Re: India vs SA

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:45 am

Phewwwwww. Finally a glimmer of hope!

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:45 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Useless Zaki should be dropped for 2nd test. I never understood his recall.

why single him out? yes he has the highest economy rate, but it's not like any of the others have lit the stadium on fire. and he did just fine in the first innings. they're beating us minus morkel. shame.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:53 am

Yesssssss. Why the fuck did dhoni not make shami bowl for 2 hours?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:54 am

another one! just started watching and watched another wkt fall.

by goodcitizn Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:08 am

Just when I thought our bowling needed dentures, it grew a couple of canines. Thank heavens. Hope we eke out a draw.

by southindian Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:31 am

This match is going to be a watershed moment for South Africa.

South African cricket team will finally come out of their 'Chokers' Tag.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:33 am

What a test match!!!

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:33 am

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:What a test match!!!

They got too greedy, Is it too late for India though?

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:39 am

If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

by southindian Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:40 am

2 overs 16 needed.

LOL

Did I speak too soon?

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:41 am

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

Looks like saffies want a draw.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:44 am

16 runs from 6 balls. Steyn taking guard. Omg omg

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:45 am

Shami looks tired, losing pace by over

by southindian Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:47 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

Looks like saffies want a draw.

What a bunch of loser chokers if SA are playing for a draw.

SA chase down 400+ in one dayers and can get 16 runs from 3 overs with 3 wickets remaining?

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:48 am

southindian wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

Looks like saffies want a draw.
What a bunch of loser chokers if SA are playing for a draw.

SA chase down 400+ in one dayers and can get 16 runs from 3 overs with 3 wickets remaining?

Well, Morkel is injured good match neverthless

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:48 am

Sa was not looking for a draw till last over. Philander refused a run for a chance to slog in penultimate.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:49 am

good match.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:50 am

southindian wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

Looks like saffies want a draw.
What a bunch of loser chokers if SA are playing for a draw.

SA chase down 400+ in one dayers and can get 16 runs from 3 overs with 3 wickets remaining?

did you not know the rule differences between test matches and ODIs? they can have all the men on the boundary in test matches, not so in ODIs. difficult to pull it off in test matches.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:53 am

Pat symcox will be a relieved man. Till the end, when five overs were left, his pronouncement was that it would be a tie.

by southindian Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:59 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
southindian wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:If India draws full credit should go shami. Dhoni will be questioned for why he did not bring him earlier.

Looks like saffies want a draw.
What a bunch of loser chokers if SA are playing for a draw.

SA chase down 400+ in one dayers and can get 16 runs from 3 overs with 3 wickets remaining?

did you not know the rule differences between test matches and ODIs? they can have all the men on the boundary in test matches, not so in ODIs. difficult to pull it off in test matches.

16 runs were needed in 3 overs (18 balls), that could have been scored in ones and twos when fielders are back.

I know the rules and also know a bit about innovative batting. They pulled off 420+ runs and completely stopped in the end.

SA were losers in the end. These idiots were defending and playing maiden overs. Chokers.

by southindian Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:02 am

A comment on cricinfo

hmmm: "For me SA has choked ... I wouldnt consider this a draw. India has 'won' a draw and SA has 'lost' a draw. With morkel, phil and steyn in the wings, they should have the license to go all guns blazing in the last 2 overs and if two of them had fallen they cud have always gone to the defensive route."

by nevada Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:52 am

herschelle gibbs ✔ @hershybru
Id rather go down going for a win than draw!! #onecrackathistory #olo

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:56 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Have a strange feeling that SA will pull this one off.

What with Pujara, Kholi, Ishant (can't he shut his mouth until he reaches some 300 wickets?) all talking as if they have already won this test.

As always I am right....SA would have, could have, and should have won. draw by just 8 runs with 3 wkts in hand and 2 overs? Did BCCI instant wire a few millions to the CSA?

I just woke up and saw the cricinfo. My sleeping and not watching is what saved India.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:02 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Have a strange feeling that SA will pull this one off.

What with Pujara, Kholi, Ishant (can't he shut his mouth until he reaches some 300 wickets?) all talking as if they have already won this test.

As always I am right....SA would have, could have, and should have won. draw by just 8 runs with 3 wkts in hand and 2 overs? Did BCCI instant wire a few millions to the CSA?

I just woke up and saw the cricinfo. My sleeping and not watching is what saved India.

