my beshtest hindi song so far

by Guest Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:02 pm

ya ok, u can argue it being part urdu too....

... i watched it today and wondered again if i will ever grow out of it.

by nevada Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:17 pm

I used to love this song. I eventually grew out of it. This movie was released just a few months after I had visited Ooty and reminded me of the beautiful scenery. If someone could work some magic and make Sharukh Khan disappear from the scene or replace his face with someone else's then the song would be even better.

by Guest Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:09 pm

nevada wrote:I used to love this song. I eventually grew out of it. This movie was released just a few months after I had visited Ooty and reminded me of the beautiful scenery. If someone could work some magic and make Sharukh Khan disappear from the scene or replace his face with someone else's then the song would be even better.

for me, SRK's energy is a BIG part of the song. I don't think if it would be the same for me w/o him in it.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:31 pm

Vb,
Agree with you totally. Srk did it. Ar rahman, lyrics and that dancing girl deserve credit too.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:40 pm

i am by no means indiscriminate in my appreciation of Indian film music, but i like the tamil version of this song, for reasons I won't bother explaining here.

by Guest Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:19 pm

omg... no no no ... i STILL love my song, although this came *this* close to killing it for me. I closed it just in time.

by Idéfix Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:ya ok, u can argue it being part urdu too....

... i watched it today and wondered again if i will ever grow out of it.

I remember there was even a line in it that goes, "jiski zubAn urdU ki tarah."

by Jebediah Mburuburu Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:16 am

what does "beshtest" mean? are you trying to be as witty as the two tamilians here - one a woman and the other, probably a man - who say that and expect everyone to burst into laughter? would "worstest" be equally witty?

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:52 am

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:what does "beshtest" mean? are you trying to be as witty as the two tamilians here - one a woman and the other, probably a man - who say that and expect everyone to burst into laughter? would "worstest" be equally witty?

For me it is a naarthie self deprecating kinda joke through which we acknowledge that English is not our first language so we speak it wrong.

Who you calling Tamil women? I Thot Nevada is a guy and max is 100% a guy.

by Jebediah Mburuburu Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:33 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:what does "beshtest" mean? are you trying to be as witty as the two tamilians here - one a woman and the other, probably a man - who say that and expect everyone to burst into laughter? would "worstest" be equally witty?

For me it is a naarthie self deprecating kinda joke through which we acknowledge that English is not our first language so we speak it wrong.

Who you calling Tamil women? I Thot Nevada is a guy and max is 100% a guy.

the two people who use "beshtest" are uppusaamy gowNDer and bw. i don't know why it's a humorous or interesting thing to say. it must be in the same class as boobsy kapasi's

"actually, this reminds me of an old jock. i'll post the jock in the jokes-thread tomorrow." and
"hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"

it must be the water.

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:51 am

water?

by Nila Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:47 pm

My very fav hindi song is

1. Najane mera dil ko kya - ddlj
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:48 pm

Nila wrote:My very fav hindi song is

1. Najane mera dil ko kya - ddlj
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

woh din, not ho din.

lovely songs, both.

by Nila Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:52 pm

yep it is woh din. I got a cool collections...few of my hindi friends requested to share with them.

Sharing songs is not my thing.... Razz

I know, such is exceptional.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:53 pm

Nila wrote:
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

i did not learn indian classical music (ICM) formally, so my appreciation was developed by listening and deliberately training my ear, a continuing exercise i have engaged in nearly all my adult life. i cannot for example identify individual notes, but identify ragas by pattern recognition. early in my quest to learn more about ICM, i developed the habit of remembering ragas, by remembering the cinema songs set in specific ragas. jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

by Nila Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Nila wrote:
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

i did not learn indian classical music (ICM) formally, so my appreciation was developed by listening and deliberately training my ear, a continuing exercise i have engaged in nearly all my adult life. i cannot for example identify individual notes, but identify ragas by pattern recognition. early in my quest to learn more about ICM, i developed the habit of remembering ragas, by remembering the cinema songs set in specific ragas. jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

Next time when I listen to it will certainly observe the shivaranjani. Do you know any songs with "Sangarabaranam" raga? It is my fav raga.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:58 pm

here are a couple more hindi movie songs in shivaranjani:

i think my favorite shivranjani based hindi movie song is mere naina. the mangeshkar woman's voice spoils the second song for me.

by Nila Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Thanks Max, will listen to it later.

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:04 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Nila wrote:
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

i did not learn indian classical music (ICM) formally, so my appreciation was developed by listening and deliberately training my ear, a continuing exercise i have engaged in nearly all my adult life. i cannot for example identify individual notes, but identify ragas by pattern recognition. early in my quest to learn more about ICM, i developed the habit of remembering ragas, by remembering the cinema songs set in specific ragas. jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

oh wow you listen to hindi songs. that's sexy!

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:04 pm

sankarabharanam is the basic western scale. you are likely to find plenty of examples. the problem is unless it is classically based it is difficult to identify it as pure shankarabharanam. i'll try to find a couple of good examples.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:08 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Nila wrote:
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

i did not learn indian classical music (ICM) formally, so my appreciation was developed by listening and deliberately training my ear, a continuing exercise i have engaged in nearly all my adult life. i cannot for example identify individual notes, but identify ragas by pattern recognition. early in my quest to learn more about ICM, i developed the habit of remembering ragas, by remembering the cinema songs set in specific ragas. jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

oh wow you listen to hindi songs. that's sexy!

i listen to all kinds of music. indian cinema music (tamil and hindi) is firmly rooted in ICM. i use them as tools in my quest to a deeper understanding of ICM.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:15 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:sankarabharanam is the basic western scale. you are likely to find plenty of examples. the problem is unless it is classically based it is difficult to identify it as pure shankarabharanam. i'll try to find a couple of good examples.

stripped of the gamakams (the little vibratos the decorate carnatic music), this doesn't much sound like shankarabharanam, but it is definitely based on that scale.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:22 pm

here is a better representative of shankarabharanam:

i like this somewhat unusual one too:

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:33 pm

i see mustache in the 3 videos above, safe not to open, i guess.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:33 pm

Nila wrote:My very fav hindi song is

1. Najane mera dil ko kya - ddlj
2. Jaane Kahan Gaye Ho Din - Mera Naam joker

#2 is my all time favorite(stest).

