BJP continues its game of spreading insecurity, hatred and fear: Not a single ticket to a Muslim for UP's 80 Lok Sabha seat despite Muslims comprising 17% of the electorate

http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/no-muslims-in-bjp-s-list-of-candidates-for-uttar-pradesh-500546

Rashmun wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/no-muslims-in-bjp-s-list-of-candidates-for-uttar-pradesh-500546

But wait....17% muslim electorate must be in 1951.... isn't it?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/no-muslims-in-bjp-s-list-of-candidates-for-uttar-pradesh-500546

But wait....17% muslim electorate must be in 1951.... isn't it?

Stick to the topic. The topic is: why is BJP spreading hatred, fear and insecurity in Uttar Pradesh? In their hunger for power will BJP ensure that the country breaks apart or goes through a prolonged period of civil strife?

Rashmun wrote:Stick to the topic. The topic is: why is BJP spreading hatred, fear and insecurity in Uttar Pradesh? In their hunger for power will BJP ensure that the country breaks apart or goes through a prolonged period of civil strife?

For someone who hates an opposing view point vehemently the world will always be of hatred, fear and ... It is the muslims that have been consistently avoiding BJP for decades now resulting in extremely few of the community leaders in the ranks of the party. So how can they find enough candidates to put them up in the election? Besides, if they pick a few leaders outside of party affiliations there is no guarantee that they'll not switch sides once elected thus depriving Modi/BJP of the thin majority that will be their best case. If you can think objectively you'll find the rational reasons but that is too much to expect from one with hate blinds on.

smArtha wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Stick to the topic. The topic is: why is BJP spreading hatred, fear and insecurity in Uttar Pradesh? In their hunger for power will BJP ensure that the country breaks apart or goes through a prolonged period of civil strife?

For someone who hates an opposing view point vehemently the world will always be of hatred, fear and ... It is the muslims that have been consistently avoiding BJP for decades now resulting in extremely few of the community leaders in the ranks of the party. So how can they find enough candidates to put them up in the election? Besides, if they pick a few leaders outside of party affiliations there is no guarantee that they'll not switch sides once elected thus depriving Modi/BJP of the thin majority that will be their best case. If you can think objectively you'll find the rational reasons but that is too much to expect from one with hate blinds on.

BJP could have given a ticket to Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi who is from UP and a BJP spokesperson for many years. ( Some say people like Naqvi are 'showboys'.) When you are not giving a single ticket to any Muslim in UP when Muslim population in the state is 17% what message are you sending? Are you not attempting to create a mischievous and dangerous Hindu-Muslim divide?

Rashmun wrote:

smArtha wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Stick to the topic. The topic is: why is BJP spreading hatred, fear and insecurity in Uttar Pradesh? In their hunger for power will BJP ensure that the country breaks apart or goes through a prolonged period of civil strife?

For someone who hates an opposing view point vehemently the world will always be of hatred, fear and ... It is the muslims that have been consistently avoiding BJP for decades now resulting in extremely few of the community leaders in the ranks of the party. So how can they find enough candidates to put them up in the election? Besides, if they pick a few leaders outside of party affiliations there is no guarantee that they'll not switch sides once elected thus depriving Modi/BJP of the thin majority that will be their best case. If you can think objectively you'll find the rational reasons but that is too much to expect from one with hate blinds on.

BJP could have given a ticket to Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi who is from UP and a BJP spokesperson for many years. ( Some say people like Naqvi are 'showboys'.) When you are not giving a single ticket to any Muslim in UP when Muslim population in the state is 17% what message are you sending? Are you not attempting to create a mischievous and dangerous Hindu-Muslim divide?

>>>They should give the ticket to Naqvi guy to run in a district where there are hardly any Muslims.

Rashmun wrote:BJP could have given a ticket to Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi who is from UP and a BJP spokesperson for many years. ( Some say people like Naqvi are 'showboys'.) When you are not giving a single ticket to any Muslim in UP when Muslim population in the state is 17% what message are you sending? Are you not attempting to create a mischievous and dangerous  Hindu-Muslim divide?

Afaik, Naqvi is already a member of Rajya Sabha. He was also a minister in the NDA givt. The rest of your response is the repeat of your prior rant. So the same response as before is good enough. 

If minorities stop expecting 'special' privileges and appeasement then they'll be able to better participate in the whole gamut of political spectrum. If they want to be treated as 'vote banks' then BJP is better off without them.

Rashmun wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/no-muslims-in-bjp-s-list-of-candidates-for-uttar-pradesh-500546

Can you show me any law/guidelines that stipulates the number of Muslim candidates that a party must nominate in an election?

