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Arangetram function
I attended an Arangetram function last weekend. My wife's colleague has 2 daughters and they were Kuchipudi dancers. This function was like a "coming-of-age" function, where the daughters performed on stage.
Judging by their invitation, I knew it was going to be a formal and fancy gala. They had booked the auditorium at a fancy private school. The chief guests were Padma Shri Shobha Naidu and K.Vishwanath. K Vishwanath was unable to attend due to poor health, but did a video felicitation over "skype". It was projected onto a big screen.
Besides these two, they had other Andhra celebrities, but I don't remember their names. There was another big-shot Mridangam player and Kuchipudi teacher. They flew in at least 15-odd top-class musicians from Andhra. The Agriculture minister was there, as well.
Apparently, the family has a big foundation in India and they do a lot of charity work and have a lot of connections in the Andhra film industry and politics.
The food was to die for. They had some of my andhra favorites, like Guttu wonkai and fried okra.
The girls performed fabulously. Overall, it was quite an amazing evening and cultural experience.
Judging by their invitation, I knew it was going to be a formal and fancy gala. They had booked the auditorium at a fancy private school. The chief guests were Padma Shri Shobha Naidu and K.Vishwanath. K Vishwanath was unable to attend due to poor health, but did a video felicitation over "skype". It was projected onto a big screen.
Besides these two, they had other Andhra celebrities, but I don't remember their names. There was another big-shot Mridangam player and Kuchipudi teacher. They flew in at least 15-odd top-class musicians from Andhra. The Agriculture minister was there, as well.
Apparently, the family has a big foundation in India and they do a lot of charity work and have a lot of connections in the Andhra film industry and politics.
The food was to die for. They had some of my andhra favorites, like Guttu wonkai and fried okra.
The girls performed fabulously. Overall, it was quite an amazing evening and cultural experience.
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I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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You thought wrong.confuzzled dude wrote:I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
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Positive?harharmahadev wrote:You thought wrong.confuzzled dude wrote:I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
FluteHolder- Posts : 2355
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Yeah, it's Rangapravesham in Kuchipudi, and Manchpravesh in Odissi. I don't know the words for Kathak and other classical dance forms -Kathakali, Mohini Attam, Manipuri.
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Did you read what I wrote? Shoba Naidu was the chief guest at the function...Shobha Naidu. She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Should I trust her or someone whose id is confuzzeld dude!confuzzled dude wrote:Positive?harharmahadev wrote:You thought wrong.confuzzled dude wrote:I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
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Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
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So.. She did not prepare the invitation, did she?harharmahadev wrote:Did you read what I wrote? Shoba Naidu was the chief guest at the function...Shobha Naidu. She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Should I trust her or someone whose id is confuzzeld dude!confuzzled dude wrote:Positive?harharmahadev wrote:You thought wrong.confuzzled dude wrote:I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
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No....but if it was a problem, I'm sure she would have said something.confuzzled dude wrote:So.. She did not prepare the invitation, did she?harharmahadev wrote:Did you read what I wrote? Shoba Naidu was the chief guest at the function...Shobha Naidu. She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Should I trust her or someone whose id is confuzzeld dude!confuzzled dude wrote:Positive?harharmahadev wrote:You thought wrong.confuzzled dude wrote:I thought the correct term for Kuchipudi debut is Rangapravesam not Arangetram.
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arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
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Nobody ever heard of 'Guttu wonkai' eitherharharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
P.S: It is Gutti Vankaya
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nee talakaya...it's Guttu wonkai.confuzzled dude wrote:Nobody ever heard of 'Guttu wonkai' eitherharharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
P.S: It is Gutti Vankaya
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what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam.harharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
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kinnera wrote:what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam.harharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.FluteHolder wrote:Rangam=Arangam=stage.
Pravesam=Eatram=enter into/initial performance?
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
That's wrong. My sources tell me it's Arangetram and sources include Shobha Naidu. SHOBHA NAIDU. You people are just a bunch of googlejocks pretending to be patrons of fine arts. Anybody who was anybody was at that Arangetram. Nobody went to a Rangpravesh.
Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
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You are right:harharmahadev wrote:That's wrong. My sources tell me it's Arangetram and sources include Shobha Naidu. SHOBHA NAIDU. You people are just a bunch of googlejocks pretending to be patrons of fine arts. Anybody who was anybody was at that Arangetram. Nobody went to a Rangpravesh.kinnera wrote:what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam.harharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arangetram
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Either it is Gutti Vankaya or Guttonkaya. Anyway, I do know that Arangetram and Rangapravesam are used interchangeably but it doesn't mean that is correct. Not sure they think "Arangetram" gives them special status like attending English medium school. BTW, arugu in telugu means stage or raised platform though never used for stage in formal language, and stop quoting Sobha Naidu, she is not the only source of Kuchipudi. She probably was being polite not to make a big deal of it.harharmahadev wrote:nee talakaya...it's Guttu wonkai.confuzzled dude wrote:Nobody ever heard of 'Guttu wonkai' eitherharharmahadev wrote:Quit wasting time....it's Arangetram. Nobody ever heard of rangapravesh/pravesam.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:arangEtram (to ascend the stage) is a tamil word to describe the debut performance of a bharathanattiyam (BN) dancer. kuchipudi is of telugu origin i think and has its own aesthetic values and associated jargon. my sense is that CD is correct. rangapravEsam sounds more telugu (and more sanskritic) and probably the more apt analogous term. you are needlessly rude.harharmahadev wrote:Yeah. You type potato and I type potato. It's the same.
edited to add: however, given that BN has become the default representative of indian classical dance in the US and elsewhere, i suspect its jargon is also starting to usurp those of other dance forms. just my guess.
P.S: It is Gutti Vankaya
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i also want to go to a desi function where the food is to die for. when is impy doing her next dance? i am so gonna gate crash there.
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he's actually maligning shoba naidu by pretending to act as if she told him that it needs to be arangerram and not rangapravesam.confuzzled dude wrote:Either it is Gutti Vankaya or Guttonkaya. Anyway, I do know that Arangetram and Rangapravesam are used interchangeably but it doesn't mean that is correct. Not sure they think "Arangetram" gives them special status like attending English medium school. BTW, arugu in telugu means stage or raised platform though never used for stage in formal language, and stop quoting Sobha Naidu, she is not the only source of Kuchipudi. She probably was being polite not to make a big deal of it.
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providing dinner after arangetrams and rangapravesams is a new trend.Vidya Bagchi wrote:i also want to go to a desi function where the food is to die for. when is impy doing her next dance? i am so gonna gate crash there.
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face it harharmahadev -- you went there for the food. that you got into a tangle over terminology is just annoying for you.
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oh ok. so chacnes are real tamils won't give food in their shows. bummer.kinnera wrote:providing dinner after arangetrams and rangapravesams is a new trend.Vidya Bagchi wrote:i also want to go to a desi function where the food is to die for. when is impy doing her next dance? i am so gonna gate crash there.
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Yes, they need the audience, and with no dinner, no audience. The parents want resounding claps after every item performed by their angel, so they would feel good about all those rides over all those years, putting up with the annoying whimsicalities of the dance teacher, putting up with loud mouthed and uncompromising parents of other girls in the dance class, and getting over the jelousies of the teacher treating some other "klutzy girls" as special.kinnera wrote:providing dinner after arangetrams and rangapravesams is a new trend.Vidya Bagchi wrote:i also want to go to a desi function where the food is to die for. when is impy doing her next dance? i am so gonna gate crash there.
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You are right about that...these people are arguing even after I mentioned Shoba Naidu.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:face it harharmahadev -- you went there for the food. that you got into a tangle over terminology is just annoying for you.
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Wha??? She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Did you? huh?... wrote:stop quoting Sobha Naidu, she is not the only source of Kuchipudi.
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If she says Arangetram, it is arangetram.
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"Padmasri" Shobha Naidu and Kuchipudi "Rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Wha??? She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Did you? huh?... wrote:stop quoting Sobha Naidu, she is not the only source of Kuchipudi.
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If she says Arangetram, it is arangetram.
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Who is the jackass talking in the background? It is insulting to the speaker.indophile wrote:"Padmasri" Shobha Naidu and Kuchipudi "Rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Wha??? She won a Padmashri for Kuchipudi. Did you? huh?... wrote:stop quoting Sobha Naidu, she is not the only source of Kuchipudi.
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If she says Arangetram, it is arangetram.
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Bringing up this discussion to refresh Kinnera's memory about my encounter with Shoba Naidu.
