indian govt splits telugu people

by truthbetold Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:21 pm

Indian govt decided to split ap into two states fulfilling congress cwc orders.
state congress leaders lied at every stage to hoodwink people.
some idiots are talking about ap assembly resolution knowing it has no legal value.Telugu state is dead. killed by non Telugu people to satisfy rahul's future aspirations. sad thing is that andhra congress leaders assisted in this process.
now people of andhra pradesh will find their living standards falling for a decade.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:28 pm

The only thing unites the Andhrans, Telengans, and the Rayalans is Madam Sonia Mata ji.

If Mata ji visits both the states with the Shehzada and the Shehzadi on either side, everything will be settled instantly.

Rename the state as Rahul Desam and rename hyderabad as Soniabad.

by indophile Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:15 pm

It was not just the Congress guys who hoodwinked people. Naidu of TDP, the man who claimed to have two eyes (SA & Telangana), gave it in writing previously that he had no objection to the division, and when division was actually happening tried to masquerade as someone who was opposed to it.

by Guest Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:18 pm

BJP has also always been in division of AP. Also Jagan and Chandrababu Naidu gave in writing that they were ok with the division but later they backtracked.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:54 pm

Rashmun wrote:BJP has also always been in division of AP. Also Jagan and Chandrababu Naidu gave in writing that they were ok with the division but later they backtracked.

So, what will Diggy do to make sure that Telangana people in Hyderabad won't do what happened during the partition? I'm sure, the TRS goons are waiting for the bill to pass before starting their pieceful activity.

by Guest Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:40 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:BJP has also always been in division of AP. Also Jagan and Chandrababu Naidu gave in writing that they were ok with the division but later they backtracked.
So, what will Diggy do to make sure that Telangana people in Hyderabad won't do what happened during the partition? I'm sure, the TRS goons are waiting for the bill to pass before starting their pieceful activity.

The larger picture I am drawing your attention to is the fact that telugus have been let down by their own leaders. When there was talk of dividing present day Uttar Pradesh the one person who opposed the move was Mulayam Singh Yadav. Instead of talking of Telugu unity, Chandrababu Naidu prefers to spend his time abusing Jagan.

by truthbetold Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:38 pm

Adding naidu, jagan , bjp and any other name is ok with me. None of them helped the cause. i have no problem if you want to add even ashok babu .
this split will have impact for decades to come.
Telugu people have to reinvent themselves beyond regional borders. fortunately the co existence of the past 60 years created some bonds that can be source of future mutually beneficial co existence.
whether we like it or not water wars are going to be a bitter reality. hopeful state can avoid violence in hyd before capitals are separated.

by rawemotions Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:41 pm

indophile wrote:It was not just the Congress guys who hoodwinked people. Naidu of TDP, the man who claimed to have two eyes (SA & Telangana), gave it in writing previously that he had no objection to the division, and when division was actually happening tried to masquerade as someone who was opposed to it.

Isn't it also true that Congress (more specifically YSR was ) particularly responsible for resurrecting Telengana agitation to taken on incumbent chief minister Naidu. Until then there were no protests.
Later KCR was backstabbed by Congress after YSR used him and won the elections.

But by then, the movement had been unleashed and even though Congress thought it could control it, it could not, and KCR outsmarted Congress with his public movements.

So Congress and Congress alone should be held responsible for re-opening the bottle and letting out the genie, which was closed sometime in early 1950's.

Infact during NDA regime, when smaller states were formed, Andhra was not touched by NDA, upon Naidu's and local BJP's (BJP was strong in Coastal Andhra then) feedback.

In that sense YSR played the same trick divide the people to get votes. Isn't it ? It is ironical that his son Jagan is usurping the mantle of AP unifier, even though Congress led by re-opened the issue and created the problem in last decade.

Things would have perhaps been different, if there had been a strong Telugu Unifier.

The question is why did't the AP chief ministers until now not take care of Telengana region ?

All parties had to fall in line, when the protests became too broad based.

