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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:52 pm

Rashmun Whats your thoughtzs on Valluvan?

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:05 pm

are u referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valluvar or to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruvalluvar

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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:11 pm

I asked for your personal views. Not wikipedia.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:37 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:I asked for your personal views. Not wikipedia.

i know that. my question to you is: Which Valluvan?

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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:43 pm

If you have toi ask "which valluvan", it means you don;t know about him.

Thanks for the reply.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:47 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:If you have toi ask "which valluvan", it means you don;t know about him.

Thanks for the reply.

looks like you are confused yourself and jumping from here to there. you need to be clear about whether u wish to know more about Thiru Valluvar or the Valluvar community. Btw, the correct spelling is no doubt Valluvar and not Valluvan (although Valluvan is used occasionally instead but it is an uncommon way to spell the word).

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:If you have toi ask "which valluvan", it means you don;t know about him.

Thanks for the reply.

looks like you are confused yourself and jumping from here to there. you need to be clear about whether u wish to know more about Thiru Valluvar or the Valluvar community. Btw, the correct spelling is no doubt Valluvar and not Valluvan (although Valluvan is used occasionally instead but it is an uncommon way to spell the word).

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. in formal tamil the 'ar' ending is respectful, but when writing affectionately and in a personal way about an author or an artiste one admires, the 'an' ending is used. normally this is considered less respectful than 'ar', but when used formally this implies a personalizing of one's own relationship with the subject author or artiste.

to cite bharathi whom you incessantly and often half-bakedly quote,

"vaLLuvan thannai ulaginukkE tandhu vAnpugazh koNDa tamizh nADu",  meaning the land that achieved sky high pride by giving vaLLuvan to the world.

one also refers to the poet kambar often as kamban.
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:If you have toi ask "which valluvan", it means you don;t know about him.

Thanks for the reply.

looks like you are confused yourself and jumping from here to there. you need to be clear about whether u wish to know more about Thiru Valluvar or the Valluvar community. Btw, the correct spelling is no doubt Valluvar and not Valluvan (although Valluvan is used occasionally instead but it is an uncommon way to spell the word).

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. in formal tamil the 'ar' ending is respectful, but when writing affectionately and in a personal way about an author or an artiste one admires, the 'an' ending is used. normally this is considered less respectful than 'ar', but when used formally this implies a personalizing of one's own relationship with the subject author or artiste.

to cite bharathi whom you incessantly and often half-bakedly quote,

"vaLLuvan tannai ulaginukkE tandu vAnpugazh koNDa tamizh nADu",  meaning the land that achieved sky high pride by giving vaLLuvan to the world.

all right, fine, but KV still needs to clarify whether she wants my opinion on Thiru Valluvar or the Valluvar community.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:57 pm

Indian Government Ignores Tamil Poet Thiruvalluvar
(Statue in Kanyakumari, Tamil Nadu)
Thanjai Nalankilli
TAMIL TRIBUNE, April 2013 (ID. 2013-04-01)
www.tamiltribune.com 
(Alternate spellings: Thiruv
alluvar - Tiruvalluvar, Thirukural - Tirukural)

Indian Government Tourism Ministry announced on July 2, 2003 that Mamallapuram, Kancheepuram and Kanyakumari (in Tamil Nadu State, India) would be developed as "hubs of culture, tourism and clean civic life". People of Tamil Nadu were elated that these three places, which were already tourist attractions with funding from the state government, would get a fillip now from the Indian government. 

When details of how the Indian Government Tourism Ministry would promote Kanyakumari as a tourist attraction came out, the sweet taste of Indian government involvement turned sour in some people's mouth. Indian government would develop the Vivekananda Rock Memorial and put a "sound and light show" with emphasis revolving around "Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi" (The Hindu; July 3, 2003). Since Gandhi's name is mentioned here, we assumed that the Gandhi Memorial (Gandhi Mandapam) in Kanyakumari would also get some mention in the sound and light show. There is no mention of the monumental 133-feet Thiruvalluvar statue erected on the tiny island adjacent to Vivekananda Rock. Thiru Valluvar (or Valluvan) is one of the greatest poets in the world. His book of Tamil verses (couplets) "Thirukural" (or Thiru Kural) was written about 2000 years ago and has been translated into many languages around the world. It gained the respect of many great scholars and philosophers from around the world. The great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy said that he had taken the concept of non-violence from a German translation of Thiru Kural. India's Mahatma Gandhi said of Kural: "A textbook of indispensable authority on moral life. The maxims of Valluvar have touched my soul. There is none who has given such a treasure of wisdom like him." Dr. Albert Schwaitzer said: "There hardly exists in the literature of the world a collection of maxims in which we find so much of wisdom." Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature says: ""Sacred Couplets (that is Thirukural) is considered a masterpiece of human thought, compared in India and abroad to the Bible, John Milton's Paradise Lost, and the works of Plato."

