Yejaman is not a Tamil word

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Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i provided alternatives. however, IMO we should not be so quick to dismiss words we currently think as being sanskritic in origin for two reasons:

(a) words thought to be sanskritic in origin could very well have had dravidian origins. they may well be words that went from proto dravidian into sanskrit. the sanskrit as the mother of all indian languages crowd has managed to brainwash us that anything that has a cognate in sanskrit has originated in sanksrit. bhadriraju krishnamurthy and other linguists have discussed migration of words from proto dravidian into sanskrit.

(b) i think it is silly to delete words that have been already absorbed in the language. i am however not averse to using a non-sanskritic alternative when one is readily available.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i provided alternatives. however, IMO we should not be so quick to dismiss words we currently think as being sanskritic in origin for two reasons:

(a) words thought to be sanskritic in origin could very well have had dravidian origins. they may well be words that went from proto dravidian into sanskrit. the sanskrit as the mother of all indian languages crowd has managed to brainwash us that anything that has a cognate in sanskrit has originated in sanksrit. bhadriraju krishnamurthy and other linguists have discussed migration of words from proto dravidian into sanskrit.

(b) i think it is silly to delete words that have been already absorbed in the language. i am however not averse to using a non-sanskritic alternative when one is readily available.

When in doubt, look at the word etymologically.

The roots of the word ‘yejaman’ (a variation of ‘yajaman’…  meaning a person sponsoring Vedic ritual / worship) is in the Sanskrit word ‘yajna’ (Vedic rite / sacrifice, as also implied specifically in the title ‘Yajur-veda’, i.e. Veda related to sacrifices or holy offerings)

indophile wrote:

Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

pravalika nanda wrote:

indophile wrote:

Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

yepravalika nanda wrote:

indophile wrote:

Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Kinnera wrote:

yepravalika nanda wrote:

indophile wrote:

Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Actually, its origins are in telugu. Sanskrit borrowed it from telugu and all the other languages borrowed it from Sanskrit.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

yepravalika nanda wrote:

indophile wrote:

Kinnera wrote:We use it in telugu too. It's yejamani in telugu.

In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Actually, its origins are in telugu. Sanskrit borrowed it from telugu and all the other languages borrowed it from Sanskrit.

that could also be true.

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

yepravalika nanda wrote:

indophile wrote:
In Kannada too, it's ejamana(ru) - husband, boss, owner/protector, leader of the household, etc.

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Actually, its origins are in telugu. Sanskrit borrowed it from telugu and all the other languages borrowed it from Sanskrit.

that could also be true.

it IS true!

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

yepravalika nanda wrote:

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Actually, its origins are in telugu. Sanskrit borrowed it from telugu and all the other languages borrowed it from Sanskrit.

that could also be true.

it IS true!

it is certainly not inconsistent with my own thoughts about the mutual relationship of sanskrit with dravidian languages, but i think if we are talking about absolute proof we need a bit more than assertion. i am not saying you are wrong, but i am saying we don't know.

here is another question for people interested in word origins. suppose you create a new word in a dravidian language made of two words whose roots are sanskritic, through compounding or some other linguistic process. should the word origin be assigned to sanskrit or the dravidian language in which it took birth?

Kinnera wrote:

Sanskrit of course because the two separate words of the compound word have their origins in Sanskrit.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

Sanskrit of course because the two separate words of the compound word have their origins in Sanskrit.

at what point do you say a word originated in the language in which it was used in the full form? after all sanskrit also had a parent.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i provided alternatives. however, IMO we should not be so quick to dismiss words we currently think as being sanskritic in origin for two reasons:

(a) words thought to be sanskritic in origin could very well have had dravidian origins. they may well be words that went from proto dravidian into sanskrit. the sanskrit as the mother of all indian languages crowd has managed to brainwash us that anything that has a cognate in sanskrit has originated in sanksrit. bhadriraju krishnamurthy and other linguists have discussed migration of words from proto dravidian into sanskrit.

(b) i think it is silly to delete words that have been already absorbed in the language. i am however not averse to using a non-sanskritic alternative when one is readily available.

When in doubt, look at the word etymologically.

The roots of the word ‘yejaman’ (a variation of ‘yajaman’…  meaning a person sponsoring Vedic ritual / worship) is in the Sanskrit word ‘yajna’ (Vedic rite / sacrifice, as also implied specifically in the title ‘Yajur-veda’, i.e. Veda related to sacrifices or holy offerings)

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

yepravalika nanda wrote:

this sounds like "hegemon." possibly it is derived  from yejaman. they mean the same thing and sound alike.

Actually, its origins are in telugu. Sanskrit borrowed it from telugu and all the other languages borrowed it from Sanskrit.

that could also be true.

it IS true!

it is certainly not inconsistent with my own thoughts about the mutual relationship of sanskrit with dravidian languages, but i think if we are talking about absolute proof we need a bit more than assertion. i am not saying you are wrong, but i am saying we don't know.

here is another question for people interested in word origins. suppose you create a new word in a dravidian language made of two words whose roots are sanskritic, through compounding or some other linguistic process. should the word origin be assigned to sanskrit or the dravidian language in which it took birth?