Karnataka fearing Telengana style movement, has now given special powers to North Karnataka region. Interestingly there also, allegedly, Congress played spoilsport(with ample central government support) in the last few months of BJP's government. BJP wanted the central government's permission to declare special status for North Karnataka. Allegedly, the Congress appointed governor and central government never gave permission, which was given promptly given after new Congress CM took over. Allegedly, Congress has crossed all records in mis-use of power , dividing people to stay in power.

by rawemotions Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:47 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:BJP has also always been in division of AP. Also Jagan and Chandrababu Naidu gave in writing that they were ok with the division but later they backtracked.
So, what will Diggy do to make sure that Telangana people in Hyderabad won't do what happened during the partition? I'm sure, the TRS goons are waiting for the bill to pass before starting their pieceful activity.
The larger picture I am drawing your attention to is the fact that telugus have been let down by their own leaders. When there was talk of dividing present day Uttar Pradesh the one person who opposed the move was Mulayam Singh Yadav. Instead of talking of Telugu unity, Chandrababu Naidu prefers to spend his time abusing Jagan.

UP is a monstrosity that needs to be divided for better development of its people, if it wants to ever get out of BIMARU tag. It is ridiculous to have such a large state governed from one city. In that sense BSP's proposal has merits, though we can debate on whether it should be four or three states.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:46 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:BJP has also always been in division of AP. Also Jagan and Chandrababu Naidu gave in writing that they were ok with the division but later they backtracked.
So, what will Diggy do to make sure that Telangana people in Hyderabad won't do what happened during the partition? I'm sure, the TRS goons are waiting for the bill to pass before starting their pieceful activity.
The larger picture I am drawing your attention to is the fact that telugus have been let down by their own leaders. When there was talk of dividing present day Uttar Pradesh the one person who opposed the move was Mulayam Singh Yadav. Instead of talking of Telugu unity, Chandrababu Naidu prefers to spend his time abusing Jagan.

I agree with you. AP politicians seem to cater to their own selfish interests.

by indophile Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:31 pm

rawemotions wrote:
indophile wrote:It was not just the Congress guys who hoodwinked people. Naidu of TDP, the man who claimed to have two eyes (SA & Telangana), gave it in writing previously that he had no objection to the division, and when division was actually happening tried to masquerade as someone who was opposed to it.
Isn't it also true that Congress (more specifically YSR was ) particularly responsible for resurrecting Telengana agitation to taken on incumbent chief minister Naidu. Until then there were no protests.
Later KCR was backstabbed by Congress after YSR used him and won the elections.

---Telangana agitation/movement is not something that Congress instigated initially. It was there even before 1956, but Burgula Ramakrishna Rao, then the Chief Minister of Hyderabad, sacrificed his own political career to bring the Telugu people together. He faced opposition within his own ranks, but he was determined to combine the two areas come hell or high water. So they worked out a gentlemen's agreement on water, political posts, preserving rights for the mulkis (people native to Telangana), etc. One main gripe is that the gentlemen's agreement was thrown in the dust bin by the "dominant Andhraites." Strong CMs like Sanjeeva Reddy (R), Vengal Rao (T), Chenna Reddy (T), Naidu (R), YSR (R) managed the situation and kept the state together. As you see not a single CM among them was from Andhra; they were either Rayalaseema or Telangana. Also, except Naidu they were all Congressmen. Now with Sonia wanting to make her son the PM of India, and how way Sonia and her advisors see the road to get there, changed the equation, and they pushed for the state division. Only thing wrong down in the state was that the dumb politicians didn't see it coming.

by truthbetold Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:57 pm

Dumb.politicians were not really that dumb. they saw the writing on the wall and were playing games to convince andhra people they were trying to keep the state united. congress leaders could have stopped the process in July august by stalling food act. not a single congress leader was sincere. They talked a lot but could not stand up to sonia . opposition tdp could not get itself out of the congress letter trap. no alternate leadership emerged.
if andhra people voted for congress they will be doomed. if they voted for ySr they will be doomed. tdp did not provide leadership at a crucial juncture. Kiran reddy is not trustworthy. bjp supports t state.
there is a huge vacuum for leadership in ap. if a strong personality can take leadership and give direction, that strong leader can emerge victorious.in coming state and parliament electi ons.

by indophile Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:13 pm

I say dumb because they can't think big and play big. Look at DMK folks from Madras. They don't even belong in Congress but they got 5 cabinet posts and a couple of them almost wiped Indian Treasury clean. And what did 40 AP MPs get - division of their state. These guys may know how to get elected, but the next thing they do is CYA. As for Naidu and other opposition folks they signed off on Telangana, when all they had to do was say they were opposed to the idea. What do they have to lose? The problem was they were already playing pandering politics, not big picture politics.

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