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OMG, so many mistakes in this thread, collectively.
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wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
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michelle2 wrote:wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
It is still wrong.
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harharmahadev wrote:michelle2 wrote:wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
It is still wrong.
Nee talakai! Vee is right.
Also, I want to refresh your memory about what i said in this thread before:
"what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam." - the great kinnera
Ya, ya i do remember that you saw Shobha Naidu (i love her!) at an arangetram and considers yourself an expert in Kuchipudi henceforth.
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Kinnera wrote:harharmahadev wrote:michelle2 wrote:wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
It is still wrong.
Nee talakai! Vee is right.
Also, I want to refresh your memory about what i said in this thread before:
"what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam." - the great kinnera
Ya, ya i do remember that you saw Shobha Naidu (i love her!) at an arangetram and considers yourself an expert in Kuchipudi henceforth.
Okay! I'm going to try and explain this to you one last time. If you don't get it now, then I won't be upset, I'll just feel a bit sorry for you. So listen carefully .... there is no such thing as rangpravesh. It's a made-up word. I never heard of it and neither has Shoba Naidu.
*Z-snap*
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. Eluka tholu thechi ennallu uthikina nalupe gani thelupu kaadu. sighOrama!harharmahadev wrote:Kinnera wrote:harharmahadev wrote:michelle2 wrote:wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
It is still wrong.
Nee talakai! Vee is right.
Also, I want to refresh your memory about what i said in this thread before:
"what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam." - the great kinnera
Ya, ya i do remember that you saw Shobha Naidu (i love her!) at an arangetram and considers yourself an expert in Kuchipudi henceforth.
Okay! I'm going to try and explain this to you one last time. If you don't get it now, then I won't be upset, I'll just feel a bit sorry for you. So listen carefully .... there is no such thing as rangpravesh. It's a made-up word. I never heard of it and neither has Shoba Naidu.
*Z-snap*
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harharmahadev wrote:Kinnera wrote:harharmahadev wrote:michelle2 wrote:wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."harharmahadev wrote:Rangpravesh sounds like a mela or something.
It is still wrong.
Nee talakai! Vee is right.
Also, I want to refresh your memory about what i said in this thread before:
"what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam." - the great kinnera
Ya, ya i do remember that you saw Shobha Naidu (i love her!) at an arangetram and considers yourself an expert in Kuchipudi henceforth.
Okay! I'm going to try and explain this to you one last time. If you don't get it now, then I won't be upset, I'll just feel a bit sorry for you. So listen carefully .... there is no such thing as rangpravesh. It's a made-up word. I never heard of it and neither has Shoba Naidu.
*Z-snap*
just stick to the stock market and stuffing your pie hole with southern indian food at your friends' children's debut dance performances and you'll do just fine. why venture into cultural debates where you come across like an idiot? you wouldn't know BN or kuchipudi if it came and bit you on your ass.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:harharmahadev wrote:Kinnera wrote:harharmahadev wrote:michelle2 wrote:
wonkai-ji, it's neither "arangetram" nor "rangapravesh." it's "rangapravesam."
It is still wrong.
Nee talakai! Vee is right.
Also, I want to refresh your memory about what i said in this thread before:
"what's the logic behind, 'If harharmahadev hasn't heard it, nobody else has'? CD and others are correct. It's usually called 'Rangapravesam' for Kuchipudi. It's not wrong to use Arangetram either because both mean the same. It's more a matter of clarity to use Rangapravesam because it is clear that it's the Kuchipudi dance form that will be performed, not Bharatanatyam." - the great kinnera
Ya, ya i do remember that you saw Shobha Naidu (i love her!) at an arangetram and considers yourself an expert in Kuchipudi henceforth.
Okay! I'm going to try and explain this to you one last time. If you don't get it now, then I won't be upset, I'll just feel a bit sorry for you. So listen carefully .... there is no such thing as rangpravesh. It's a made-up word. I never heard of it and neither has Shoba Naidu.
*Z-snap*
just stick to the stock market and stuffing your pie hole with southern indian food at your friends' children's debut dance performances and you'll do just fine. why venture into cultural debates where you come across like an idiot? you wouldn't know BN or kuchipudi if it came and bit you on your ass.
When you say 'BN or Kuchipudi came and bit you in the ass', are you referring to Shobha Naidu?
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