Don't go by the numbers alone, they closed the shop after Du Plessis's run out. Morkel is not 100%. They probably would've lost had they went for it, we have seen this movie way too many times before (in test matches). Having said that my conclusion still is "India survived" not "Saffies Choked".

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:06 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Have a strange feeling that SA will pull this one off.

What with Pujara, Kholi, Ishant (can't he shut his mouth until he reaches some 300 wickets?) all talking as if they have already won this test.

As always I am right....SA would have, could have, and should have won. draw by just 8 runs with 3 wkts in hand and 2 overs? Did BCCI instant wire a few millions to the CSA?

I just woke up and saw the cricinfo. My sleeping and not watching is what saved India.

Don't go by the numbers alone, they closed the shop after Du Plessis's run out. Morkel is not 100%. They probably would've lost had they went for it, we have seen this movie way too many times before (in test matches). Having said that my conclusion still is "India survived" not "Saffies Choked".

agree and ishant and shami were bowling their hearts out. they actually bowled well. just a bit of assistance from the pitch and they would have got more. there were plenty of edges. shami is really impressive to watch. nice smooth action and bowls quick. a bit like steyn himself.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:17 pm

why didnt Rohit bowl? Didn't he bowl off spinners in ODIs? Sometimes, Dhoni has the habit of forgetting the existence of some bowlers in the team. With 460 runs in the bag, he should have tried him at 230-250 for 4.

to see that they scored 8 runs in some last 6 overs is total surrender. Looks like Ashwin is just like Turbinator. He could not get wickets on THIS breaking track that kept low?

How I miss Venkat and Prasana...They would have run the team over on this track (or even Kumble).

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote: there were plenty of edges.

saying plenty is understating it. the edges built the runs total that suddenly gave them the idea that they could chase down the target. as dhoni later regretted, he set an attacking field too much and for too long. shami was very impressive. though ishant has improved and is bowling to wicket now, he is not impressive. as arun lal mentioned, he does not hold the seam like shami (ishant holds the fore finger and second finger joint, to hold the ball, instead of slightly apart) and releases the ball at an angle, all of which go to reduce his pace.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:40 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:why didnt Rohit bowl? Didn't he bowl off spinners in ODIs? Sometimes, Dhoni has the habit of forgetting the existence of some bowlers in the team. With 460 runs in the bag, he should have tried him at 230-250 for 4.

to see that they scored 8 runs in some last 6 overs is total surrender. Looks like Ashwin is just like Turbinator. He could not get wickets on THIS breaking track that kept low?

How I miss Venkat and Prasana...They would have run the team over on this track (or even Kumble).

haha @ the word even before kumble! when we have bowlers who allow us to say even kumble, we'll have a really world beating attack. don't think we're there yet.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:45 pm

for all our nostalgia about venkat and pras how many times have they actually run through the opposition in away tests?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:50 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:why didnt Rohit bowl? Didn't he bowl off spinners in ODIs? Sometimes, Dhoni has the habit of forgetting the existence of some bowlers in the team. With 460 runs in the bag, he should have tried him at 230-250 for 4.

to see that they scored 8 runs in some last 6 overs is total surrender. Looks like Ashwin is just like Turbinator. He could not get wickets on THIS breaking track that kept low?

How I miss Venkat and Prasana...They would have run the team over on this track (or even Kumble).

haha @ the word even before kumble! when we have bowlers who allow us to say even kumble, we'll have a really world beating attack. don't think we're there yet.

Here I was comparing Ashwin with Venkat and Prasanna - who are all off spinners. Kumble is a leg break bowler who bowled 3 to 4 googlies (off spin) an over. Kumble was pacy but Venkat and Prasanna were accurate (but of different style) and looked for that single patch or crack to exploit.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:58 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:for all our nostalgia about venkat and pras how many times have they actually run through the opposition in away tests?

just started looking at pras's record. many of his successes have come against NZ. in australia he has had ONE success in sydney in the late 70s against a weak aussie team with all its star players away playing for packer. let me look at his other successes.

basically his away performance is a nothing record if you take away the weakest opposition of the time, NZ.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:10 pm

only kallis looked dangerous in the middle today (poor guy got out to a bad decision). the rest were happy defending, getting edges and punishing the occasional bad ball. but before you knew it, the scoreboard read 300+ with no loss of wickets after kallis and the game suddenly changed. very lucky guys, the south africans.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:27 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:for all our nostalgia about venkat and pras how many times have they actually run through the opposition in away tests?

just started looking at pras's record. many of his successes have come against NZ. in australia he has had ONE success in sydney in the late 70s against a weak aussie team with all its star players away playing for packer. let me look at his other successes.

basically his away performance is a nothing record if you take away the weakest opposition of the time, NZ.

