So does Nagarjuna (annapurna studios). The guys have invested heavily in hyd and nowhere to go now.

Really!! :-). Padmalaya and Annapurna studios are not investments. Their fathers got acres of, now prime, land for long lease which was not supposed to be used for anything other than 'telugu movie shootings'. Both Nagarjuna and Krishna/Mahesh had successfully converted part or all of studio assets on to their own names by manipulating lease papers with the help of the state congress leaders.

Smartha,
Is this based on rumors on the street? Or do you have any direct information. I understand your general allegations.
What I know is this. Akkineni nageswara rao is in hyd for very long time and was very helpful to sustain movie industry in hyd before ntr shifted the industry in 1980s. Annapurna studios land was allocated long time ago. A second allotment was also before it boom. That means suburban land was valuable but not the gold it turned out to be later in 2000.
Padmalaya land was little more controversial from the beginning but it wad also smaller in size. It was a reward to Krishna for his pro Congress work. He used it to build a major studio.
My point is while some advantage is gained from the alloyed lands, they were not instant goldmines of recent era. The land was also used mostly for the allocated purpose.