I thought you were secular and didn't favor one religion or the other?

smArtha wrote:

Rashmun wrote:Stick to the topic. The topic is: why is BJP spreading hatred, fear and insecurity in Uttar Pradesh? In their hunger for power will BJP ensure that the country breaks apart or goes through a prolonged period of civil strife?

For someone who hates an opposing view point vehemently the world will always be of hatred, fear and ... It is the muslims that have been consistently avoiding BJP for decades now resulting in extremely few of the community leaders in the ranks of the party. So how can they find enough candidates to put them up in the election? Besides, if they pick a few leaders outside of party affiliations there is no guarantee that they'll not switch sides once elected thus depriving Modi/BJP of the thin majority that will be their best case. If you can think objectively you'll find the rational reasons but that is too much to expect from one with hate blinds on.

Can this logic be applied to MIM as well, for lack of Hindu representation?

confuzzled dude wrote:Can this logic be applied to MIM as well, for lack of Hindu representation?

MIM wants to represent only Muslims and fight for special rights/privileges of Muslims and not equal rights as with other communities. BJP never asked for special treatment of Hindus. It just wants privileged treatment based on religion to end which the Congress and Left for 6 decades and other regional parties for about 3 decades were championing. Minority protection is not same as minority appeasement or privileges. 

Muslims avoiding BJP is like kids avoiding a Teacher who is not pampering him and treating him on par with others. Hindus avoiding MIM is like kids avoiding a Teacher who always pampers a few and not treat all equally.

smArtha wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Can this logic be applied to MIM as well, for lack of Hindu representation?

MIM wants to represent only Muslims and fight for special rights/privileges of Muslims and not equal rights as with other communities. BJP never asked for special treatment of Hindus. It just wants privileged treatment based on religion to end which the Congress and Left for 6 decades and other regional parties for about 3 decades were championing. Minority protection is not same as minority appeasement or privileges. 

Muslims avoiding BJP is like kids avoiding a Teacher who is not pampering him and treating him on par with others. Hindus avoiding MIM is like kids avoiding a Teacher who always pampers a few and not treat all equally.

Unlike other political parties, the BJP runs an online book shop, which offers a variety of books espousing its viewpoint at attractive discount prices.  As far as I have been able to determine, this is a first in India.  There is the caveat that the Irish political party Sinn Fein has an online bookshop, and the Croydon branch of the British Labour Party has signed up to be a member of the Amazon Affiliate Programme, allowing it to collect 15% of the cut on books sold through its site).

The party seems to know how to offer an attractive bargain.  The most expensive item in the store, a three volume work by Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee is on offer at a huge 25% discount (Rs 1500/- marked down from Rs 2000/-).  But this storehouse of knowledge tells more about the BJP than just its business sense.

That Bible of the RSS, the "Bunch of Thoughts" by "Guruji" M.S. Golwalkar, the second Sar Sanghachalak (supreme leader) of the RSS, is on sale (though not at a discount).  Funnily enough, though, Golwalkar's 1939 work, "We, or Our Nationhood Defined", is missing.

Both "Bunch of Thoughts" and "We" are infamous for their racist views. In "Bunch of Thoughts", the Sar Sanghachalak expounds on his opinion that Muslims and Christians are unpatriotic and lack "love and devotion for the nation".  His hatred ranges farther afield.  He describes the Chinese people in these terms: "They eat rats, pigs, dogs, serpents, cockroaches, and everything.  Such men cannot be expected to have human qualities."

The missing "We" is particularly juicy: in it the author lavishes praise on the atrocious Nazi campaign that had gone on in Germany, for most of the 1930s, against Jews and Gypsies.  "There are only two courses open to these foreign elements," Golwalkar explained, "either to merge themselves in the national race and adopt its culture or to live at its mercy so long as the national race may allow them to do so and quit the country at the sweet will of the national race".  He added that this was "a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by".

The absence of "We" calls to mind a Rajya Sabha debate of last year, at the time of the Gujarat government's decision to allow government servants to be members of the RSS.  Kapil Sibal tried to read out a study quoting from "We", and was repeatedly heckled and shouted down by BJP members.  These worthies decided that since Sibal was not reading directly from "We", but rather from a book which quoted "We", he was not quoting authentic RSS sources.  "He is misleading the nation!" shouted the fervid BJP member T.N. Chaturvedi.

Perhaps "We" is missing to prevent anyone reading directly from it in Parliament, and thereby doing away with that silly objection...

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