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:39 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:i see mustache in the 3 videos above, safe not to open, i guess.

no idea. she asked me for representative examples of songs set in certain ragas. i don't have any great interest in any of these movies themselves outside of the music.

music in india cinema is very interesting. however, i share my dislike of nearly all indian cinema with bw.

moustachioed men running after davaNied women are as garish as sequined lehnga clad nauch girls.

by Guest Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:42 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:i see mustache in the 3 videos above, safe not to open, i guess.

no idea. she asked me for representative examples of songs set in certain ragas. i don't have any great interest in any of these movies themselves outside of the music.

music in india cinema is very interesting. however, i share my dislike of nearly all indian cinema with bw.

i meant that they looked like tamil songs, which i don't understand. i like all cinema. any genre, any language, bring it on, except the ones that have violence w/no reason.

by bw Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:02 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here are a couple more hindi movie songs in shivaranjani:

i think my favorite shivranjani based hindi movie song is mere naina. the mangeshkar woman's voice spoils the second song for me.

ugh! keech keech assault.

by pravalika nanda Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:54 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:ya ok, u can argue it being part urdu too....

... i watched it today and wondered again if i will ever grow out of it.

**hmm, I don't like the hindi or tamizh versions of the song, too much clanging and banging. but I liked the movie, the better song in this movie is "ae ajnabi."

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:06 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote: jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

That brings to mind one of my favorites:

by bw Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:21 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:ya ok, u can argue it being part urdu too....

... i watched it today and wondered again if i will ever grow out of it.

**hmm, I don't like the hindi or tamizh versions of the song, too much clanging and banging. but I liked the movie, the better song in this movie is "ae ajnabi."

can't stand the sight of SRK - as for the tamil version, i can't imagine anything more incongruous.

by pravalika nanda Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:28 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote: jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

That brings to mind one of my favorites:

wow, nice.

by bw Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:32 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote: jaane kahan is an early example of this sort of exercise; it is set in raga shivaranjani.

That brings to mind one of my favorites:

*ingratiation detected*

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:38 am

bw wrote:*ingratiation detected*

No prizes for detection here. You know me - forever ingratiating to one group or the other.

by bw Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:43 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
bw wrote:*ingratiation detected*

No prizes for detection here. You know me - forever ingratiating to one group or the other.

you have usurped dosai and sambar from the tamilians and granted them to assorted states. you have also stuffed idlis with very bad things. it's gonna be a long journey for you.

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:02 am

bw wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
bw wrote:*ingratiation detected*

No prizes for detection here. You know me - forever ingratiating to one group or the other.

you have usurped dosai and sambar from the tamilians and granted them to assorted states. you have also stuffed idlis with very bad things. it's gonna be a long journey for you.

Haha..c'mon, surely, for the refined connoisseurs of the arts that y'all are, Carnatic music trumps all things gastronomic. And Maharajapuram Santhanam trumps all other singers. Algebraically, shouldn't that one youtube video* trump over all my past transgressions? Wipe the slate clean and leave me with some credits?? Why are you still holding these petty grudges??

*If I could find a video of Maharajapuram Santhanam singing the Shivaranjani AND doing BN, I would have posted it, but much as I looked, I couldn't find it.

by Kris Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:32 am

*If I could find a video of Maharajapuram Santhanam singing the Shivaranjani AND doing BN, I would have posted it, but much as I looked, I couldn't find it. [/quote]

>>>>That would be close, but still no cigar. We need to also have him whip up do-sais and slurp sambar simultaneously. Parallel processors rule!

by Idéfix Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:52 am

Haha, this was a funny thread!

by Guest Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:48 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:ya ok, u can argue it being part urdu too....

... i watched it today and wondered again if i will ever grow out of it.

**hmm, I don't like the hindi or tamizh versions of the song, too much clanging and banging. but I liked the movie, the better song in this movie is "ae ajnabi."

I liked pretty much all the songs in this movie. Dil se re and jiya jale being others. But I like watching this song every once in a while. Like the whole composition of it, including choreography.

by Jebediah Mburuburu Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:12 am

so much idiocy, so little time!

by southindian Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:37 am

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:so much idiocy, so little time!

Really? For someone who religiously follows Hindian threads you seem to have a lot of time breathing and reading Hindian posts.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:49 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:And Maharajapuram Santhanam trumps all other singers.

not really. he is known for certain things, impeccable tamil diction and adherence to shruthi, but he never had much creativity. for that you have to listen to someone else who also learned from his father maharajapuram vishwanatha iyer (MVI), i.e. semmangudi srinivasa iyer (SSI). SSI is considered the true artistic descendant of MVI. of his own generation, any number of other artistes were also more creative than him -- nedunuri krishnamurthy, t.n.seshagopalan etc.

santhanam certainly made pretty music and recorded a lot of music.

by Nila Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:14 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here is a better representative of shankarabharanam:

i like this somewhat unusual one too:

Thanks Max, I loved the first one...never heard that song before.

by Nila Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:15 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here are a couple more hindi movie songs in shivaranjani:

i think my favorite shivranjani based hindi movie song is mere naina. the mangeshkar woman's voice spoils the second song for me.

Mere naina is good and you are right about the spoiler in the second song.

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