In short, Thiru Valluvar is just no ordinary Tamil poet, he was one of the greatest poets in the world. Yet this poet would not find any significant place in Indian Government's tourism agenda. Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi --great men that they are-- are in no way superior to Thiruvalluvar and their philosophies are no better than that of Thiruvalluvar's Thirukural. Indian Government Tourism Department should bring to the attention of Indian and foreign tourists local history, personalities and culture too. Indian Government seems to be determined to promote Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi (none of them from Tamilnadu) but ignore the Tamil poet Thiruvalluvan who is by no means a lightweight compared to Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi.

Indian government hiding the great personalities
of Tamil Nadu from Indian and foreign tourists is not new. It refused to install a statue of one of the greatest kings of South Asia, the Tamil king Raja Raja Cholan, within the compound of the over one-thousand years old Thanjai Big Temple (that he built); we are not asking for the installation of the statue inside the temple but only within the temple compound where tourists would see it [Reference 1].
 
There is a pattern of Indian Government ignoring or "hiding" Tamil history and culture in its projects while highlighting the culture and history of Hindi region. Indian government projects Indian history as the north-Hindi regional history in its history books, and projects the north-Hindi regional culture as Indian culture wherever it can. A summary of some of these activities may be found in Reference 2.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:57 pm

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"vaLLuvan thannai ulaginukkE tandhu vAnpugazh koNDa tamizh nADu",  meaning the land that achieved sky high pride fame by giving vaLLuvan to the world.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:59 pm

for the record, i am not a big fan of the thirukkuRaL. too preachy and prescriptive for me although it has its enjoyable parts. there is much about tamil literature that i adore, but the thirukkuRaL is not one of them. most tamils will probably spit on me for saying that, but it's my opinion and i am sticking to it.
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:01 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
Indian Government Ignores Tamil Poet Thiruvalluvar
(Statue in Kanyakumari, Tamil Nadu)
Thanjai Nalankilli
TAMIL TRIBUNE, April 2013 (ID. 2013-04-01)
www.tamiltribune.com 
(Alternate spellings: Thiruv
alluvar - Tiruvalluvar, Thirukural - Tirukural)

Indian Government Tourism Ministry announced on July 2, 2003 that Mamallapuram, Kancheepuram and Kanyakumari (in Tamil Nadu State, India) would be developed as "hubs of culture, tourism and clean civic life". People of Tamil Nadu were elated that these three places, which were already tourist attractions with funding from the state government, would get a fillip now from the Indian government. 

When details of how the Indian Government Tourism Ministry would promote Kanyakumari as a tourist attraction came out, the sweet taste of Indian government involvement turned sour in some people's mouth. Indian government would develop the Vivekananda Rock Memorial and put a "sound and light show" with emphasis revolving around "Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi" (The Hindu; July 3, 2003). Since Gandhi's name is mentioned here, we assumed that the Gandhi Memorial (Gandhi Mandapam) in Kanyakumari would also get some mention in the sound and light show. There is no mention of the monumental 133-feet Thiruvalluvar statue erected on the tiny island adjacent to Vivekananda Rock. Thiru Valluvar (or Valluvan) is one of the greatest poets in the world. His book of Tamil verses (couplets) "Thirukural" (or Thiru Kural) was written about 2000 years ago and has been translated into many languages around the world. It gained the respect of many great scholars and philosophers from around the world. The great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy said that he had taken the concept of non-violence from a German translation of Thiru Kural. India's Mahatma Gandhi said of Kural: "A textbook of indispensable authority on moral life. The maxims of Valluvar have touched my soul. There is none who has given such a treasure of wisdom like him." Dr. Albert Schwaitzer said: "There hardly exists in the literature of the world a collection of maxims in which we find so much of wisdom." Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature says: ""Sacred Couplets (that is Thirukural) is considered a masterpiece of human thought, compared in India and abroad to the Bible, John Milton's Paradise Lost, and the works of Plato."

In short, Thiru Valluvar is just no ordinary Tamil poet, he was one of the greatest poets in the world. Yet this poet would not find any significant place in Indian Government's tourism agenda. Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi --great men that they are-- are in no way superior to Thiruvalluvar and their philosophies are no better than that of Thiruvalluvar's Thirukural. Indian Government Tourism Department should bring to the attention of Indian and foreign tourists local history, personalities and culture too. Indian Government seems to be determined to promote Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi (none of them from Tamilnadu) but ignore the Tamil poet Thiruvalluvan who is by no means a lightweight compared to Vivekananda, Sankara and Gandhi.

Indian government hiding the great personalities
of Tamil Nadu from Indian and foreign tourists is not new. It refused to install a statue of one of the greatest kings of South Asia, the Tamil king Raja Raja Cholan, within the compound of the over one-thousand years old Thanjai Big Temple (that he built); we are not asking for the installation of the statue inside the temple but only within the temple compound where tourists would see it [Reference 1].
 
There is a pattern of Indian Government ignoring or "hiding" Tamil history and culture in its projects while highlighting the culture and history of Hindi region. Indian government projects Indian history as the north-Hindi regional history in its history books, and projects the north-Hindi regional culture as Indian culture wherever it can. A summary of some of these activities may be found in Reference 2.
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MaxEntropy_Man, a connoisseur of tamil poetry, has written in the past that Valluvar's poetry is fairly pedestrian when compared to the poetry of Kamban or Subramanya Bharati.

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