History of Chennai...:P

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:11 pm

...Chennai, originally known as "Madraspatnam" was located in the province of Tondaimandalam, an area lying between Pennar river of Nellore and the Pennar river of Cuddalore. The capital of the province was Kancheepuram. Tondaimandalam was ruled in the 2nd century by Tondaiman Ilam Tiraiyan, who was a representative of the Chola family at Kanchipuram. It is believed that Ilam Tiraiyan must have subdued the Kurumbas, the original inhabitants of the region and established his rule over Tondaimandalam. The modern city of "Chennai" arose from the British settlement of Fort St. George and its subsequent expansion through merging numerous native villages and European settlements around Fort St. George into the city of Madras. While most of the original city of Madras was built and settled by Europeans, the surrounding area which was later incorporated included the native temples of Thiruvanmiyur, Thiruvotriyur, Thiruvallikeni (Triplicane), Thirumayilai (Mylapore) which have existed for more than 1000 years. Thiruvanmiyur, Thiruvotriyur and Thirumyilai are mentioned in the Thevarams of the Moovar (of the Nayanmars) while Thiruvallikeni in the Nalayira Divya Prabhandhams (of the Alwars)

Right there..the whole of Andhra belongs to Tamil Naadu.

by Guest Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:15 pm

I thought it was originally called 'Chennapatnam' (that's its name in telugu, afaik). Isn't 'Madras' the name given by the british?

by Kayalvizhi Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:10 pm

http://www.tamiltribune.com/97/1102.html
Chennai and Madras: What is in a Name? (by Inia Pandian), TAMIL TRIBUNE, November 1997 (7 KB) (tn)
Origin of the names Chennai and Madras (capital of Tamil Nadu State) is discussed.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:37 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

...Chennai, originally known as "Madraspatnam" was located in the province of Tondaimandalam, an area lying between Pennar river of Nellore and the Pennar river of Cuddalore. The capital of the province was Kancheepuram. Tondaimandalam was ruled in the 2nd century by Tondaiman Ilam Tiraiyan, who was a representative of the Chola family at Kanchipuram. It is believed that Ilam Tiraiyan must have subdued the Kurumbas, the original inhabitants of the region and established his rule over Tondaimandalam. The modern city of "Chennai" arose from the British settlement of Fort St. George and its subsequent expansion through merging numerous native villages and European settlements around Fort St. George into the city of Madras. While most of the original city of Madras was built and settled by Europeans, the surrounding area which was later incorporated included the native temples of Thiruvanmiyur, Thiruvotriyur, Thiruvallikeni (Triplicane), Thirumayilai (Mylapore) which have existed for more than 1000 years. Thiruvanmiyur, Thiruvotriyur and Thirumyilai are mentioned in the Thevarams of the Moovar (of the Nayanmars) while Thiruvallikeni in the Nalayira Divya Prabhandhams (of the Alwars)

Right there..the whole of Andhra belongs to Tamil Naadu.

Nayakas and Mudaliars....... Hmm........

by Kayalvizhi Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:44 pm

If you see "THiru" prefix to a place name, it was either part of TN or large numbers of Tamils lived there.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:47 pm

kinnera wrote:I thought it was originally called 'Chennapatnam' (that's its name in telugu, afaik). Isn't 'Madras' the name given by the british?

There were two little neighborhood "Chieftains" who "ruled" two "villages called Chennapattinam and Madarasapattinam both established around 1680. Remember these were like little Pettais like Choolai Medu, Taramani, MandhaiVeli. But the Native or original historic villages are Triplicane, Mylapore, Thiruvotriyur (which has a temple for Pattinathaar supposedly 1500 yrs old), Thiruvanmiyur etc..that are at least a 1000 to 2000 yrs old. Thiruvalluvar supposedly lived in Mylapore 2000 yrs ago.

So...Gults might have been in Madras since 1500 AD but that also shows the magnanimity of the Madrasis. When Andhra separated out, there were no riots or killing of Gults in TN be it madras, Coimbatore or Madurai. In fact, the Gults prospered in Madras after 1955. All the movie stars and studios in madras produced gulti movies. The entire Usman Road textile shops - Chennai Silk House, Potheys, Nalli, etc.. are all Gults...so are the jewelers... No riots and chest thumping by Thamizhans like the Telengans are doing towards the Andhra Gults.

One such gult is Karunanidhi - whose ancestors came and settled down in Thiruvarur in the 1750-1800. He is from a caste called Aadi Andhirar - the Early Andhrites. MGR was a Malayalee and JJ is a Kannadiga.

by Idéfix Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:01 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:So...Gults might have been in Madras since 1500 AD but that also shows the magnanimity of the Madrasis.

I know you believe that facts are for farts, but still... the Telugus got there and elsewhere in Tamil Nadu because of conquest by their Vijayanagara empire, not because of the magnanimity of the Tamils.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:30 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:So...Gults might have been in Madras since 1500 AD but that also shows the magnanimity of the Madrasis.
I know you believe that facts are for farts, but still... the Telugus got there and elsewhere in Tamil Nadu because of conquest by their Vijayanagara empire, not because of the magnanimity of the Tamils.

But that empire disappeared soon and there were no riots and no Andhran was threatened or killed even at the height of Andhra separation - unlike the Telengan threat against their Andhran brothers.

But, the point is that Thamizhans were in Madras long long ago very long ago well before the Andhrans came around 1500... So Andhran's claim over Madras is futile, fictitious, and first rate fantasy.... Razz

by Kris Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:31 am

kinnera wrote:I thought it was originally called 'Chennapatnam' (that's its name in telugu, afaik). Isn't 'Madras' the name given by the british?

>>>Chennai s after damarla chennappa. There are theories about 'madras', including one about the word coming from Madrassah. The brits took to calling the whole area 'madras'.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:23 am

According to another explanation, the land was given to Francis Day by a man named Madarasen, head of a fishermen's slum, and the town was named after him. This explanation, however, has a hole in it. The 1639 deed of sale clearly states that Venkatappa Naik gave the land to Francis Day. Some conjecture that Medrassapatam and Chennapattnam were nearby areas and that Francis Day acquired the former first from Madarasen and the latter then from Venkatappa Naik; the name Medrassapatam was mentioned in the deed of sales as a reference point. Another point to note is that Madras was widely used in English (among the British at that time and then by everyone who learned the language) and Chennai was used in Tamil. This seems to buttress the South African Tamil gentleman's explanation. Whatever the origins of the names, Madras is now for the history books and Chennai is here to stay.

This is from the leading Tamil Nationalist montly Internet magazine Tamil Tribune. Have you read this month's Tamil Tribune?

http://www.tamiltribune.com/

by Propagandhi711 Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:55 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Have you read this month's Tamil Tribune?

http://www.tamiltribune.com/

not yet. am saving it for saturday afternoons when I can fully devote my time to it.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:00 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:

This is from the leading Tamil Nationalist montly Internet magazine Tamil Tribune. Have you read this month's Tamil Tribune?

http://www.tamiltribune.com/

TGIF

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