Different times and not fair to compare but till:

"those" spinners had 150 to 200 runs to defend most of the times. except for 3 or 4 great fielders, the rest were fat duds. They had no pace bowler support from the other end, which adds pressure to the batsmen. finally, i was talking about the "breakthroughs." They may not have run through a side man times, but whenever there was a bowling change there was "anticipation" and they did take 6, 7 , 8wickets with the < 200 runs had to bowl with.

certainly ashwin not taking a wicket on this breaking track on a final day is indeed a disgrace to Indian spin - what with 450 runs on board and a much better fielding side. And, we are not even talking about viv richards, Kanhai, kallicharan, chappells, walters, Gooch and Turners here.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:44 pm

MOM virat kohli. this guy talked like a mature player at the awards ceremony. him and pujara, he confessed, for the time they were at crease, kept just asking each other if they were in the line of the ball while defending -- that was their only conversation. terrific test temperament kohli has displayed (that pujara already has in abundance).

no body notices the absence of srt, dravid, laxman, ganguly. but everybody notices the absence of kapil dev, still.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:53 pm

not kapil, but kumble. he's the guy india will miss the most for a long long time.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:10 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:not kapil, but kumble. he's the guy india will miss the most for a long long time.

yes, you are right. he was very succesful abroad.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:43 pm

First amla. Then a draw. Bcci has too much power.
Assuming this game is really played on the grounds India deserves praise for salvaging a draw out of near certain loss.

What a test. Both sides struggled against odds and proved their critics wrong.

Over all grading:
du plissis, de villers., kohli and pujara. Get an A for technique and temperment.
given conditions sa bowlers came down a bit and Indian bowlers went up a notch. However 4th inning performance of Zak and ashwini is below expectations. Irrespective of the number of wickets, sammi is going to be great for Indian cricket. His personal story is also great.
Philander did alright for sa.
Greame., Alvin, rahane, vijay made positive contributions.
shikar dhawan and rohit sharma. Still flat track bullies.

by Guest Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:47 pm

truthbetold wrote:First amla. Then a draw. Bcci has too much power.
Assuming this game is really played on the grounds India deserves praise for salvaging a draw out of near certain loss.

What a test. Both sides struggled against odds and proved their critics wrong.

Over all grading:
du plissis, de villers., kohli and pujara. Get an A for technique and temperment.
given conditions sa bowlers came down a bit and Indian bowlers went up a notch. However 4th inning performance of Zak and ashwini is below expectations. Irrespective of the number of wickets, sammi is going to be great for Indian cricket. His personal story is also great.
Philander did alright for sa.
Greame., Alvin, rahane, vijay made positive contributions.
shikar dhawan and rohit sharma. Still flat track bullies.

rahane deserved to be mom for his splendid (and match changing) runouts.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:13 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Different times and not fair to compare but till:

it is also not fair to refer to them nostalgically to bash the current crop of bowlers when their own record when judged more objectively is not that great. i'm guilty of it myself too. chandra's is probably better than most. doshi had his moments too. i have to look at it more carefully which i plan to do during the break. they were good for the era and were the best we had. we had to make do with them because realistically until kapil showed up there were no options. what else were we going to do? and with the limitations they had, they did reasonably well. it is my sense that if you take away kapil and kumble our bowling attack has always been weak. those were our only two consistent matchwinning bowlers. we are a nation of batting legends and worshippers. we always have to scrape and make do with what we have for bowlers barring flashes of brilliance now and then. we have never had a period when we've had fast bowlers coming out of our ears like pakistan had at one time and for all our tall tales about spin, the actual record besides kumble isn't all that impressive.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:30 pm

Brigadier HK (Retd) wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:not kapil, but kumble. he's the guy india will miss the most for a long long time.
yes, you are right. he was very succesful abroad.

I don't think their bowling records are much different abroad. If anything Kumble looked average abroad when compared to his home record.

Coming to now, if not for that self-destructing Sreesanth, our bowling would've been in a better shape.

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